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just for correction and iphone can download thru safari and iphones can so all those things and like I mentioned only downfall is not having a full pc like browser but thats coming soon being microsoft is working with apple to put silverlight in iphones safari, as far as taking the battery out thats nver been sumtin anyone should care about lol and if we talk hardware besides the screen resolution is the inly thing tp2 has over iphone, other then the rest iphone wins period, the wifi chip, gps chip, bt chip are a thousand times better then that of any htc device, and who needs more storage if u get 32gb worth of space lol, iphone has an ARM Cortex A8 600 MHz CPU, and 256 of ram, side by side iphones are wayyyy quicker, but like I said and as the post above says, wm is an acquired taste and is unique in alot of way, i love both in different ways but to be honest I rely on the iphone more b/c of what it can do.TP2 is more for texting and little laptop feel lol

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love my tp2 but wm sucks!
i hope htc puts android on it and kick out WM!

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Same story with me, Cbreze.

My first real WM phone was the ppc6700, which I HATED. It turned me off to WM for years. Looking back, I only hated it cause of WM5(which was just awful) & the fact that it was unfamiliar territory, the phone itself I loved. I stuck with Treos for another 2 or so years after that, until I finally had done all I could do with them & got bored. I bought a Mogul off Craigslist, and I felt like Homer when he entered the Land of Chocolate. WM6 was great, and within a week I was flashing roms & wondering where that Mogul had been all my life. Hell, I STILL love the Mogul, that was my favorite phone ever. I want another one. My ex destroyed the poor thing, much like my soul & my self-respect, but I digress. I have a Diamond that I'm willing to trade for a Mogul, hint hint :) Anyway, I love WinMo's flexibility, and the fact that I'm still discovering things even after almost 2 years.

And jeez guys, chill out. No name calling. You can have a debate without acting like kindergarteners. Fighting like that will only lead you to a ban.

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lmao @ "much like my soul & my self-respect". I agree though mogul was a nice phone, i missed mine after dumping it for the higher resolution touch pro, hindsight is 20/20.


afterthought , id rather have a battery i cant remove than one i have to remove everyday because phone is locked up.

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Why do people post these pointless threads? I mean I'm not being mean or anything but come on.....! This forum is about hacking your ppc and all the sweet stuff it can do and these people make these pointless threads about how WM suck and yada yada yada...Why would they come to ppcgeeks and post this? Why don't they go to the iphone or blackberry forum and post it there? Sorry I'm just venting but come on it's annoying!

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LMAO you're funny

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B/c its PPC talk, it is a ppc or should I say HTC site but tech talk and debating about tech stuff is fun, in a way its good for us, lets me know how dedicated ppl are to their devices and aswell makes me love my devices more

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lol..

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Discussion, pointing out likes and dislikes are the only way things get better in the long run. It's a healthy discussion with a lot of people who support both sides. I've got a Hero and TP2 and agree with the OP, but I just hope WM takes some ideas from apple and droid personally to make a superior OS, even though I doubt it happens... hehe. Who knows

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Well my entire 2 pennies are this, I have 2 Iphones, Touch Pro, Palm Pre and Blackberry. While I love the phones individually I always come back to the WM phone I just purchased the touch Pro2 and I love it. I think the ability to customize the phones and the ability to add programs like we can with these phones are unparraled in the mobile market. I can see winmobile 7 being a revelutionary OS that will take the market by storm. (when that storm hits is debatable). But I still come back to the W/M and I guess I drank the Kool-Aid. Well 2 pennies time is up.........

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Already is superior as anything that can be done with a phone, can be done with a windows phone. They had a big head start from the original PDA market. They've not made any great strides in improving the product, but others are still playing catch up on actual capabilities. Others may be more "popular" in the fad scenes, and may also drive market innovation, but the phones that businesses buy thousands of and hand out are either blackberry or windows. From an IT perspective, blackberry is a pain, not to mention expensive companywide implementation in comparison. If RIM doesn't address it, it will be Blackberry that fails and for no other reason than server side functionality. For the large companies and IT staff, Windows phones are just another PC to tend to, where everything is familiar.

iphone and android may well develop into a true professional mobile computing device one day, but the day is nowhere near.

