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Sim-X 12-23-2009 10:47 AM

Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Ever since I have been using 6.5 I'm really starting to dislike wm. It just feels like something that should be simple is always hard. I don't really have any major issues but the OS just feels slow, laggy and just blaaaa.

Just a few examples to name a few:
I don't want my phone to turn on when a new txt comes in. Can't find a fix

I installed pocketshield on my phone to help keep the screen locked. It works well but seems to really bog the phone down.

If I am texting too quickly and try to send out while a txt is coming in I get pop ups for the sms send fail and that slows down the phone. Why can't it just wait till the incoming message is in and try again?

The ap store sucks

The phone is just laaaaggy and slow - it's like my DirecTV box.

6.1 seemed to run a lot better than 6.5 did at least in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with the phone, it just is slow.

I am thinking about maybe dumping my grandfather sero plan so I can get a pre or something.

I really do like the phone itself just the os sucks. I have a new ipod 3rd gen and granted it's not a phone but it has the same "guts" as the 3gs. Everything I do on that thing is FAST. Aps open up very quickly, it's VERY smooth, it doesn't freeze, the web browser crushes opera mobile. I would never get at&t and you can't customize the iphone as much as a wm phone.

Yes I know if I don't like it I can get a new phone but like I said I do like the phone itself, love the keyboard but the OS just blows.

Is it just me or does anyone else feel the same way?

strra 12-23-2009 10:50 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
to sum up everything you said into a simple answer: meh. i'm happy.

Biggzz 12-23-2009 10:52 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
It's just you...

lallen3 12-23-2009 11:02 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sim-X (Post 1433164)
Ever since I have been using 6.5 I'm really starting to dislike wm. It just feels like something that should be simple is always hard. I don't really have any major issues but the OS just feels slow, laggy and just blaaaa.

Just a few examples to name a few:
I don't want my phone to turn on when a new txt comes in. Can't find a fix

I installed pocketshield on my phone to help keep the screen locked. It works well but seems to really bog the phone down.

If I am texting too quickly and try to send out while a txt is coming in I get pop ups for the sms send fail and that slows down the phone. Why can't it just wait till the incoming message is in and try again?

The ap store sucks

The phone is just laaaaggy and slow - it's like my DirecTV box.

6.1 seemed to run a lot better than 6.5 did at least in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with the phone, it just is slow.

I am thinking about maybe dumping my grandfather sero plan so I can get a pre or something.

I really do like the phone itself just the os sucks. I have a new ipod 3rd gen and granted it's not a phone but it has the same "guts" as the 3gs. Everything I do on that thing is FAST. Aps open up very quickly, it's VERY smooth, it doesn't freeze, the web browser crushes opera mobile. I would never get at&t and you can't customize the iphone as much as a wm phone.

Yes I know if I don't like it I can get a new phone but like I said I do like the phone itself, love the keyboard but the OS just blows.

Is it just me or does anyone else feel the same way?


First of all, you're not on an official Windows 6.5 Sprint ROM, so I'd say before judging the phone based on a flashed ROM, get the official upgrade when it's released. Home brew ROMs will never top a stock ROM, because they lack the testing of a real release.

brownhornet 12-23-2009 11:06 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggzz (Post 1433169)
It's just you...

No its not.. compared to other devices WM IS slow as hell

Flash_C4 12-23-2009 11:11 AM

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It's not you. You make a lot of valid points and it is very frustrating when Microsoft dropped the ball with their mobile platform the way they have. When they did this kind of things in the desktop market with such great things as Windows ME and Vista they still didn't take much of a hit because of the huge market saturation that they have. The mobile market is very different because it is still emerging unlike the PC OS market. If there were other players (Apple doesn't count because they have never wanted to play the game the way others do) in the OS market 20+ years ago that would have been able to get the upper hand on Microsoft in the way that other mobile platforms have done (Apple with the iPhone, Google with Android, Blackberry, Symbian etc) then Microsoft probably wouldn't be sitting at the top of the pile like they are now. The mobile market is very different because of the speed in which technology is advancing and the fact that the mobile market has just really started to explode in the past couple of years and I believe 2010 is going to be the year that we see it really take off. With all that being said I think that Microsoft is trying to play catch up due to some lack of foresight and some arrogance and it shows with their mobile platform. It might be ok for the casual user but for someone who relies heavily on their phone for more than just email and the Internet I get frustrated when I am trying to do a simple task like connecting into my corporate network to reset a password for someone and my phone wants to act like it's soaked in gravy. Great hardware that HTC is coming out with and I'm glad other platforms are taking advantage of it. Let's hope that Microsoft also gets on board in 2010 with Mobile 7.

