hard spl unlock not working on my replaced phone...

[cmonex]

Originally Posted by ezln0423

yeah i only unlock my phone and wheni tried unlocking my girls phone it didnt let me even tho i used her laptop and network then i sent them an eticket and explain what happen i told them that it was private use and it was my sencond phone their response was that since i already unlock one device i hat to donate.

was it the stupid automatic response Olipro put in? (not an actual response, just you get that text shown somehow when you send a ticket, but of course we reply later manually too.) I told him a few hours ago to change it because it's easily misunderstood, because he didn't put in any expression like "if urgent / optionally"

[ezln0423]

Originally Posted by cmonex

was it the stupid automatic response Olipro put in? (not an actual response, just you get that text shown somehow when you send a ticket, but of course we reply later manually too.) I told him a few hours ago to change it because it's easily misunderstood, because he didn't put in any expression like "if urgent / optionally"

well it was the email that i got back from you guys and that was all it said. i tried looking for the email but i deleted it so i don't have it anymore but im pretty sure is still in your system

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by MinLo

Call HTC or your carrier and see if they will unlock your phone so you can flash whatever rom you would like too put on your TP2.....

HTC and your carrier put work in to make it so you couldn't have that ability, so I'm sure what their response will be.....

Briefly reading you sig link, you should know this!

Trust me, I am well aware of that. Not sure what it has to do with this topic, but yes, I know carriers (pespecioally American CDMA carriers0 liek to keep a tight lock on every device using their network.

Originally Posted by MinLo

HTC didn't put any work into giving you the ability to flash custom roms and Cmonex/Oil did....
The unlocker is their creation made from scratch....

Wrong. Totally wrong. The RUU loading the SPL is clearly made by HTC.
Let me explain how this work so you can make better sense of this...

HTC DID create an SPL and load it onto the phone for us. HTC's SPL runs a certification check to make sure whatever ROM you are loading is a signed HTC ROM. Cmonex and oli hacked that SPL to bypass that certification process- therefore it will now load any ROM. So you are wrong. HTC DID create the software, and these guys simply hacked it to work the way we want it to work.

Originally Posted by MinLo

If someone adjust the software that Cmonex/Oil made, the unlocker, then it would and should be considered warez...

And yet it's not considered warez when cmonex and oli "adjust" the software HTC made? You can't have it both ways...

Originally Posted by MinLo

Now if someone starts from scratch and makes their own software to unlock the phone, so be it, but I havn't seen anybody accomplish this yet....

Not even cmonex and oli started from scratch. They are clearly using HTC's RUU, and likely using a modified version of HTC's SPL too.

Originally Posted by MinLo

Cmonex isn't selling HTC's code...

Well technically she is requiring a "donation" and not selling it, but it is still HTC's code.

Originally Posted by MinLo

Cmonex made something to break the Carrier's/HTC's lock on your ability to do things that HTC?carriers's didn't want you to have the ability to do ......
Cmonex/Oil are offering two unlocks for free per person(upgraded last night I believe), and if there is a legit reason they will allow the unlocker to unlock it additional times....

I realize all that. I just don't see why it's perfectly okay for them to hack up HTC's code, and not okay for anyone else to hack up what they ended up with.

Originally Posted by MinLo

If they don't have it setup the way they do now then others will take the Cmonex/Oil work and profit from commercially unlocking TP2's....

You mean the same way Cmones and Oli are profiting form HTC's code?

Originally Posted by MinLo

It has been done on prior devices with Cmonex/Oil unlocker's before....

It has already been stated that here or in the official unlock thread that a 3rd party phone dealer is already doing this....
Except the 3rd party dealer wasn't giving away anything free but was charging per unlock....

I'm not saying it's okay for dealers to do that. However, a dealer making money off of Cmonex and oli's work isn't all that much different from Cmonex and Oli making money off HTC's work.

Originally Posted by MinLo

YOU ARE DISCOUNTING WHAT THEY DID and at the same time being pretty disrespectful IMO

I'm not discounting what they did. I am just saying that if HTC wanted to, they could easily take them to court for their actions. So if HTC is being so nice about it, why are Cmonex and Oli being so restrictive?

Originally Posted by MinLo

If what they did was a simple tweak why haven't you produced one yet?
Why hasn't anyone else created one?

I never said it was a simple task. I just said it wasn't them starting from scratch and entirely coding their own app. They tweaked HTC's work. And to answer your question, I don;t have time for it.

Originally Posted by MinLo

As far as profit I guess it depends on how you value your time and hard work....
If after spending 3 weeks creating something and you receive $1 and you consider that profit, I need to hire you to help with the kids around my house.....

The purpose of this community (and XDA) is for people to share their knowledge and help each other. It was never intended for people to come here and hawk their work. Asking for donations is fine. Requiring it is another matter. And, again, calling it warez when someone else hacks "your" work, when "your" work is only a hacked up HTC product, then it is too much.

