GPS GPS GPS!

[jparks29]

You know how many people switched to Cingular JUST to get the HP 6515 with built in GPS, when it came out? A LOT!

Why doesn't sprint actualy 'sprint ahead' and get a PDA/PPC with true GPS capability? It's sales would go up significantly.

INSTEAD, they have a 500$ device that doesn't have a capability that the 'free' phones do... WTF is up with that?

If the mogul supported GPS out of the box, I'd go get one today, and so would about 20 or 30 people that I know, there's got to be hundreds of thousands of mobile professionals that would want such a device.

[aughsum]

Originally Posted by jparks29

You know how many people switched to Cingular JUST to get the HP 6515 with built in GPS, when it came out? A LOT!

Why doesn't sprint actualy 'sprint ahead' and get a PDA/PPC with true GPS capability? It's sales would go up significantly.

INSTEAD, they have a 500$ device that doesn't have a capability that the 'free' phones do... WTF is up with that?

If the mogul supported GPS out of the box, I'd go get one today, and so would about 20 or 30 people that I know, there's got to be hundreds of thousands of mobile professionals that would want such a device.

we know... the same can be said for the apache...

the ONLY reason im on sprint is im paying 17$/month, if it werent for that id go somewhere with GPS capability.

[RootWind]

Originally Posted by jparks29

You know how many people switched to Cingular JUST to get the HP 6515 with built in GPS, when it came out? A LOT!

Why doesn't sprint actualy 'sprint ahead' and get a PDA/PPC with true GPS capability? It's sales would go up significantly.

INSTEAD, they have a 500$ device that doesn't have a capability that the 'free' phones do... WTF is up with that?

If the mogul supported GPS out of the box, I'd go get one today, and so would about 20 or 30 people that I know, there's got to be hundreds of thousands of mobile professionals that would want such a device.

Which free phones support real GPS?

[kamiraa]

I got the molux 1000, amazing gps unit. I used it so much already going to do different locations. I highly recommend it for now. Just put it on the dash or something since its bluetooth the battery lasts about 13 hrs full use.

[mrenz999]

I boguht the itrek m5+ works great with Live. But sucks with google maps cuz it seems to stop following along. Live works great though.

[Deviation]

I know the new ROM has some libraries that relate to GPS, but they obviously aren't doing anything.

I have a good feeling that the GPS will get enabled by Sprint. In what capacity, who knows.

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by shadowmite

Confirmed, thanks for getting the shot of those chips... It is, sorry to say, a wifi antenna... The 6800 is not capable of standalone GPS... This is quite upsetting as this is based on a phone which is supposed to have it. I'm sorry for getting everyone's hopes up...

Murph24, you're the man, thanks for doing this for everyone!

Good grief.

So here's the deal folks: Shadowmite was wrong. Very wrong.

(This is what we get for putting too much faith in 1 person).

All we had to do was look at the FCC internal photos (warning: large PDF) of the Mogul/6800 as they show as clear as day the internal GPS antenna.

Going further, the HTC Touch on Sprint also lists an internal GPS antenna, which means this:

1. Mogul and Touch both have an internal GPS antenna
2. This antenna is required for aGPS/GPS
3. Previous Sprint WM devices did *not* have these antennas (for whatever reason)
4. Sprint/HTC need to "enable" this feature via firmware i.e. currently it is "locked down" either on purpose, lack of an API or both.

How did we all miss this?

[pixelwix]

nice find hope its full gps

[Murph24]

Here are links to some pics of that area on the board I took awhile back. If I remember right we were originally looking for a GPS antenna similar the Trinity's, so this component was just overlooked.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/IMGP1987.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/IMGP1967.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/IMGP1966.jpg


Looks like the manufacturer and part number are (I THINK..pics aren't that great):
APT
50H20072-15M

Tried a quick google search, but nothing came up. Maybe someone with some better component data resources can take a look. This component is in pretty close proximity to the Qualcomm Chips....

Edit:

Page 11 of the FCC doc from Malatesta seems to show the antenna. It seems to have a slightly different part number from whats in my mogul...

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by Murph24

Here are links to some pics of that area on the board I took awhile back. If I remember right we were originally looking for a GPS antenna similar the Trinity's, so this component was just overlooked.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/IMGP1987.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/IMGP1967.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/IMGP1966.jpg


Looks like the manufacturer and part number are (I THINK..pics aren't that great):
APT
50H20072-15M

Tried a quick google search, but nothing came up. Maybe someone with some better component data resources can take a look. This component is in pretty close proximity to the Qualcomm Chips....

Edit:

Page 11 of the FCC doc from Malatesta seems to show the antenna. It seems to have a different part number from whats in my mogul...

Very interesting Murph. Lets keep digging

There is the chance that it was omitted from the Sprint version or changed.

That was my impression too: people were looking in the wrong area for the antenna, so it was missed and once Shadow declared it was absent, that seemed to seal the deal.