TreyBeno 12-23-2009 11:20 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
i say just go get a Jitterbug. Seriously though what do you expect. Windows mobile is the only OS that is doing true multitasking. if our phones had simplistic UI,didnt have all the options available in menus, and lack the ability to customize then of course it would be zippier. Its just basic physics. Our phones do more and take more resources. Also i have to agree that custom ROMs will never be as zippy as a stock because its been tested and tuned for the general public. Once a good stock ROM hits people like Mighty mike do wonders with them. Its like youre complaining that you got a million dollars all in one dollar bills and hate counting them. Its a million dollars! Go with the flow or sacrifice what you want. I dont get all this "lag". hell even a desktop doesnt just snap to it like that when having a bunch of programs running. Real talk

lallen3 12-23-2009 11:25 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TreyBeno (Post 1433226)
i say just go get a Jitterbug. Seriously though what do you expect. Windows mobile is the only OS that is doing true multitasking. if our phones had simplistic UI,didnt have all the options available in menus, and lack the ability to customize then of course it would be zippier. Its just basic physics. Our phones do more and take more resources. Also i have to agree that custom ROMs will never be as zippy as a stock because its been tested and tuned for the general public. Once a good stock ROM hits people like Mighty mike do wonders with them. Its like youre complaining that you got a million dollars all in one dollar bills and hate counting them. Its a million dollars! Go with the flow or sacrifice what you want. I dont get all this "lag". hell even a desktop doesnt just snap to it like that when having a bunch of programs running. Real talk

I agree with this.

cohowap 12-23-2009 11:28 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
It's a few of you, but definatly not me lol.

Have you ever ran another OS for a while? Maybe it's just your getting bored with WM, but the fact is, WM is still light years ahead of Android or iPhone OS. Yea WM isn't so "Finger Friendly", but trust me when I say this, WM will do alot more and is 100x more flexible than any other OS.

Is it slow? No, what is slow is all the garbage on it. Just like running an iPhone with 1000 apps on it (wait, you can only run 1 at a time, sorry bad example), Android with a few apps, your gonna see lag.

If your just sick of the WM feel, go install MM 6.5.3 impact or something, gives a different perspective of WM and a new look.

Or, you can go install Android now, and mess with it, then really realize WM is better (tho, Android still early phase of port).

IMO, Microsoft just getting bashed cause thats the "in" thing to do. Windows Mobile is still a damn solid product, and if Microsoft actually tried to push it like Google did Android or Apple iPhone, there'd be alot less people thinking it was crap.

Sim-X 12-23-2009 11:33 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TreyBeno (Post 1433226)
i say just go get a Jitterbug. Seriously though what do you expect. Windows mobile is the only OS that is doing true multitasking. if our phones had simplistic UI,didnt have all the options available in menus, and lack the ability to customize then of course it would be zippier. Its just basic physics. Our phones do more and take more resources. Also i have to agree that custom ROMs will never be as zippy as a stock because its been tested and tuned for the general public. Once a good stock ROM hits people like Mighty mike do wonders with them. Its like youre complaining that you got a million dollars all in one dollar bills and hate counting them. Its a million dollars! Go with the flow or sacrifice what you want. I dont get all this "lag". hell even a desktop doesnt just snap to it like that when having a bunch of programs running. Real talk

At least it would be faster than WM :laughing3: I just might

Phen0m 12-23-2009 11:38 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
It's not an apples to apples(pun lol) comparison.. i wouldn't say Windows sucks, more so i'd say that the iPhone hardware is leaps and bounds better than anything readily available today. We're hamstrung by the fact that no vendors wants to develop WinMo on an advanced platform(before the HD2).