Originally Posted by MinLo

I don't think we see Cmonex/Oil on any magazine's top 1000 richest ppl list anytime soon because they created a TP2 unlocker

Maybe not. But it is still wrong to call it warez and remove it if somene hacks it up.

Originally Posted by MinLo

5 lines with all TP2's? Sounds commercial to me unless your buying 14yr old Susie and 10 yr old Timmy a TP2 and somehow he's wants to flash it....

Uh, for your information I have 4 Toucfh Pro 2's on my family account. Me, my wife, and my 2 teenage sons ech have one. Nothing business or commercial about that. It's a family plan, with a family using it.

Originally Posted by MinLo

Seems like your just trying to push the envelope but in that case maybe you should donate since their unlocker is gonna be a huge favor to your family.....

I'm not pushing anything. Me, my wife, and 2 teenage sons. A typical American family.

Originally Posted by MinLo

Even in the case that your family plan is shared by friends rather than actual family the bill for the phones would come to $1000 in phones with Verizon being the cheapest, all the other US carriers the total would be $1750....
Donating $25 to unlock the all of your 5 lines and your complaining after purchasing $1000 worth of phones that came locked, hmmmmmmmmmm......
Those five people bought $1000 in phones but are complaining that donating .025% of the purchase price is too much to ask....ROFL

Look, I'm not complaining about donating. Like I said, I donated twice. I am coplaining about cmonex and oli calling it warez if someone hacks the hard spl- when that is exactly what they did to HTC in the first place. And I am also saying it is not right to require a "donation" and put strict copyrite protections (and gather personal data) for something that is supposedly free anyway.

Originally Posted by MinLo

With that being said I guess that all of the cooks here don't deserve any donations at all for their creations either RIGHT?

Since all the cooks are doing is taking HTC's and Microsoft work and tweaking it right?

That you should just get what you want for free without any consideration that people actually did more than clink on a link and download the file to make roms/unlocking/themes possible.....

Sure the cooks deserve donations. But they would be out of line if they REQUIRED a donation. And the would also be out of line if they put all kinds of copyrite protections, gathering personal data, and calling it warez if anyone else tweaked their ROM.

Originally Posted by MinLo

If someone took anybodies work here and changed it without the softwares authors' permission then yes it would be a big NONO.....
I wouldn't use the term warez but rather it would be stealing....

And yet that is exactly what Cmonex and Oli did to HTC. They took HTC's RUU and SPL, tweaked it without permission, and put a bunch of copyrite protections on it.

Originally Posted by MinLo

I know your gonna restate that they tweaked HTC's source code but I didn't get an unlocker preinstalled on my TP2, DID YOU????

Look man, YES, I had an SPL preinstalled on my phone- as did everyone else. It's just mine (and everyone else's) was set to verify that the ROM was signed by HTC. Cmonex and oli removed that verification process- and then added their own verification process (verifying that it has only been used once).

Originally Posted by MinLo

Nobody has stepped up to make an unlocker because it isn't as easy you think it is....
If someone made an unlocker without using/stealing cmonex's/oil's program I would think it would be fine....
If PPCGEEK's didn't like that there was a free unlocker available, the free unlocker author is more than welcome to take it to another site or create their own site......

PPCGeeks just didn't want to upset the only people that have made one so far. That doesn't mean it was a correct or fair decision.

Originally Posted by MinLo

Cmonex/Oil I'm sure appreciated your donation.....
If you would have had patience to wait you wouldn't of had to donate.....

Well it should be an issue.

Originally Posted by MinLo

Not to be a grammar nazi but you wouldn't be a residential customer you would of used the unlocker for your own private use....

I make spelling/grammar mistakes here all the time so not trying to be mean but I wanted to clarify .....

Well I meant residential because I am not a commercial user.

Originally Posted by MinLo

Last but not least why isn't this topic closed?????
I thought for sure you were gonna shut this puppy down Coz!!!

Why would this thread get locked? Are you serious? Silence the other side rather than address it? Wow...

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by cmonex

1) it is warez because you would be using a patch of OUR OWN CODE. maybe there is a better expression, I don't know, I'm not a native English speaker.

Isn't yours a patch of HTC's code though? You are using HTC's RUU and a hacked version of HTC's SPL, correct?

Originally Posted by cmonex

2) you SUPPOSE it should be free, but you only decide that if you make the program YOURSELF. anyway, we DON'T REQUIRE donations for private users, they have CHOICES. don't pay for it if you know you are going to be sorry for paying, instead send a ticket and wait a little for our solution.

I have no problem giving a donation. I just don't like it being required. And again, I don't see why you can restrict anyone from hacking your code, when your code is actually HTC's code that you have hacked.

Originally Posted by cmonex

3) I don't understand your comment about Olipro's reply (where he said "if you don't like it don't use it" or something along those lines). what is a "real company" supposed to do? I seriously don't know, as I'm not American, nor is Olipro. thanks.

