More functional device locking
 

I searched and read through the forums, and I still didn't find a good answer, so here goes:

I am sick of my Mogul making phone calls by itself while it is in its holster. I really need a device lock program that actually helps me simplify the Mogul experience rather than complicating it further.

The only thing that would make sense would be for the phone to lock itself whenever the power button is used to turn off the device, like PalmOS Treos do. It's the least intrusive, smartest approach to device locking. I honestly cannot believe this isn't built into WM6, but I digress.

I haven't found anything that will behave this way on the Mogul. Am I missing something? Anyone have any ideas how to implement this? Please share.

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Just for argument's sake, these are my thoughts on the tools I've found by searching:

HTC device lock: ridiculously stupid in principle. You have to go to the today screen and hit a small icon with your thumb. It's anti-user interface.

Slide2Unlock: For a locking program, it's too much of a memory hog, unstable, slow and heavy. I don't care to imitate the iPhone, and the Mogul is pretty flaky as it is without it. This is not an option for me (no offense to the developer, it's just not what I'm looking for)

Device Lock by Matt from XDA: this is almost what I need but it lacks the vital feature of working automatically when powering the device down, as far as I can tell. The only way to use it with any degree of sense is by assigning it to a hard button, which means that I have to press two buttons to turn off the phone: the device lock button, and the power button, and that's just stupid.

I use Device lock and have it assigned to my comm manager button. One press causes it to lock and power down/suspend my phone.

So, that approach takes away one button and makes the power button useless. It just makes so much more sense for the power button to do this automatically...

It's crazy, the Mogul has 13 buttons and everything is so complicated that I find myself actually running out of them.

Agreed

I use Slide2Unlock and I think it's the best locking app out there at the moment. I'm just amazed there's no real keyguard type app built into the device.

nice review

I agree with your take on all but device lock, the hitting an extra button thing really doesn't bother me

but I would like a self timer, sometimes id like to simply put my phone in my pocket and not worry about calling a random or last contact

both devicelock and slide will lock on wake. this works fine for me with no extra botton presses or assignments

If anyone wants to take a crack at it, I'll bet that you could achieve an autolock using mortscript and Devicelock together. The mortscript would need to find a way to check if the device has been idle for a set period of time. If so, it would activate devicelock to suspend and lock the device.

Slide2lock is such a memory whore though.

Is "wake" the same thing as pressing the power button to turn the device on? Mine does not work even after I checked the "lock on wake" option.

It only works if I explicitly run "devicelock".

OnLock - works as requested - It is all I use, and literaly the second thing I install (after TotalCommander).

Low memory footprint.

Install, run OnlockPrefs from programs, check start on boot, activate.

Now when you press the power button you are locked! except when a call comes in you can answer it.

And when you tapit again you get a quick easy, yet pretty sure two tap lock system.

I checked the ppcgeeks downloads section but couldn't find it. I could use such a program too. Can you tell me where the ftp site is or could you post Onlock here?
Thanks

Oh please do, I'd absolutely love to try this out.

Change your lock to 0 minutes under Setting->Lock and then use this registry edit.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\Security\LASSD\AE\{50C1337 7-C66D-400C-889E-C316FC4AB374}
(change AEFrequencyType from 1 to 2)

Everytime you turn on your phone you will be presented with the password screen but it will not pop up when you are using the device. Your power button will basically lock the device with these settings.

I love the device lock (screen) from spb mobile shell (I just wish they'd automate it..) - I've got it assigned to the com key though so one keypress and it's locked with info on the screen (time, date, # of sms/emails/missed calls/weather/calendar)

-mark

updated my post with file and description

I used this all the time on my 6700 but I forgot about it thanks for the reminder and posting it up :)

Here is a thread the author JKingGrim created on this app for those with questions or issues.
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-6...k-program.html

I installed this on my phone because I was looking for the exact same thing in the locking fashion (this is default behavior on the 700p). It worked for the first two days, and now when I hit the power key it doesn't lock the phone; the program says it's running but it doesn't lock. Any ideas? Anyone else having this problem?

