I've been using Internet Sharing with Multi-NAI disabled and it works great. I get disconnected a lot if I use Bluetooth but USB keeps the connection like a charm.

When you tether you're using your mobile phone as a modem for your computer.

I dont mean to be annoying, but how come NOBODY in here uses the build in internet sharing?

a bt dongle for 10 bucks and your phone and you have a wireless modem in your pocket...

I just said I use it... in the post above yours. :p

I guess for people who don't want to or don't know how to edit their registry to disable multi-NAI, PDANet and USBModem are good choices. But making the reg changes to hide tethering and use Internet Sharing works and it's free. So there ya go...

well i saw your post, i just woundered why the rest didnt do that... its sooooooooooooooo simple, so simple that i didnt need lame modem profiles to get it to work on my mac... which is nearly impossible with any other phone

It seems kind of funny to me but...

...why disable Multi-NAI under the WModem key if you don't use WMODEM?? That reg hack ONLY affects the WModem.exe program. The internet sharing app has its own set of related keys - of which none pertain to Multi-NAI...

I dunno, I just thought I would point that out... :p

Precisely my thought. WModem only effects PAM/DUN setups....not the "Internet Sharing" application.

And in another thought, if they wanted to inforce their PAM usage part of our contracts, why whould they make Internet Sharing available on ALL Moguls? It's possible for them to make reg edits OTA when a service is purchased....but they don't....because they don't care. I think if they see a lot of useage on your account they also look at connection times. If they see the normal in-and-out connections then they don't care. If they see you connected ALL DAY non-stop with megs and megs of throughput, then they're gonna scream.

Just my $0.02

My theory is that they scewed up just like with the 6700 and Free tethering...They didn't disable Wmodem for the 6700/WM5 and hence free undetected tethering.

They were in such a rush to get WM6 out to our 6800's and since it's the first Sprint WM6 phone, they didn't have enough time to fix the ROM to disable the internet sharing over "PCS", or they didn't even catch it.

Obviously they would probably leave the PAM option in Internet sharing for legit PAM subscribers and disable the PCS connect option if they had time or knew what they were doing, who knows that may happen in future ROM's.

I think those reg edits are unneeded as well, they might not even know that you are tethered as long as you use I.S. and it connects to the PCS "cellular line" as opposed to "PAM"
Once you already have a data link going from opening IE on your 6800 I wonder if they can even tell that you then hook up you PC to it, I mean it's still the 'same' data connection and you can even unplug you PC and plug it back in again all using the original data link, so it seems to me other than useage volume and patterns they wouldn't even know you are tethered.

P.S. I ve dl'd many gigs per month from my 6700 and now the same with my 6800 (my GF doesn't have wired internet at her house and so when I'm over there, I tether usenet at full speed/volume about 20-30gb/mo)

Wow!
That's a lot of data! How many billing cycles have you gone through at this rate?

I'm still weary about tethering without disabling NAI but after reading your story, I'm ready to cancel my home internet connection and save myself 40 bucks a month!

Seriously though, what's your average kb/s dload rate? No auto disconnects?

And here's another thing about the "being billed for tethering" issue. I have NEVER seen anyone who claims to have gotten screwed post a bill. There's never proof they got billed.

So, for me, I've never seen one of these phantom tethering-charge bills...I've never received one....so I'm gonna go on and make it do what it do, Baby....

In all my time with both my 6700 and now the few months using the Mogul, I have never once changed the multi-NAI setting in the registry... the 6700 didnt support the second profile anyway, and the 6800 - well, I just dont use WModem so no biggie...

As was stated above - when you use ICS on the Mogul you have to dial in through PIE first. This would use the normal 'phone' NAI. In order to switch to the PAM NAI, it would have to hang up the connection and redial it using the other username. Take note that when you lose the data connection while using ICS, you get an Error 67 and possibly 1012(?), which tells me that its trying to change NAI, but fails when there is no PAM on the account. So you dial in through PIE again and all is well.

I tether almost 24/7 and Sprint seems none the wiser. Take what you may from that.

They wont care till you push alot of data... i heard that around 4 gig they get pissed... my friend downloads hd movies and only does like 50 gig a month on 12mbps but 30 gb sounds redonk for a phone...

Redonk?

*flips through Urbandictionary.com*

Ahh, ridiculous... well perhaps, but with as many users they have to watch over, I am sure they let some people slide from time to time. Fact is, and Sprint cannot deny it either, that if you sit and stream Hi-quality content to your phone all day its gonna suck up some bandwidth. I easily clear 20GB a month on my phone, just in streaming alone... however most of that is streamed to my PC instead of my phone for compatibility purposes.

Also, in your example of the 50GB a month of downloads on a 12Mbps line? Theoretically if the connection is maxxed out at all times, you can suck down 50GB in about 9.5 hours. So 30GB a month is not a stretch on a cell phone.

Exactly, 30gigs is just a drop in the big bucket for a lot of people (especially after my new 750gb hd :)), I've never ever had any trouble with it and if I did I would stop.

I wonder if anyone else has seen the Pop up ads Sprint has on like Foxnews.com??
They have the Mogul and a then as best as I remember it says "Download Huge Files"
"At Lightning Speed".

I don't think they mean Newsservers LOL
but just think how much you could download with just the 6800 onto a 4gb card anyways and wait until we can get 32gb cards.

I was actually looking the other day for PPC newsreaders but couldn't find much, I found some but they seem geared toward actually "reading" news articles rather than downloading files, anybody have any good info on any that work like Newsbin etc..??

