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emkorial 01-13-2011 07:02 PM
List of issues, any solutions?
 
(cross posted at xda)

Cause I'm about to return this thing.

Software/OS wise:

- I guess this is an Android "thing", but the phone is constanly launching random programs in the background that I had nothing to do with, and it noticeably slows the phone down. If I see Sense stuttering, I'll run ATK, kill the dozen or so random things thta somehow launched all by themselves, and the phone is snappy again. Today I was typing a text message, and the phone was so slow, it was only registering one character every 5 seconds or so in the message. I went tho ATK, a whole shitload of random stuff was running, I killed it all, text messaging goes back to normal. How can you use an OS that randomly launches apps that degrade system performance? And as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the apps, or keep them from randomly launching on thier own in the background. I thought Android apps running in the background were supposed to not use any resources? But these a re having a noticible impact, clear as day. Sluggish UI, run ATK, kill the apps, silky smooth UI.

- I despise threaded SMS and you can't turn it off.

- I hate the little gray faces in the people list, and you can't turn them off

- Don't like the transparent folder backgrounds, and you can't do anything about it.

Hardware wise:
- The volume rocker is in a terrible positoin and is way to easy to accidentally hit. And apparently you need root to do anything about by remapping the keys

- If the phone is locked, sliding out the keyboard just a little bit wakes up the phone unlocked. andthen when trying to slide the KB back in you end up hitting buttons and hittingthe volume rocker, it's just annoying

- Suffers from the iPhone 4 "holding the phone in your righthand cuts your signal strength by 3 bars" problem

I mean, by themselves, none of these is a huge deal (except the OS slowing itself to a crawl, WTF is up with that?), but add them all up, on tp of the fact I'm paying $30 more a month over my Mogul, and I think this thing is going back to the Sprint store this weekend.

Kinda shocking that 5 years later the latest Androis phone still can;t match my Mogul in terms of useability.

haus 01-13-2011 07:11 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
I haven't experienced any slowdowns; what programs started themselves in the background? Never had sluggish response yet, but I'm pretty minimalist having learned from 5 years of Windows Mobile.

- also despise threaded SMS messaging, but come on...you knew the writing was on the wall for us classic SMS folks. I think we are the last two on earth.

- you have folders?

- yes, volume rocker is in a terrible position. I'm getting used to it but last night when I was trying to quietly use the phone in bed I hit the rocker by mistake and didn't realize I was holding it down when the Shift started vibrating non-stop. Woke up the wife...not my best moment, there.

Coming from a TP2, this has been an adjustment of epic proportions. Yes, there are things my HTC Apache could do in 2005 that Android simply cannot handle. But it does other things exceedingly well. Using the browser is actually a pleasure, once you get past the constant need to zoom in and out to see things.

I guess I have no solutions for you, though others might. The absolute biggest gripes I had - the phone remaining unlocked after a phone call and the lack of voice dial confirmation - I've both managed to solve. Everything else I'm getting used to.

YoungCorruption 01-13-2011 09:38 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
the only thing i can think of for the OP is to just get another phone that suits your needs

dizidi 01-13-2011 11:26 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
How the hell do you remove the micro sd card? We only get 2GB? I could of sworn that I saw 16GB in one of those preview videos.

haus 01-14-2011 01:05 AM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
You pop the battery out, pull up/out on the little black tab, and the SD card pops up. Gently pull it out. I put an 8GB card in there from my TP2. As someone else pointed out, ironically it comes with a Samsung card. I suspect if HTC ever gives us Gingerbread anyone who left the Sammy SD card in their phone won't be able to update. Man, I hold a grudge.

NthgToFear 01-14-2011 01:10 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by emkorial (Post 2036292)
(cross posted at xda)

Cause I'm about to return this thing.