If the iPhone ran on a Qualcomm MSM7200 the Apple community would be just as despondent as ours.

jaworthen 12-23-2009 11:47 AM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Not certain if you have ever tried a Pre, but you ought to before you make your decision. I have and found it laggy, and that is well-documented on various web sites as well (recent updates helped but have not fully eliminated the problem). Also, as to those who say the stock ROM is faster or of higher quality due to testing: how could Sprint release a ROM which reverted back to the home screen during every call? Obviously their testing was not fully conducted with real users using phones in real-life situations. One of my coworkers complained to me about his stock ROM (we have several hundred sprint phones where I work, so we know the carrier and the WinMo platform). I moved him to a custom ROM and he has never complained since. Try a custom ROM tweaked in the way that HTC and Sprint could have tweaked theirs (MalROM), and you will find the speed to be much, much faster thatn the stock ROM. Everyone has an opinion on these things; these are mine based on experience. I do feel frustration that Microsoft just doesn't "get it" when it comes to mobile platforms, but all things considered, the core of WinMo is not the problem - it's the lack of a friendly user interface. This is changing; hopefully it will be fast enough to keep too many users from jumping ship.

otterit 12-23-2009 12:03 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaworthen (Post 1433271)
...how could Sprint release a ROM which reverted back to the home screen during every call? .

I believe I started the first thread about this issue and I am normally one of the first people to bash a company for not doing proper QA testing, but this "bug" could have been missed by almost anyone. It is impossible for a QA team to simulate EVERY possible working situation for the phone.

My guess are the folks at Sprint never tested the phone against the ear with screen lock enabled. Is it annoying the screen reverts back to the home page? Yes. Is it a deal breaker? No.

The TP2 is still the most business ready phone on the market.

p-slim 12-23-2009 12:21 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
the op of this thread is retarted. he created another thread about stuff we already know. we know inmo is slow with opening programs but you get a phone that can do everything. we can easily create a thread with whats wrong with the iphone and that list will get extremely long, as a matter of fact there are multiple threads in this forum alone that proves this. the op is just looking for a fight and you guys all got baited in. this is just going to turn into another iphone vs tp2 thread.

Noir 12-23-2009 12:41 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
I'll tell you something. I've tried all of the mobile oses (from bbos to mac osx for iphone, pam pre webos and android both being ported on wm and on an actual device)

that being said windows mobile still wins a lot. Now I do get bored with customization granted, but all of them do. none are nearly as polished as windows mobile nor the development either.

I'll keep it short and simple and say the grass is not always greener on the other side

rorytmeadows 12-23-2009 12:44 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Ugh, just leave. What is the point of complaining about a phone in the phone's forum? Go and get another phone and be happy with something else. There is no point in talking about it here.

Also, Windows Mobile is truly the only real mini version of a computer. And just like a computer, they can be slow to respond at times, etc etc. Some of the problems you describe aren't Windows Mobile but may actually be the programs and ROM you have installed.

Sim-X 12-23-2009 12:57 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by p-slim (Post 1433334)
the op of this thread is retarted. he created another thread about stuff we already know. we know inmo is slow with opening programs but you get a phone that can do everything. we can easily create a thread with whats wrong with the iphone and that list will get extremely long, as a matter of fact there are multiple threads in this forum alone that proves this. the op is just looking for a fight and you guys all got baited in. this is just going to turn into another iphone vs tp2 thread.

I just wanted some opinions, I'm not promoting the iphone I just think it's fast. I suggest you go back to fourth grade and take a spelling test. If your gonna insult something, you might wanna run a spell check before posting.

p-slim 12-23-2009 01:04 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sim-X (Post 1433403)
I just wanted some opinions, I'm not promoting the iphone I just think it's fast. I suggest you go back to fourth grade and take a spelling test. If your gonna insult something, you might wanna run a spell check before posting.

if you just wanted opinions then do a search thats what its there for. what you thought this was going to be the 1st time someone compared the iphone to the tp2? or is your question somehow different even though its the same question. if i cant spell at least i can complete a simple search

Mutiny32 12-23-2009 01:20 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Well, yes and no to the original question. First the no part:

Windows Mobile was just about the best mobile OS out there for a very long time. Their advantage in being on the mobile scene precedes the smartphone. They designed it to compete with the Palm Pilot and did very well because of the natural relationship with desktop Windows. They also got the PC makers behind them to design, build, and market devices based on PPC/Windows Mobile.
Then along came the idea of putting a cellular radio into these devices. So they modified it to be able to handle cellular connections and calls. At the same time, they were tacking WiFi stacks onto the OS as well. This was still back when WiFi was still a novelty and the implentation was still a mess.
Then came high-speed cellular. Another tack-on. Then innovation in CPU, graphics, UI design, competition, rotating desktops, multitouch, and finally, Open Source. Of course, through all of this, the OS was just repeatedly modified to be able to handle all of this. They have proverbially been "polishing a turd" since WinCE2003/5.0. They have done a surprisingly well job of at least keeping their head above the water. It started out as the best thing out there, but similarly to Palm, they didn't innovate or do a major redesign; putting them in a big hole.

The yes:

Yes, it does suck. Now. Because of negligence, they have put Windows Mobile in a big hole. It is extremely inefficient, a jungle of code, outmoded models, a base UI that is bad, drivers that really suck, layers of interfaces stacked on more layers of interfaces, and third-party UIs that stack on top of their own UI. They have updated some of the core components in 6.5x, but the base problem exists; an ancient core platform. I would compare it to GM putting a L05 TBI engine in a 2010 Z06.Then the UI is a LSx squeezed into a Fiero with a Ferrari body kit.

Windows Phone 7 may solve some of these problems with a whole new codebase, but they are still going to have to be more open, both with their APIs and their OS itself to be able to compete with the likes of Android, Maemo, WebOS, and Symbian.

orlandojumpoff 12-23-2009 01:21 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
i think you're just realizing you're not a WinMo guy. We, on the other hand, probably know a thing or two more than you about customizing and tweaking that make our phones just a bit better than yours :)

Good luck with the pre, that fad seemed to have died quickly...

Daikazetatsu 12-23-2009 01:53 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
I dont think its really WM's problem. Look at how speedy the HD2 is. Really its the fault of these hardware developers pushing out phones that cant really handle the platform which makes WM look bad. Now if Microsoft itself made a phone with WM on it and it was slow/buggy then maybe you could say that WinMo sucks

QMeli907 12-23-2009 02:10 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
I have come across this same thought. I as well have a iPod touch 3rd gen and see the differences. Love my TP2...hate WM. It's just a trade off. Parents have the Droid, which I like, but can't stand the tiny keyboard. If TP2 had a different OS, it would be unstoppable. Just my 2 cents..

rorytmeadows 12-23-2009 02:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by orlandojumpoff (Post 1433481)
Good luck with the pre, that fad seemed to have died quickly...

haha, they still make that?

bkrodgers 12-23-2009 02:58 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
I actually think it's very fair to say that WinMo, as delivered from MS, and considered as a consumer end product, sucks. If it weren't for HTC's improvements and, more importantly, the community here and at XDA, I would have jumped ship long ago. With that said, you have to credit MS for having a base OS that's extensible enough that people have been able to do so much with it.

That said, as much as I love everyone here and at XDA, it shouldn't be necessary. If MS is going to recover, they need to focus on a positive out of the box experience. HTC's filled in a lot of gaps towards that, but it leaves the market more fragmented than if MS did it right themselves.

Steeler_D1 12-23-2009 03:04 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
WM at it's core hasn't change in years. Microsoft has been relying on the likes of hardware manufacturer's to put layers on top of the base OS. WM was ahead of it's time back in the day but other OS's have had the time to catch up and bring some decent competition to the table. I have has many phones in my time, iPhone, BB, and the Pre "BB is out dated as well". Don't just bring a little finger friendly love to the party and think thats going to make the difference. I just think it's time for Microsoft to bring something innovative that will blow others away like they did in the past.

rorytmeadows 12-23-2009 03:50 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Why I like the stylus:

1. I don't have to flip through TONS of options if everything is smaller and I can click things with pin-point accuracy.

2. I buy WinMo for the fact that it's like a mini PC. Without a stylus, it's like a PC without a mouse. You might say that's just fine when you have a touchscreen PC, but if I had one of those, I'd definitely have a mouse, too.