Those that think Windows phones suck are apparently seeking a gameboy/phone rather than a PC/phone.

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^ Thats another aspect that I forgot to mention- the business aspect. Businesses look at 2 OSes when they need mobile deployment, Blackberry & WinMo. iPhone & Android do not even get considered. As far as the professional world is concerned, they're just fancy toys. Will that change? Possibly, but not anytime soon.

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I think that in this case windows mobile is a lot like linux ubuntu in many respects. It has a cult like following and yet, in terms of popularity, it just isn't there.

We die hards understand how well windows mobile can do, how customizable it is, and having the ability to run android (seriously) is a great asset

But because its windows and people mimic each others arguments heard without understanding them, it is widely assumed windows mobile sucks because it is microsoft, you support the antitrust and the antichrist and so so...it makes me go wtf are you guys drinking

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Yeah, it's ALL you. I'm sure if you learn how to use it, it'll work for you. LOL

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yea no

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL2hfmaMJzY

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Yea p-slim is a moron. I don't think he finished high school.

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http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/e...he-job-market/
your vid is 08...this one is in june...
and a lot more accurate imho and name calling to boot...i mean cant we keep this thread civil

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They don't offer management tools for android or iphone. Plain and simple, until they do, they will no gain widespread acceptance in the business world. Not to say certain businesses won't have a particular need better served by a particular iphone or android phone application. But for an all in one general business communications tool, blackberry and windows have the market cornered due to their variety of business apps and IT administration tools. No discussion can change that fact.

Each device has their merits and downfalls. Each user has their own uses. It is up to the educated consumer to decide which is right for them. If they buy a device and have a bad experience, "this doesn't work" or "the competition can do ....", they whine and complain claiming the device or service is the fault rather than accepting the responsibility of not properly researching their purchase (and generally being a moron). Things such as the OP of this thread are all part of the greater failing mental state of todays population, complain and blame rather than educate, innovate, and overcome.

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I'll chime in. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong.

1. To the op, do whatever works for you PERIOD!

2. I have an iPod Touch and the TP2. It is a love/hate relationship with WM. I have used the 6600, 6700, 6800 (Mogul. Kabuk1.. I agree this was an awesome phone), the 6900 (Vogue), the TP1, and now the TP2. To those that didn't know, you CAN jailbreak the iPod Touch just like the iPhone. I can practically do everything on the iTouch that I can on the TP2 except for make calls. There are countless Remote Desktop apps to connect to your pc (I use Logmein Ignition) on the iTouch. You CAN download through the Safari browser. There are quite a few ways to play flash through the iTouch, you would just have to take out the time to find out how... xsellize website would be a start.

I LOVE WM. When the mogul first came out I ran WM5 on it and it was BLAZIN. Never seen a device run so fast. 6.0 was not as fast but was better. Neither device is what it can or should be unless you unlock it. WM is crippled by neglect and by third party software TRYING to help (but ultimately hurting).

I have unlocked every WM phone I have owned to make it USABLE. At the same time I had to unlock the iTouch to make it USABLE. They both excel over the other depending on what you need/want it to do.

THERE IS NO WRONG ANSWER. THERE ARE WRONG PEOPLE TRYING TO PRODUCE THE RIGHT ANSWER.

I plan on getting the iPhone. I don't dislike WM but I think it may be a better fit for me. I plan to keep my TP2 at the same time. What works for me may not work for you and vice versa. That should be ok.

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What exactly is the real world benefit of an unlocked TP2, are there functions that cannot be performed with a locked one? I've not found a reason to unlock and flash mine yet. Everything is perfectly usable. Some tweaks are preferred, but no unlocking is needed to alter them. Everything works great with simple cab installs or registry edits.