Software/OS wise:

- I guess this is an Android "thing", but the phone is constanly launching random programs in the background that I had nothing to do with, and it noticeably slows the phone down. If I see Sense stuttering, I'll run ATK, kill the dozen or so random things thta somehow launched all by themselves, and the phone is snappy again. Today I was typing a text message, and the phone was so slow, it was only registering one character every 5 seconds or so in the message. I went tho ATK, a whole shitload of random stuff was running, I killed it all, text messaging goes back to normal. How can you use an OS that randomly launches apps that degrade system performance? And as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the apps, or keep them from randomly launching on thier own in the background. I thought Android apps running in the background were supposed to not use any resources? But these a re having a noticible impact, clear as day. Sluggish UI, run ATK, kill the apps, silky smooth UI.

- I despise threaded SMS and you can't turn it off.

- I hate the little gray faces in the people list, and you can't turn them off

- Don't like the transparent folder backgrounds, and you can't do anything about it.

Hardware wise:
- The volume rocker is in a terrible positoin and is way to easy to accidentally hit. And apparently you need root to do anything about by remapping the keys

- If the phone is locked, sliding out the keyboard just a little bit wakes up the phone unlocked. andthen when trying to slide the KB back in you end up hitting buttons and hittingthe volume rocker, it's just annoying

- Suffers from the iPhone 4 "holding the phone in your righthand cuts your signal strength by 3 bars" problem

I mean, by themselves, none of these is a huge deal (except the OS slowing itself to a crawl, WTF is up with that?), but add them all up, on tp of the fact I'm paying $30 more a month over my Mogul, and I think this thing is going back to the Sprint store this weekend.

Kinda shocking that 5 years later the latest Androis phone still can;t match my Mogul in terms of useability.

I would run ATK. Android does it's own management. My Shift ran slow at first but eventually everything evened out. ATK tends to make both the Evo and Evo Shift run slower overall.


Mine doesn't suffer from the iPhone reception problem you listed either.

dizidi 01-15-2011 04:34 AM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
Is there some kind of file explorer to help navigate thru my sd card files? thank u.

haus 01-15-2011 03:00 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
I use ES file explorer from the market. Seems to work pretty nicely. it's the only one I've tried, though.

princem131 01-15-2011 11:30 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizidi (Post 2037096)
Is there some kind of file explorer to help navigate thru my sd card files? thank u.
Astro File manager is great too

HTCotta 01-16-2011 12:28 AM
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I think the OP is experiencing a bit of the placebo effect because I have not seen this phone slow down once, even with 26 tasks showing in ATK. I've mostly stopped using ATK because of what I've read and I think my phone is actually running better.

lafester 01-16-2011 12:47 AM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
so send it back.

not sure what you want us to do about it.

haus 01-16-2011 11:56 AM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
One of the purposes of communities like this IMHO is to help people solve problems and learn how to use their devices. In the absence of that, a little commiserating never hurt either.

dawinkley 01-16-2011 04:05 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
I just replaced my TP2 with the Shift (and I admit to missing flashing that poor phone almost weekly with custom ROMs). I replaced my wife's Pre with Epic. Epic is a beautiful phone, but for my needs, too big. This Shift is almost perfect for me. My only complaint is the volume rocker- too sensitive and placed in the wrong spot. Once it's rooted, I'm sure it can be disabled, but that's my only complaint of this phone.

LuckyLui 01-19-2011 10:12 AM
Hows the shift guys? :D

Minimalistic Mikfroyo 4.4

elmerfudpucker 01-19-2011 10:26 AM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
I quit using ATK, reset the phone and I have noticed the phone is not starting up as many programs as before. I have read that Android tries to "predict" what you will need, so I am guessing there might be a bit of a slowdown due to its learning your habits. But I will be rooting and killing a few of the bloatware apps that I have no intentions of using. There is others saying the phone is underclocked as well, I wonder how well the root will fix that? Dont forget to reset and update the phone first, something we all have learned from the TP...

toddpedersen 01-19-2011 10:57 AM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
I use a free app called RingGuard from Appbrain to prevent the volume rockers from changing my volume. It pops up a Yes or No to accept or deny the attempted change, and you can set it to timeout as No automatically.





Quote:
Originally Posted by emkorial (Post 2036292)
(cross posted at xda)

Cause I'm about to return this thing.