3. Without one, you wouldn't have: handwriting recognition, drawing capabilities, the ability to play certain games.

4. Touchscreen capabilities only take you so far. If you wanted to just check your mail, check your messages, and type. You'd be fine without a stylus or with a touchscreen PC. But if you want to actually DO SOMETHING with it, you need more accurate tools.

So why did I bring up the stylus at all? It's because it's a representation of WinMo. Detail. Windows has ALWAYS been paying attention to detail. There's not just one setting that changes the entire taskbar, but 15 files associated with the taskbar, one for each element. Uncompromised detail allows for uncompromised customizability. And we're not just talking about the way you want it to look, but the way you want it to act. Microsoft devices have always been designed as technological masterpieces so that they can be used for everything requiring a computer. Think about anything that requires a computer or a chip to run. It can be replaced by a PC. Computer for your car's engine. Can be done on a PC and could so many years ago when you were still playing Oregon Trail on your Apple 2es. It's always been Microsoft's model and they brought it to WinMo when they came out with that. You're not going to see that go away. Microsoft would never make a device and restrict registries and code like Apple does. They don't target their audience to shaggy-headed, black rimmed glasses, tight jeans and a red shirt that says I'm gay for Apple on it. They try to fit in everyone.

They may have fell behind with WinMo, but their model hasn't changed. They won't take out the detail just to sell more phones to idiots without jobs or who are still working in retail or food service at age 30. They will, however, just add more onto their detailed devices to give everyone what they want.

Oxymoron238 12-23-2009 04:10 PM

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OP, I warn you, try custom roms before you try a new OS. From what I've seen , about 99% of the people on these forums who dumped winmo came back to it. Truly, it is the best OS out there.

I'll even take it a step further and tell you which rom I flashed to; try Calkulin's rom. I have the 6.5 version. There's no lag AT ALL, even when I'm running about three apps at once. The memory percentage is always pretty low (80% is the highest I got when I was running Opera Mobile 10 and some other games).

I'm not accusing you of this, but a lot of times we don't give winmo a fair chance simply because it's been out longer than everything else; it's home-base. Well, there's no place like home, my friend. :D

malibu_23 12-23-2009 04:12 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
I don't want my phone to turn on when a new txt comes in. Can't find a fix

WM isnt DESIGNED to do this. If a fix is found, its due to you crippling what WM is designed to do, so it prolly wont be a reliable fix.

I installed pocketshield on my phone to help keep the screen locked. It works well but seems to really bog the phone down.

when you install 3rd party apps to work with your phone, you run the risk of it screwing things up, or slowing it down, its extra stuff you put on the back of WM to process, and some things work better than others

If I am texting too quickly and try to send out while a txt is coming in I get pop ups for the sms send fail and that slows down the phone. Why can't it just wait till the incoming message is in and try again?

Again WM is designed to do this, your phone takes priority of incoming over outgoing, so its gonna make sure it accepts the incoming, as well as ho0ld your outgoing, send it to a drafts folder for later resubmission. It’s not the phones fault, you trying to send when you’re receiving. EVRY phone does this, unless it has code to simultaneously perform both.

The ap store sucks

M$ is new to App stores. Just like Apples App store sucked 3 years ago, and people were like WTF you need a app store for? only got like 10 useless add-ons. Googles sucked and palms sucked, when they 1st started. But they grew and are now great. Of course Apples is the best/largest because its been around the longest! people forget iphones in 3-4generation of SW/HW development.

But M$ SP owners have access to the LARGEST online community of homebrew coders and 3rd party app software companies. you can FIND APPs just not with the convenience of doing it from your phone yet.


The phone is just laaaaggy and slow - it's like my DirecTV box.
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this is partly M$'s fault for using OLD kernel code. its not very up to date, just patched and extra stuff ADDED to the same kernal code. Its been the same since WM CE & WM5.

But also, im sure your not running it BONE STOCK. When u add stuff to the phone, its gonna slow up. you can keep running TOP speed if i keep giving you stuff to carry while you run! LOL simple physics. Its not a super computer, its mobile phone with PC functionality.