My point is that out of the box as the manufacturer's intended them, winmo is a better, more configurable and more feature rich OS that comes with all the business adminmistration tools needed for an IT department to handle thousands of them within an enterprise. Blackberry can make the claim of enterprise managability, but cannot make the claim of being as configurable. iphone and android are good standalone devices, but their intended purpose is not the same as a winmo phone.

It is sorta like the kid down the street running a freeware FTP server off a notebook. It works, but not as well as true enterprise class hardware and software.

Same people that try to make such comparisons are the ones that put gofast stripes on their hondas and wanna race every mustang or firebird they pull up beside. Trying to hype something into something it's not is the effort of a fool.

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agreed.

Wm is not complicated either, if you are atleast knowledgeable on regular pc windows you understand how windows mobile works as well (registry, windows folder, drivers etc). Its not that its complicated it just doesnt run very well IMO. It needs a major OS overhaul and optimizations. Its still using the same framework that was sluggish back in 05 with minor changes every other year (give or take). But thats not the only problem, the biggest problem is lack of good hardware backing it, htc and others really need to stop playing and start rolling out more devices like hd2, but even so an iphone is only running a 6XX mhz proccessor and boast some of the best graphic capabilities Ive seen on a mobile, and smoothly too.


I cant wait for WM7 because its minimum hardware requirements are very high and should lead too some nice devices being released.


All of this is simply MY OPINION based on MY NEEDS. Keep in mind Im not a business user so the business aspect of devices has no bearing on my opinion. 1st and foremost I want a great phone with secondary concerns being internet, entertainment, and gps. So like its been said numerous times in this thread it all depend on the user


ps. i really wish that there was a NATIVE weather panel built by MS for titanium >:/

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ummm I guess u dont know about business much but iphone was the highest selling phone for business this year lol use GOOGLE!

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I agree 100%

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Ummm, on what planet?

I could not find anything on GOOGLE to support this claim. Show me where you found this information, otherwise I call BS. I can believe that the iPhone is probably the highest selling phone in general, but the highest seller for business use? Nah.

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I cant even explain how annoying it is reading posts about people dogging Winmo when they have winmo and a tp2. If you guys like android so Much get the damn thing... Everybody seems to be sucking androids wang but yet still has a tp2 with windows and their dogging it... Isnt that kinda like a oxy moron????I Dont get it? if I hated winmo I sure as shit wouldnt have winmo,, What gives ya wierdos????

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^ Win.

I don't get why people keep something they hate, no matter what it is. The common argument for it is "I can't afford the ETF!" Uh, if you can afford a phone that's $350 even with a new contract, you can afford an ETF if you hate the damn thing THAT much. Hell, sell it & use the profits to pay the ETF & get your Droid or iPhone or whatever. I honestly think some people just love to bitch.

I don't get the Android fascination either. OMG, screen widgets! Yawn. I've played with it & while it's nice, I was really underwhelmed. Same with iPhone. I walked away thinking "Wow, it's pretty... but is that all?"

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Girl who's name I do not know, SORRY but Android is pretty cool. MUCH better than the iPhone!

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because there is no hardware running android even comparable to tp2 yet (besides the droid but who the hell wants verizon? lol no offense). believe you me if there was an identical tp2 with android on it I'd be on that instead, i need my screen real estate and resolution :)

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You have full controll of your phone! If you arent happy do reg edits or rewrite apps and programs to do what you want when u want, slim it down. This is a computer with a phone app. Not a phone with a computer app. Windows can scream if u want it too. 6.5 is still fresh too. If u need help or advice ask, thats what ppcg is about. Every OS for every phone is under constant development. Your opinions and desires are major!!! Thank you for expressing these issues as I agree they need to be adressed.

I also have a Hero and it doesnt seem much faster to me and it is bare. Start loading apps and multi tasking, im sure it bogs down too.

Palms are sexy but limit your control, my opinion dont do it.

Maybe try the 6.1 Blackout rom for a min first? Still beta though, but all these roms kinda are!

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Yeah this all makes no sense to me. Why do you have the phone then? Why are you on the forums for it?

I'm calling for a vote to move this thread to the Android forums, since it really makes no sense being here.