Software/OS wise:

- I guess this is an Android "thing", but the phone is constanly launching random programs in the background that I had nothing to do with, and it noticeably slows the phone down. If I see Sense stuttering, I'll run ATK, kill the dozen or so random things thta somehow launched all by themselves, and the phone is snappy again. Today I was typing a text message, and the phone was so slow, it was only registering one character every 5 seconds or so in the message. I went tho ATK, a whole shitload of random stuff was running, I killed it all, text messaging goes back to normal. How can you use an OS that randomly launches apps that degrade system performance? And as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the apps, or keep them from randomly launching on thier own in the background. I thought Android apps running in the background were supposed to not use any resources? But these a re having a noticible impact, clear as day. Sluggish UI, run ATK, kill the apps, silky smooth UI.

- I despise threaded SMS and you can't turn it off.

- I hate the little gray faces in the people list, and you can't turn them off

- Don't like the transparent folder backgrounds, and you can't do anything about it.

Hardware wise:
- The volume rocker is in a terrible positoin and is way to easy to accidentally hit. And apparently you need root to do anything about by remapping the keys

- If the phone is locked, sliding out the keyboard just a little bit wakes up the phone unlocked. andthen when trying to slide the KB back in you end up hitting buttons and hittingthe volume rocker, it's just annoying

- Suffers from the iPhone 4 "holding the phone in your righthand cuts your signal strength by 3 bars" problem

I mean, by themselves, none of these is a huge deal (except the OS slowing itself to a crawl, WTF is up with that?), but add them all up, on tp of the fact I'm paying $30 more a month over my Mogul, and I think this thing is going back to the Sprint store this weekend.

Kinda shocking that 5 years later the latest Androis phone still can;t match my Mogul in terms of useability.

envy174 01-19-2011 09:11 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
whats going on folks how is the battery life compared to the evo and epic no 1 has complained about that unless i missed it lol

haus 01-20-2011 11:33 AM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
My battery life is abysmal compared to my TP2. Then again I looked at my Sprint account and apparently I used 5x the amount of data on the Shift in the first 7 days I owned it compared to the first 7 days of the month while I was still on the TP2.

My theory is twofold. First, I suspect Android is phoning home and sending stuff to places I don't even want to think about. It's probably all in the fine print somewhere. Second, the native news, weather, and stock apps are set to update much more frequently than I'd like. Today I turned them off completely just to see if it makes a difference.

But the biggest driver for me is the screen, according to the "what's using my battery" page. I use brightness at 25%.

Last night at 11pm my battery was at 20-30% (I don't recall the exact number but it was orange in the notification area). With the TP2, same operator usage pattern (meaning stuff I'm doing vs. stuff the phone is doing on its own/in the background) I'd be at 80% at the same time. Maybe 70% if I had a long conference call during the day.

Needless to say I'm looking for a good rechargeable battery pack with a built-in MicroUSB connector, since getting the battery door off this phone is harder than doing my taxes.

toddpedersen 01-20-2011 12:10 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
For starters, it takes 3 or 4 charges and discharges before the battery is broken in and will provide good life. Not sure how far along you are in that process.

I would also recommend you access your TALK icon from applications and go to settings and turn of the Auto Sign in and then log off. This of course is only applicable if you don't use Google Talk on a regular basis.

I also suggest you turn off the Auto Brightness and install a free app called Brightness Profiles. Then add the app icon to your home screen for easy access. I run my Normal profile at 25%, Low at 0% and High at 100%.

I have installed a program called JuiceDefender which is free and gives you tones of automated settings to converve battery life with respect to your Data. You will need Ultimate Juice for someting like $4 if you want WiFi to be controlled based on location and to have access to the weekend peak and off peak settings. Well worth the money in my opinion.

I get two days before I have to charge it, but I do turn it of at night.


Quote:
Originally Posted by haus (Post 2040792)
My battery life is abysmal compared to my TP2. Then again I looked at my Sprint account and apparently I used 5x the amount of data on the Shift in the first 7 days I owned it compared to the first 7 days of the month while I was still on the TP2.

My theory is twofold. First, I suspect Android is phoning home and sending stuff to places I don't even want to think about. It's probably all in the fine print somewhere. Second, the native news, weather, and stock apps are set to update much more frequently than I'd like. Today I turned them off completely just to see if it makes a difference.