6.1 seemed to run a lot better than 6.5 did at least in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with the phone, it just is slow.

6.5 isnt even OFFICIAL yet for our device. were running bits n pieces from other phones. but also, its not REVAMPED SW, it the same WM CE with some new graphics and features added. What you expect?

if i slap, Windows 95 on a new PC built for 64GB Windows 7 Ultimate, its still gonna run crappy, cuz the SW wasnt designed to utilize the HW efficiently. Same with WM6.5.


I am thinking about maybe dumping my grandfather sero plan so I can get a pre or something.

the pre isnt perfect but maybe better for you if your complaining of multitasking speed, lack of an app store quantity, and other nuisances. The Pre, is a iphone jr. Its VERY PRETTY, but lacks the customization and TRUE multitasking of a WM device, but it looks and performs better because it NEWER CODE that designed to work better with Todays HARDWARE.

I really do like the phone itself just the os sucks. I have a new ipod 3rd gen and granted it's not a phone but it has the same "guts" as the 3gs. Everything I do on that thing is FAST. Aps open up very quickly, it's VERY smooth, it doesn't freeze, the web browser crushes opera mobile. I would never get at&t and you can't customize the iphone as much as a wm phone.

the HW of a Iphone 3gs or touch isnt the greatest, but the software is designed to utilize it properly, and it helps that the software only handles 1 major task at a time, so its very snappy.

Yes I know if I don't like it I can get a new phone but like I said I do like the phone itself, love the keyboard but the OS just blows.

LOL, yes the WM OS has MANY short comings, but admit it, you love it cuz it s possible to make it better YOURSELF. As with any1 else you have to wait on a special FIX from the company, or hack it and lose the support of the company.

Steeler_D1 12-23-2009 04:14 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
That's true... I have made a full circle back to WM due to the lack of exchange support with the other OS's.

Sim-X 12-23-2009 04:36 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by malibu_23 (Post 1433766)
I don't want my phone to turn on when a new txt comes in. Can't find a fix

WM isnt DESIGNED to do this. If a fix is found, its due to you crippling what WM is designed to do, so it prolly wont be a reliable fix.

I installed pocketshield on my phone to help keep the screen locked. It works well but seems to really bog the phone down.

when you install 3rd party apps to work with your phone, you run teh risk of it screwing thiongs up, or slowingit down, its extra stuff you put on teh back of WM to process, and ome things work better than others

Don't install 3rd party aps? Come on really?

malibu_23 12-23-2009 04:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sim-X (Post 1433820)
Don't install 3rd party aps? Come on really?

LMAO I dont mean dont install 3rd party apps, my point was to expect some performance changes when you have alot intalled. LOL. believe me, 3rd party apps are wut set WM apart from other OS's.

Noir 12-23-2009 04:50 PM

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Quote:

Don't install 3rd party aps? Come on really?
the poster has a good point. Any third party application runs the risk of using resources less ineffectively.

Also what you guys fail to realize about the panoply of OSes (except for winmo and android) is that they are specifically made for that specific device or what the manufacturer comes out. You won't see HTC have an iphone os or you won't see webos on iphone either. As what the previous poster stated, form fit function.

The big issue with windows mobile is not the OS fully. don't get me wrong the code is jumbled in many places, but the issues with windows mobile is third party efficiency - specifically htc not necessarily utilizing proper 3d drivers and using what it has to full effect. The time and tried tradition of balance isn't working against more powerful handsets. And even the HD2, with a snapdragon processor, is underperformed in comparison to its Acer counterpart.

There is a lot you can blame windows on yes. But you forget there is so much that can be blamed on the OEM manufacturers for also not keeping up with the times to manage less expensive costs.

Secondly, as I have repeatedly stated, IMHO the grass is not greener on the other side at all. I am coming from a samsung i730, xv6600, xv6700 and every htc device verizon had on its current roster as well as trying iphone, bbos (in the tour and the storm, the latter being god awful and just didn't fulfill full customization), the palm pre, and finally android (on the xv6900 and on the g1 phone). All the phones I have used, I go back to windows mobile because there is so much development for htc (as well as samsung) devices, and that's not going to change anytime soon. With other OSes, 80% of any support is fluffy fanboys that don't really help but instigate issues. And that's awfully inefficient.