Plus, if you bought the phone, then realized you didn't like it, maybe you shouldn't just go out and buy things impulsively like that. DO THE RESEARCH.

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I vote to close this thread. It has run it's course. The op made his point and so has everyone else. Let's all agree to disagree. The clear winner is the phone carriers. They don't care which platform you use. You're still using their service and paying them every month. To them all of them are good/bad.

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Individuals have purchased iphones in hopes of using them for business, under the belief they could do work with it. Read the horror stories in the many forums set up for them. They struggle massivly on the business end.

Very few businesses purchased iphones or androids for use by their employees. The ones that did purchase iphones, was almost always due to one particular application needed for their line of business that happens to work better on iphone or android.

Most folk would say they got it for business so they don't look childish buying an overpriced toy anyway.

Talk to the IT administrators for any larger (250+ employee) company, most companies buy blackberry for their employees, the rest buy winmo. The admin may have an iphone or android, but that's cause they're geeks and the iphone/android arena is where all the development and testing action is at for the moment while their popularity is so high.

And to the troll that said they don't use their winmo phone for business; wth ya doin buyin a business phone for?!? Classic case of uninformed consumer, and in todays age of info accessable from a few keypresses,, translates to pure and simple laziness.

Wake up people, shop, search, and research. Buy a device made for the functions you need and/or want. Check out user forums for common issues related to what you need it to do. Make your decision based on what you need, not what the current fad is. Is individual thought really that far gone in the general population of the current generation?

None of it sucks, not iphone, not android, not winmo (err guess they're calling it winpho now), and not blackberry. They just all have their target segment, and trying to cross segments with an individual device is difficult at best and in some cases, fully futile. If people researched real world capabilities and intended uses, they wouldn't be so frustrated and there would be allot fewer wasted bytes on threads such as this.

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Because I'm a tech person and and want technologically advanced phone. I was blessed with the tp2 after TP1 touchscreen died it's not a choice i made. And when i bought my tp1 there was no android phone on Sprint. It was either windows mobile, wackberry, or the crazy outdated palm OS of that time. My options on my carrier were slim to none and at the time a Wm phone was the best option for my tastes (big screen, customizable, multitask).

Funny thing is i never bashed Wm. I simply stated what everybody knows, it needs help(all mobile OS do in some form or another) in the form of major update (which is on the way). Then i simply corrected somebody misinforming what an iphone could and couldnt do. Im not biased in any way, i see it how it is

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Your right it does.

but mainly because of all the crap that carriers add to it.

flash a new rom and itl get alot better. as far as using it i like to add the spb software. but ru right, windows mobile isent really that intuitive, but it is more capable than other os's

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I agree. I don't need dumbed-down devices so I can hear the latest stupid ass song out there easier. I don't need to bump my phone to send a contact to my friend (although the technology does exist for WinMo), because I'm not stupid and can figure out how to do it without help.

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just my 2 cents if you all dont mind... i am not a pro user, but the 6900 is pretty close....
WinMO is not the most functional for a power user. i use my phone for everything and to have a lag issue is seriously frustrating. 3 months ago i got the balls to flash to 6.5 in an effort to get outside the lag issue, there are good days and bad days. i am waiting for an android flash rom to come out.
once again IMO WinMO is only popular because the name... Microsoft, by default people trust it- dont know why, but they do- being a former WinCE user, WinMO is a small step in the right direction. personally, my phone is the only microsoft product in my house. apple aced the market moving to unix, lynux is super solid for android. getting everything to HTC in a workable rom is a bit of a task. ever since winXPsp2 my respect for microsoft products has steadily grown weaker.

thanks for reading

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oh... haha. could NOT agree more!! i'm almost to the point of learning how to cook roms because every rom i try doesn't cut it, and i'd really hate to plug any more time into this phone. Ugh.

Agreed. Keyboard=+++ OS=SUCK.

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was it really worth bumping a 16month old thread just for a childish rant? sorry that WM was just too much for u.

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don't u have a wp7 device why are u worried about what another says seriously knock it off didn't u get banned for the samething ur doing now ..