Yes I had the same problem, I removed it and reinstalled. It started working again, that was 3 days ago and I haven't had any problems. I had an issue causing a hard reset last night not related to this app, so my time line is started over. Just reinstall the cab. should fix things right up.

On mine it will start working at random. Sometimes it takes an hour, sometimes a day. Once it starts working, it works, somewhat. I don't care anymore though, I've decided to go back to PalmOS after 25 days of WM6 hell.

This application is PERFECT for what I am looking for. Unfortunately it does not work. When I first installed it, it did absolutely nothing. I reinstalled and it worked great! After locking and unlocking my phone about 20 times or so, it no longer functioned again.

Sucks it's not reliable. I was hoping to use it all the time :(

Any alternatives?

for me, on my 6700, it is solid as a rock. are you sure it is running, and in your startup folder?

After a week of trying onlock proved to be buggy on all fronts, I think this is simply a WM6 issue as this worked very well on my 6700. I hope there is an update for this program in the future, this is exactly what I want from a device lock.

Device Lock/Unlock - IS IT REALLY THIS DIFFICULT!!!
 

OMG!!! SOMEONE SOLVE THIS ALREADY!

This is a simple funciton! No workarounds, no exceptions, no standing on one foot and rubbing your belly to UNLOCK!

Let me premiss this by saying, I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING OUT THERE! (Slide2Unlock was closest, but still way buggy)

I thought I had a fix. I use AE Button so I have full control over my buttons and what they do. Awesome program(get the latest version). I installed DeviceLock, set DeviceLock to start from wakeup, set END button to turn power off device if hit twice, set power and display settings to turn off after certain time. Tested it, worked good. Minor hitch: when woken it won't power off until "Power" control panel utility does its thing, set to 2 minutes... if phone locked then it should turn off if not unlocked after 5 or 10 seconds. I can live with this hitch.

So, solution found? HELL NO! I get a phone call and my phone is automatically unlocked but I can't use it... frozen.

I am grateful to iPhone for one reason... phone manufacturers and window mobile will finally have to pull their heads out of the arses to compete.

I will donate $100 to a pool for a working solution and open source code, anyone else?

On my Mogul, Settings->System Tab->Key Lock has the following 3 options:

When device is off:

- Lock all buttons except Power button (what I have it set to)
- Lock buttons if device is locked
- Do not lock buttons

I assumed this was a standard control panel, and not something installed after I got it (because I didn't consciously install just this piece). It's possible that it's part of the Messaging Security and Feature Pack [MSFP] for WM5/6, which I had to "accept" when I did my first sync to our Exchange server (although it's not mentioned anywhere in the docs for MSFP).

Anyway, when I hit the power button, it goes off and the only button that still works is power.

It does look like a standard thing, or at least it's explained as such in this review:

http://justanothermobilemonday.com/W...-mogul-by-htc/

I'm not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet.

I think the need here is to "lock on wake" in addition, because my power button can get hit easily by the standard case while in my pocket... That's how I end up making random phone calls.

That's odd. I use DeviceLock as well and have my end button set to run DeviceLock and power off my device upon a double-press. When I get a call and answer it, my phone does not unlock (just tested it to make sure).

You need to use S2U2 (Slide to Unlock 2...) it's fully native, works very well, and is rock solid. Uses far less memory now too. Running it on a WM6 6700, should be similar to a mogul.

That's where I'm sure the MSFP comes in. It forces you to set a time after which is "auto-locks" (regardless of on/off state), so if I hit power it locks all but the power button, then X minutes later the device lock comes on so if I hit the power button it's still locked.

I've never had a problem with turning it on in my pocket, my problem is remembering to turn it OFF before I put it there. :)

Unfortunately, I think that MSFP is only an option if using Exchange AND the Exchange admins mandate it be used. Since I never used my Mogul without it, I don't know if Settings->Persona->Lock works the same way without it. When I open that, I key in my password and then can check a box to "prompt if device unused for" and a pulldown for time. So the combo of Key Lock and setting "prompt if device unused for" to 1 minute would probably solve almost all the problems (if Lock is there on a non-MSFP device).