As for your comment about what's running in the background, a good example of a good iphone chug is when you exit silent hill. It gets so bad I have to reset the iphone and restart it. And that's a bad chug. Or the 3gS screen lag and a few other things...

Once more...the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence. Every phone has every single problem that you mentioned. Even the cradle of android has these problems...and they always will...

newone757 12-23-2009 06:22 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
IMO yes Wm kinda sucks. But there isnt anything out as flexible as it. Sure you could go for another OS with better eyecandy and simpler use but you lose a WORLD of function. Its a love hate relationship for me. Im aboout to jump ship soon though, cause all the extras WM phones can do i dont even use.

I dont watch tv on my phone, dont remote desktop, etc dont do half of the stuff that makes owning WM an advantage.
All i need is a phone,camera, text, email,web browser, little gps, and ability to run some 3rd party soft with a beautiful interface with smooth transitions.nothing more or less. Android is more for me

Tim Smith 12-23-2009 06:57 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Some of you seem like incredibly miserable people. I've been using Windows Mobile since 5.x and have had very very few problems with it. No phone, no operating system has EVER had 100% satisfaction from it's customer base. You can't make everyone happy. At some points you have to sit and think...........maybe it's not Windows Mobile.... maybe it's you.

garage_man 12-23-2009 07:05 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Yes it does suck, but what no one understands it is not microsifts fault. It is HTC and other phone companies because they are the ones makeing the device. They keep adding more features that would be really nice...but they never add anymore power to their phones, so we never get to use it as it was ment to. My 3 year old phone has 400mhz and my shinny tp2 is 528, the even better part is that my old phone is faster. I have benchmarked many,many games, movies and apps. WM would be the single best O.S. out there, only if the phone companys could get their stuff together too. The HD2 is the first step torwad good usability. The problem is that as long as people are using qualcomm we will never get anywhere because they don't have to have drivers for their devices.

kabuk1 12-23-2009 07:27 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1434087)
Some of you seem like incredibly miserable people. I've been using Windows Mobile since 5.x and have had very very few problems with it. No phone, no operating system has EVER had 100% satisfaction from it's customer base. You can't make everyone happy. At some points you have to sit and think...........maybe it's not Windows Mobile.... maybe it's you.

THANK YOU.

This is my opinion as well. I just wonder- if some people hate WM so much, why not just GET SOMETHING ELSE instead of just bitching about it 24/7? It reminds me of the time back in the stone ages when I had a Sidekick. After a couple months the novelty wore off and I realized that, even with a dev key, the damn thing was way too limited. So what did I do? I got something else. The old ETF argument comes to mind, but with Craigslist & eBay & buy/sell/trade forums, you can easily get a new phone without having to spend a fortune. You may hate your phone, but I guarantee someone else would be more than happy to give it a good home so you can get something YOU like.

That said- I hated WM at first too. I didn't understand how it worked, and consequently I had a lot of problems with it. Most people are used to regular phones that you never have to reboot or perform any sort of maintenance on. A WM phone is basically a mini-computer(hence the term 'pocket pc'), and you must treat it as such. I don't think the problem lies solely with WM "sucking", but the fact that rather than figure out what is causing their problems, people just complain & hate the device. This is what separates geeks from proles. Geeks dig deeper, proles give up. Not trying to talk crap about anyone, but it's just the truth. That said, there ARE some improvements that could be made to WM. There's a lot of legacy code that's most likely been there since WM's inception that needs to be rewritten to work better with modern devices. The MAIN problem, like others have said, lies with the fact that there are hundreds of different devices out there & it's impossible for WM to run flawlessly on ALL of them. But I think it's doing pretty damn good, honestly.

OP- sell your phone & get something you like better. Thats the best advice I can give. Don't keep it if you can't stand it.

/Diatribe.

Dragon2 12-23-2009 07:41 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
I love my Tp2, Nothing better out at this Point.. I also love winmo.... Its just you..