The "real" company would have an end user license agreement, and a privacy policy that specified what information was being gathered and/or how that information was going to be used and/or shared. And in the event the private information was shared without the end users' permission, there would be a legal entity held responsible. And by legal entity, I mean a registered company getting sued- not a just couple of screen names getting "argued with" in a thread.

Originally Posted by cmonex

1) yes you are discounting it. for some reason this community has many people who like to complain all the time, it is not like others (such as XDA). I didn't really care about the nagging before the release, but this is getting to me a bit. I'm almost seriously thinking of not doing hacks again for american phones. I don't even LIVE in the US and naturally I couldn't care less about US phone releases.

We're are grateful of your work. Like I said, I donated twice. I never even asked you for a free license or anything, I just donated. My complaint is that it is against the spirit of this community. We are all here to help each other and share our knowledge, helping others learn. You and oli have taken a more commercial attitude. You should be posting in this thread exactly how you made the hard spl, so others can do it too. Instead you ar "selling" it, and if anyone hacks it you label it as warez. Good thing HTC doesn;t share that same attitude, or your hard spl wouold not even exist.

Originally Posted by cmonex

2) you shouldn't have paid if you resent it afterwards! this is why it is in a sense still a donation, because you have the choice to go to us and ask for it free or if urgent AND don't mind donating then do so.

I don't resent paying. I just resent being required to pay. Between you and me, I have access to enough computers and enough different networks where I could have easily done all of my phones for free, without waiting. Between all the current and old ones we don;t use anymore, we probably have about 12 laptops in my house. Every one of my neighbors has WiFi, and would have no problem giving me the access key (and most are not even secured). I could have easily done it without donating. But I figured I would donate for your time- not because I needed further assistance, but because I felt you had already earned it.

Amd that's the way it should be here. if people want to donate, fine. If they don't want to donate, that's fine too.

[electronicrice]

"4. Nobody is use to the system and its new and has bugs and hopefully the bugs will be worked out with them going to a 2device per household. I’ve donated to Rom developers and thankful for their work, but the Hardspl donations are different and so people aren’t use to this new method. "

I honestly think this is part of the reason why this has become such a problem. It is just a new concept to most CDMA users. Heck, if you look at XDA and the GSM models that OliNex has unlocked, those are all required to be paid for and uses the same licensing scheme. Granted the new licensing server may have some bugs that need to be ironed out, and perhaps there may need to be a tiny bit of lax on how many devices per household may be activated, but I really think it's just the fact that the idea is new to most CDMA users who have been provided free unlocker software up until now. I really don't have a problem with it, and if someone creates their own unlocker that really does work and decides to post it up for free without requiring a call home, then great, but until then, this is what we have; which I'm truly thankful for.

As far as the turn around time on support tickets, it is the holiday season, there are only 2 people running the show, and it is going to take a little more time. Perhaps OliNex should update the wording on the turnaround time for their site.

Also, SaltyDawg, the "hacked" unlocker that been floating around isn't a hacked version of the unlocker OliNex put out. Rather it was a beta version that didn't contain the licensing server code so it doesn't require calling home. Its just an unfinished version of it. Unless someone really did hack the final released unlocker, which I don't believe is the case.

Edit - Hell I even downloaded the software that Cmonex uses to hack the SPL and tried it out. Now I'm even more greatful that she did this for us. If anyone has such a problem with it, I'd suggest you do the same. I could also agree with the notion that they should post information on how it is done so that others can learn the technique and share the knowledge in the event that they decide to quit US devices, but that's up to them.

[ACHlLLES]

Amazingly long thread which can be taken care of if we have little patience and HSPL unlocker team respond in respectable time. There was no need for stupid "I'm right, you are wrong" type responses from each other.

I just hope I don't need a replacement phone in the future reading all this.

[nuprotocol]

Originally Posted by cmonex

for godssake, do you have unlimited number of people in your household? if yes, then yes we get unlimited donations! so please just tell me how to make so many kids, I'd like to know more abour your method!

Not unlimited from me, from all the folks that have to wait or have more than two devices since your email clearly states that if somebody has more than two devices then they HAVE to donate = unlimited donations from EVERYBODY silly, not me. lol Think before you post.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by cmonex

so please just tell me how to make so many kids, I'd like to know more abour your method!

You said english is not your first language, right? So I imagine you speak english with an accent...

So we have a chick who speaks with a sexy accent, is super smart, likes HTC devices and even hacks them up, asking for a method to make a lot of kids...

lol, I think I speak for most of us here when I say I could definitely help with that

[O'Neil Mitchell]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

You said english is not your first language, right? So I imagine you speak english with an accent...

So we have a chick who speaks with a sexy accent, is super smart, likes HTC devices and even hacks them up, asking for a method to make a lot of kids...

lol, I think I speak for most of us here when I say I could definitely help with that

WTF dude, that was out of left field

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by O'Neil Mitchell

WTF dude, that was out of left field

lol, it was just a joke man