There is a "Lock on Wake" option in DeviceLock as well.

ok titan noob, just got my 6700 replaced. been reading for days, Thanks everyone for all the info. Thanks for turning me onto onlock, however my biggest peav was/is that when i'm in a call and the phone is locked, the END button still hangs up the call.
this is very frustrating, anybody got a reg hack?

Hadn't seen that this thread had so many peoplehaving problems with onlock, I don't get it... Every kitchen and rom I've tried onlock has been flawless.

To the last poster; sorry, it's supposed to allow you to answer and end calls. When you are not in a call those buttons are locked.

I was looking for good locking program awhile back. Slide 2 Unlock is too cumbersome, but a different guy made a version from the ground-up in C++ called Slide 2 Unlock 2. I highly reccomend this, it solved all of my pocket-calling problems, is easy on the ram, and is highly configurable (Slide 2 Answer is a fantastic feature). It is also very reliable - versions of OnLock and whatnot I used tended to stop working inexplicably or didn't reliably trigger on device wake.

I originally got my 6700 bc I install dtv and spend more time than i want on hold and NEEDed bluetooth so i could continue working while on the phone. almost all of my jeans have the "carpenter" pocket which has proven a happy home for my cell's. until my ppc's I've always had flip phones and never had issues with the phone in my pocket (any), during my years at radioshack I would use holsters, but mainly as a sales tool. now I have other tools that must be strapped to my waist.

I NEED A WAY TO DISABLE THE END BUTTON WHILE THE PHONE IS LOCKED, if it's that important to end a call FAST, the ground works great!!!

Sorry Guys, I'm a little confused. When I press power one time screen goes off and all buttons appear to be locked, even during a call I press power and put it in the holster without a problem. WMP is the only thing that seems to require the device to have the screen on (Which I kinda understand,WMP+Screen off+Idiots=Drained batt, and another forum full of complaints).

You can actually map a button in WMP to turn off the screen but keep playing music. The device remains fully powered on, just sans screen.

When your device is off there is no problems. The real problem comes from the device being in your pocket and an event happening that wakes the device up, such as a text message or an alarm. The device will fully wake up and, with the design of the Titan's case (as was true with the 6700 and the 6600) you will likely mash the 'Talk' button and call the most recent contact - repeatedly. Device lock programs, such as "Slide 2 Unlock 2", will allow the phone to wake up and receive the event but prevent any input until a certain unlikely-to-be-accidental key combination is entered - allowing your phone to process events and not pocket call the pants off your last contact.

My 6600 (and consequently me) was notorious for pocket calling when I had that phone. It wasn't uncommon to have 10-15, five minute long voice mails from me, all consisting of muffled environment noise.

I agree with diomark. I love mobile shell's now screen and would love to have that show when ever i turn on the device. however i have the usual problem of accidentally calling people f i receive a text and dont immediately clear it and turn my xv6800 back off. Anyone know a way to automate this like diomark wished for? without having to push one button to lock and then push the power button?

Re: More functional device locking
 

I found that whenever I bent at the hip that my pants were pressing on the buttons on the phone and causing it to (in my case) want to shut down. (if you store your phone in the opposite position it could be pressing on the "voice dial" button in the same manner) My fix was to put a poece of electrical tape over the buttons and then use an exacto knife to cut around the buttons and remove the tape over the buttons. This results in the buttons not sticking out so far and therefore less problems accidentally pressing them. It's not a fancy software fix but it works.

Re: More functional device locking
 

okay, is there an actual program that locks the device? that is, when i lock my device, i then have to hit a button and then touch the screen to unlock it. is that a program?
if so, what is it called? do we know? I'm searching the forums, so i may find it before someone responds, but if anyone knows the name, feel free to lemme know.
thx!