I agree with Kabuk1 also and thanks for that... Sell it, Shhhh and go in another forummm.. Good day..

p-slim 12-23-2009 07:52 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1434087)
Some of you seem like incredibly miserable people. I've been using Windows Mobile since 5.x and have had very very few problems with it. No phone, no operating system has EVER had 100% satisfaction from it's customer base. You can't make everyone happy. At some points you have to sit and think...........maybe it's not Windows Mobile.... maybe it's you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kabuk1 (Post 1434125)
THANK YOU.

This is my opinion as well. I just wonder- if some people hate WM so much, why not just GET SOMETHING ELSE instead of just bitching about it 24/7? It reminds me of the time back in the stone ages when I had a Sidekick. After a couple months the novelty wore off and I realized that, even with a dev key, the damn thing was way too limited. So what did I do? I got something else. The old ETF argument comes to mind, but with Craigslist & eBay & buy/sell/trade forums, you can easily get a new phone without having to spend a fortune. You may hate your phone, but I guarantee someone else would be more than happy to give it a good home so you can get something YOU like.

That said- I hated WM at first too. I didn't understand how it worked, and consequently I had a lot of problems with it. Most people are used to regular phones that you never have to reboot or perform any sort of maintenance on. A WM phone is basically a mini-computer(hence the term 'pocket pc'), and you must treat it as such. I don't think the problem lies solely with WM "sucking", but the fact that rather than figure out what is causing their problems, people just complain & hate the device. This is what separates geeks from proles. Geeks dig deeper, proles give up. Not trying to talk crap about anyone, but it's just the truth. That said, there ARE some improvements that could be made to WM. There's a lot of legacy code that's most likely been there since WM's inception that needs to be rewritten to work better with modern devices. The MAIN problem, like others have said, lies with the fact that there are hundreds of different devices out there & it's impossible for WM to run flawlessly on ALL of them. But I think it's doing pretty damn good, honestly.

OP- sell your phone & get something you like better. Thats the best advice I can give. Don't keep it if you can't stand it.

/Diatribe.

+1 agreed

bostonshaker 12-23-2009 09:39 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1434087)
Some of you seem like incredibly miserable people. I've been using Windows Mobile since 5.x and have had very very few problems with it. No phone, no operating system has EVER had 100% satisfaction from it's customer base. You can't make everyone happy. At some points you have to sit and think...........maybe it's not Windows Mobile.... maybe it's you.

I echo this statement. I have tried them all and here I am with WinMo.

WisdomWolfX 12-23-2009 10:09 PM

Re: Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?
 
I feel the need to point out that you compare an OS that has seen many many iterations (before it was even part of phones) and runs on a ton of devices to OS's that have seen fewer than three major revisions and are optimized to suck...errr run...on very specific hardware. Now, when you take that into account along with the numerous posts about how the hardware/drivers in HTC phones are unfortunately lacking you'll understand why we say the issues you have are not those of WM.

I like that you point out that you shouldn't need a lock screen for the text messages, and yet all the other phones have a lock screen as well. I have yet to see anything other than the TP2 unlock itself when light is present though.

If you really want to know why WM is amazing and how customizable it is then you should look into mortscript. You can automate damn near anything with a little elbow grease and an easy script. I'm still learning about it and I've already made my phone into a practical mifi clone since I can automate the starting of an app and various input selections as well as the opposite for closing the app, with a single button press.

The next closest competitor to WinMo is Android due to it's similar range of devices, but it still has a ways to go in order to catch up. There is simply nothing else with as many choices as WM. The choices may not all be in the official marketplace right now, but they are there if you are willing to look for them. Want a different browser? Take a look there are lots of choices from simple lightweight/quick browsers like opera mini to do-it-all browsers like skyfire. Want a different interface? There's choices for that too, TF3D you already know, but there's Titanium, Point UI, Mobile Shell, and more. How about a better alarm clock app that'll run in the background and auto-start (let's see your ipod do that)? SPB Time will take care of you. Wouldn't it be nice if your phone automatically switched to silent and turned off BT while you were at work and turned them back on at the end of your shift? Guess what? Not only is that possible on WinMo, but you have choices there too. You can pick from SPB PhoneSuite, SBSH Phoneweaver or G-Profile. That's all just off the top of my head.

In the famous words of Neo (gotta love a Matrix quote), "It's all about choice."


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