FYI the 6800 (DBA P4000) is already released in Canada...
 

on Telus

A user at pdaphonehome (Paragon) has already received a production device and has posted pics and is answering questions over there. I don't intend to move discussion away from here by any means, but just wanted to let interested people know that there's some more info available.

Here is the Telus page about it:

http://www.telusmobility.com/on/pcs/...tc_p4000.shtml

And a link to the PDF Users Manual:

http://www.telusmobility.com/content.../htc_p4000.pdf

It remains to be seen what differences will be seen between the different carrier implementations of this device. Judging by the pics we've seen the hardware and physical design appears to be the same (dark grey plastic) between Sprint and Telus.

I thought that it was already out with Telus. Ask josh that's what I told him. :) Anyways still waiting.....

I just got mine too. Any questions, feel free to ask.

Hows the bluetooth? And what do you think of the speedness of the system or is this ur first ppc phone?
~Mike

This is my second PPC phone. My first was the 6700. So far, it seems to boot slower than the 6700, call quality over my Jabra BT620s is lower (quieter and the volume seems to fluctuate). I haven't had a chance to test the stereo bluetooth fully yet, but from the little bit i have tested, it is better, ie; no skipping like on the 6700.

A2DP has been tested. it works well with no skipping, although i find the audio quality not as good but it is definitely louder.

Does the phone use Windows 5.0 or 6.0? Also, how's the performance compared to the 6700?

WM5 AKU 3.3 from what I have read, I may have the wrong AKU, but it uses WM5 for sure.

it's WM5 and thus far the overall performance is about the same if not slower than the 6700. Once we can figure out how to do a ROM dump we can start tweaking it to unlock the added performance. the extra storage memory is nice though.

Oh my dear god... Even that tiny picture on their site is so damn tempting!

For a lack of better words on this one...

ME WANT! ME WANT!

XD

i'm going to take some comparison photos later today to show accurate size comparisons between the P4000, 6700 and RAZR... i'll say this much: It's not much bigger than a RAZR

WoW, not much bigger then a RAZR you say? I'm so looking forward to seeing this phone in person when sprint rolls it out in the US. Also, I think they did an awesome job with the layout of the phone, Just by looking around that PDF manual, All those extra hardware buttons, L33Tsauce!

Here's a comparison picture for you for now beside the 6700. I will have a complete review up in the coming days.

http://www.paragon-designs.com/ppc/htc52.jpg

And of course the P4000 itself:

http://www.paragon-designs.com/ppc/htc81.jpg

How's the keyboard backlighting?

TIA,
Todd/Indy

The backlighting is good. It comes on when you open the keyboard in a low light area. You don't have to hit a key to get the light on.

Dave

SWEET. And the backlight is white, illuminating the symbols in blue, right? I'm telling you it's the little things that make all the difference for me.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

http://www.paragon-designs.com/ppc/70005.jpg

WOW... OMG!!! It's beautiful!

I agree with luv2chill, it's the small things. :D

And that is why I am all over this when my time comes.

I will hand it to HTC, it seems like they really are listening to their customers and take their suggestions seriously. It appears most of the "issues" some people had with the 6700 are addressed:

Small, loose stylus
No backlight for the numbers
No BT 2.0
Pretty thick "brick" in size
Obtrusive external antenna
Too small of a NAV input (joystick)
No scroll wheel/jog dial

Now if the 6900 will have a stand alone Sirf GPS chip, be thinner/smaller yet, and not have proprietary audio cable, I'll be 100% content. 6700 gets the job done, 6800 is d@mn close!

For what it's worth, I talked to two Sprint "corporate store" techs yesterday, and they both told me that the 6800 should be in-store within the next three weeks. I couldn't nail a date out of them, but they all agreed independently on "late April, early May".

FWIW

MMS? or still old method way of checking a picture mail

For those wanting to know the demo phone for the verizon 6800 has WM6

That is a good sign.....now if we could just confirm with Sprint!

No MMS with Telus... that may be different with Sprint or Verizon though.

so true. something as small as keyboard lights could make me not get it. on the 6700 they screwed up the lights and in the dark I could never read the alt keys like numbers I hated it.

Does the device use the same USB form factor to sync/charge as the 6700, or is it different?

For all intents and purposes, it is the same. All existing miniusb cables will work with it. But it has a slightly modified connector (called ExtUSB) that adds pins for a headset. So basically they combined the miniusb port with the headset port and made it one single connector. They will provide a headset that has an ExtUSB plug, as well as an adapter that lets you use regular headsets with a 2.5" plug.

The thing I'd like confirmation on is if you can sync/charge with a normal USB cable without having the ExtUSB cable in between the phone and the PC's USB cord?

I'd hate to have to carry around a stupid adapter cable.....

Well I guess I can't exactly confirm it since I don't have a 6800 yet, but I can give you my 99.9% positive hunch that it will sync and charge just fine without any adapter in between. That is how other extUSB HTC devices work, so no reason to think the 6800 would be any different. I know the ExtUSB shape looks funky but it is designed to accept miniUSB stuff just fine.

The adapters are only needed if you want to hook up both a headset and a power/sync cable or if you need to hook up a headset with a 2.5" plug.

you need the adapter to be able to use a normal USB cable to charge.

that "in dark" pic is fabulous!
cant wait to get one

Which adapter is that? Now I'm confused. Are you sayinng that you can't plug a normal miniUSB cable into the port on the bottom of your P4000?

Please confirm.

Can you use existing 6700 batteries with the 6800?

Do you notice any problems with the storage card being on the bottom rather than the top?

Thanks for any and all replies.

6700 battery is different. It uses the same battery as the Trinity, aka the P3600.

i have no problem with the card on bottom.

You do NOT need an adpter to use a normal USB cable. After a week of use, the cable for mine is still in the box. I have used sevral mini USB cables, that I have had laying around for ages.

Dave

Hey Guys,

Nice finds soo far. Though besides looks, is it pretty much agreed that there is little difference in this product with it's current configuration?

By the way, for those asking about the USB and the like, here is the accessories and it clearly states that it is still the same connector and that they only reason that you'd need the adaptor is for use of headphones..

Hope this helps.

Andrew,

please anybody let us know about

wm6 and the sprint s 6800 !!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????

no, not at launch according to this:

http://www.phonenews.com/content/view/2056/9/

Thanks Paragon and Andrew for confirming what I thought.

Rawr give it a try! I know the connector looks a bit different but a regular USB cable should fit just fine. The adapter you're talking about is for if you need to use a headset and a power/sync cable simultaneously.

hmm, it does work. good to know. It feels a bit loose though, but it does indeed fit and charge.