But the biggest driver for me is the screen, according to the "what's using my battery" page. I use brightness at 25%.

Last night at 11pm my battery was at 20-30% (I don't recall the exact number but it was orange in the notification area). With the TP2, same operator usage pattern (meaning stuff I'm doing vs. stuff the phone is doing on its own/in the background) I'd be at 80% at the same time. Maybe 70% if I had a long conference call during the day.

Needless to say I'm looking for a good rechargeable battery pack with a built-in MicroUSB connector, since getting the battery door off this phone is harder than doing my taxes.

envy174 01-20-2011 05:39 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
just the things we need to do just to save battery life i mean we pay so much money on a cell phone we cant even use the way we want to use it not only that they dont even ship the phone with cases no more lmfaoo then we try 3rd party batterys just to make it work but all said and done i still end up buying the phone its addictive lol (thanx haus and todd for the break down ill keep it in mind when i recieve my phone thanx

haus 01-20-2011 06:34 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by toddpedersen (Post 2040811)
For starters, it takes 3 or 4 charges and discharges before the battery is broken in and will provide good life. Not sure how far along you are in that process.
I have done everything you mentioned in your post already. I got the phone on the 7th or 8th of this month, so I'm well past 3-4 charges (I charge it nightly and sometimes during the day if I know I'm going to be away from a charger into the evening). I've tried 2 different batteries, including one that is brand new which gave great performance on the TP2 for the last couple of weeks since I got it.

I have an IMAP account that has to poll fairly frequently during business hours, so I set it to 15 minutes. I know that eats battery, and once my current project is over I hope to set it back to 30 or 60 minutes. That will probably help. Other than that, for me battery life is something I'm getting used to worrying about again.

toddpedersen 01-21-2011 09:40 AM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
Sprint has the rechargable battery pack for the micro usb. $30 on their website.




Quote:
Originally Posted by haus (Post 2040792)
My battery life is abysmal compared to my TP2. Then again I looked at my Sprint account and apparently I used 5x the amount of data on the Shift in the first 7 days I owned it compared to the first 7 days of the month while I was still on the TP2.

My theory is twofold. First, I suspect Android is phoning home and sending stuff to places I don't even want to think about. It's probably all in the fine print somewhere. Second, the native news, weather, and stock apps are set to update much more frequently than I'd like. Today I turned them off completely just to see if it makes a difference.

But the biggest driver for me is the screen, according to the "what's using my battery" page. I use brightness at 25%.

Last night at 11pm my battery was at 20-30% (I don't recall the exact number but it was orange in the notification area). With the TP2, same operator usage pattern (meaning stuff I'm doing vs. stuff the phone is doing on its own/in the background) I'd be at 80% at the same time. Maybe 70% if I had a long conference call during the day.

Needless to say I'm looking for a good rechargeable battery pack with a built-in MicroUSB connector, since getting the battery door off this phone is harder than doing my taxes.

dumpringz 01-21-2011 01:39 PM
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I dont like how the screen goes out of wack on the browser when rotating or sliding out keyboard. it would be nicer for it to automatically re adjust. the keyboard is amazing compared to the epic which I came from. volume rocker as we all know is in a bad spot ... one thing that annoys me is the obvious drop in signal when cupping the phone as well as after scrolling a page I have to wait a second before I can click a link.

haus 01-22-2011 09:31 PM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
After half a day of very un-scientific testing, turning GPS off seems to be helping the battery life. I am going to try leaving it off and just using the widget to turn it on when I plan to use it.

dkd711 02-27-2011 12:59 AM
Re: List of issues, any solutions?
 
DOn't use Automatic task Killers! thy interfer with Androids built in killer and makes your OS laggy and buggy. Coming from a Touch Pro Wmobile phone back in the day to an EVO and Now the Shift I hated Threaded sms too, but after a few weeks I grew to love it. As with any major change it takes a bit of time to get used to. Put a case on it and the Vol button is not an issues anymore. Or get Buttonremapper from the market and set it to something else.


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