I got the 67 and 1012 errors and couldn't connect via pie anymore. tried to reprovision ota and kept failing. ended up hard resetting my mogul to access my emails. ever sincee then I've been too afraid to try again.

When that happens, all you have to do is open internet sharing and click connect then disconnect. Voila, fixed ;)

nope
 

Ya, this fix didn't work for me, either. I had to reconstitute the whole fone, or whatever. Took about 90 mins with a good Sprint CSR. However, I use PDANet now, and have never had a similar prob.

i had this problem when i tried teathering on my 6700 when i was roaming on verizon and i had to hard reset. The internet didnt work anymore otherwise roaming or not.

That's because NAIs are needed for IOTA when roaming....that's what NAIs do.

I started a thread yesterday about the NAI reg hack myth.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=9418

I respectfully disagree. I just replied to your thread, check it out.

In light of new info, my statement is appended....:) Sprint uses the NAIs to identify which M.IP mode your phone is in. Not a function of the NAI. Sprint does the determination with the NAI is a mode identifier because each M.IP mode has a different username structure in it's associated NAI.

Is there any reason one most open an internet connection with another application first to use the PCS Vision connect profile with the Internet Sharing application? It is an annoying workaround. Can't we at least tweak a registry key or something?

Moreover, why does the phone appear to offer PAM service all the time, but in order to use it, I must click through the Internet Connect application interface? What is so terribly hard about the phone simply detecting a PAM request and connecting at that time?

I'm not sure what I'm missing here, but it seems that PAM should be simpler than DUN, yet I find myself doing more steps than I did back in the days of my t68i with DUN!

Here's the deal...

Our phones can connect to Power Vision with one of two different accounts. There's the normal PV account which is used for data services on the device itself. This is the one for which you select the username and password. When you open IE, Opera, Outlook, AIM, etc, it's connecting with that account. If you have PAM, a separate account is used. You can't change the account info, I believe it's hard coded into the phone. This is really the only way Sprint knows whether you're tethering or not, which account your Mogul uses to log into Power Vision. If you don't have an active connection and you try to connect with Internet Sharing, it will make the connection with the PAM account and if you don't have it on your plan, it won't connect. If you connect first with some other program and then connect with ICS, it just uses the active session, ie regular Power Vision, and Sprint doesn't know the difference.

The reason there's an inconvenience of having to connect before starting an ICS session is because we're getting around a measure Sprint set up to prevent us from tethering for free. If you want to pay $40 a month for PAM, you won't need to connect first, just select PAM from the ICS drop down and you're set. But I think the extra couple clicks are worth not spending that kind of money. What we're doing is cheating and it's barely making a sacrifice to get away with it. I'm sure there's probably a registry key to get around this, but no one has found it yet. Someone could probably whip up a Mortscript to do it too. But I'm lazy so I just use a little app called GPRS that initiates a data connection and that's it. So if I need to use ICS or an app that won't initiate a connection like Picsel, I run that first.

Yeah those 3 cilcks are to get free tethering is so terrible <sarcasm

In my opinion it is super easy to do, I mean come on you can't handle 3 clicks when you're going on the net and making a thousand clicks.

Also in your simple plug in idea, exactly how is your phone going to know if you are hooking up for activesync or internet??

Please see my post here:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=35

i only skimmed this thread, but i havent done any reg tweaks or deactivated anything... i just use internet sharing and it works...

And no charges for 3 months now, using it tethered once a day or more...

Just did chill's reg tweak and got internet sharing to work. Didn't have it b4 w/o connecting first.

I pay $99/mo for the largest SERO plan. Sprint claims that PAM is not an option, as my phone service includes data. Don't complain at me for trying to get something I don't deserve!

I will try luv2chill's suggestion very soon and see what happens. I suspect it will let me cut out one step, but not autoconnect.

Primenall, Bluetooth PAN is a specific part of bluetooth. How does your phone tell whether an incoming bluetooth connection is a sync, sending a file, hooking up a bluetooth headset, etc? It is all part of the bluetooth spec. PAN is no different. The initialization time on the internet app on the handset is quite low, so I'm sure at worst, the first PAN packets could be delayed a second or two.

This reminds me of how my old Palm Treo made me switch Bluetooth DUN on and off manually. It was just a kludgy way for programmers to get around the work of writing more functional software. With later models, that option disappeared and nothing was lost!

Personally I find it offensive that I have a "Unlimited text and Data plan" but then they say I have to "upgrade" from a SERO plan to a regular plan so I can buy a "Data Plan" in order to tether. So that basically means that I dont have an unlimited data plan. Its LIMITED to on device use. PFFT>

Let me just summarize here for my own sake. It is safe and essentially risk free to use an app like PDAnet to tether your mogul even with a Sprint SERO plan? Are there any other precautions we should take? Do users get flagged for using an insanely high amount of data? I dont plan to tether much, but the mobility of a wireless laptop connection "anywhere" is very appealing.

I'm in the same boat as you: ICS for tethering just works for me. I haven't had to do anything to my registry or anything else to make it work.

My whole phone seems to be this way. I don't have the problems, such as bluetooth quality, battery life, memory leak, that everyone complains about. It's weird.

Somewhat on the same topic...

When I look at my Sprint info online, I can't figure out what the number next to Vision Data Home is referring to. Is that number in reference to bytes or bits? or what?

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1244400_sprint.jpg

I'm just curious.

Thanks.

That's bytes.....so ~2.2MB. If it was kilobytes, then it would be 2.2GB.