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itouch24 05-25-2010 10:23 AM

16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...c+16gb&x=0&y=0

$40 BUCKS FOR 16gb, class 6 , lifetime warranty .. sounds like a great deal

tool2269 05-25-2010 10:33 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
not all of those are MICRO cards

MiniEOD 05-25-2010 10:40 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
yeah man, that first hit is a regular SD card... good luck fitting that in your phone

Pao 05-25-2010 11:08 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Cheapest Micro class 6 is $58. I'm not going down that road.

itouch24 05-25-2010 11:28 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
good catch .. still sleeeping over here

hyabusha 05-25-2010 12:32 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Got my 16GB MicroSD Class 10 In hand for $89.99.

Great feeling. ^_^

themuffinman 05-25-2010 01:08 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I will most likely upgrade to a 16gb class 4 or 6.

Drac 05-25-2010 01:58 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I want to, but will prolly wait until we're updated with froyo so I can do app to card storage and prices have possibly dropped a bit on the cards. then again, if I find a good enough deal on one, it's mineminemineallmine! *L*

tokuzumi 05-25-2010 02:34 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
When the Class 6 16gb cards get to ~$40. $70-80 is too steep for me.

tool2269 05-25-2010 02:39 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tokuzumi (Post 1773293)
When the Class 6 16gb cards get to ~$40. $70-80 is too steep for me.


this one is 57.99 free ship, no tax
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-378-_-Product

tokuzumi 05-25-2010 02:53 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tool2269 (Post 1773312)
this one is 57.99 free ship, no tax
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-378-_-Product

I'm patient. I "only" have a 4 gb in my Hero now. It's not even close to maxed out.

blockhead428 05-25-2010 03:45 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Ordered a 16GB Class 6 off of Amazon for about 60.

hyabusha 05-25-2010 04:49 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Got my Kingston microSD 16GB Class 10.

http://www.adorama.com/Als/ProductPa...DC1016GSP.html

Cicatrize 05-25-2010 09:34 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I'm keeping my class 4 8GB until the 32GB goes under $100

tool2269 05-25-2010 10:44 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cicatrize (Post 1774279)
I'm keeping my class 4 8GB until the 32GB goes under $100


might be waiting awhile. I saw that the same 16gb class 2 card I bought a year ago has barely gone down any in pricing on newegg.

i wonder if they're going to introduce some higher class 32gb cards. the one that is out is only class 2 right?

Cicatrize 05-26-2010 10:09 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tool2269 (Post 1774423)
might be waiting awhile. I saw that the same 16gb class 2 card I bought a year ago has barely gone down any in pricing on newegg.

i wonder if they're going to introduce some higher class 32gb cards. the one that is out is only class 2 right?

Yep, only class 2.

USMarineNCO 05-26-2010 11:15 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
16GB Class 4 MicroUSB for a steal at Amazon!
http://www.amazon.com/TOPRAM-microSD...886842&sr=8-16

Drac 05-26-2010 11:49 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by USMarineNCO (Post 1775101)
16GB Class 4 MicroUSB for a steal at Amazon!
http://www.amazon.com/TOPRAM-microSD...886842&sr=8-16

after reading reviews of a couple of their other cards, not so sure it's a good deal. some reviews were saying their full sized cards that were labeled as class 6 were only clocking class 2 speeds and another review said the casings on the full sized cards broke and fell apart sometimes while in a device.

adenicol 05-27-2010 05:55 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I'm new to the Android platform so I will ask this... if I get the phone with the regular 8gig card then later want to upgrade to the 16 or 32 gig card, can I just pop that into my PC and copy from one card to another (fat, fat32 format) or are the cards formatted in a linux format that will keep me from just copying them over easily on a windows PC?

tokuzumi 05-27-2010 06:06 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adenicol (Post 1777730)
I'm new to the Android platform so I will ask this... if I get the phone with the regular 8gig card then later want to upgrade to the 16 or 32 gig card, can I just pop that into my PC and copy from one card to another (fat, fat32 format) or are the cards formatted in a linux format that will keep me from just copying them over easily on a windows PC?

All you have to do is copy the info from one card to another. If you root the phone, and use Apps2SD, the process is a little more complicated (not much). But, for a stock phone, just copy the files to the new card. You may want to format the new card using your phone, and then transfer the files over, just to be safe.

adenicol 05-27-2010 08:41 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
guess it would be easier to just get the 16 gig from the start. Thanks for the info.

stroths 05-27-2010 09:27 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I am contemplating a 16gb class 6, but have a hard time justifying $60 for it. I can get a 16GB class 2 for about $30 right now on OfficeDepot's website, but I don't want a class 2.

I may just use my current 8gb class 4 until the class 6 come down a bit.

TheBundo 05-29-2010 03:44 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I'll take the class 6 16 gig card out of my TP2 before I sell it, and put in an old small card. I already have 13 gigs full on the TP2, so I can only imagine a 32 gig will be needed before years end.

themuffinman 05-29-2010 07:13 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Well, I just bought 2 16gb class 6 cards from ebay for $50 each with free shipping. Damn I can't for this phone to come out, 6 more days.

stroths 05-29-2010 10:20 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I posted this in another thread, but it applies here as well:

I was going to wait for a class 6 16GB Micro SD, but I got such a great deal on a Sandisk 16GB Micro SD (Class 2) that I could not pass it up. I got it from Office Depot for $23.76 out the door.

They have it on their website for about $32, but it's delivery only. They carry the same model in store, but its a different SKU and priced at $99. I asked them to price match their website which they did with no problem, which surprised me since the SKU was different. I will mention that they are the exact same model though (SDSQ-016G-A11M) regardless of the SKU.

Anyways, I used THIS office depot to get $10 off my purchase. It may not be super fast, but it should be very reliable being that it's a Sandisk and it was dirt cheap.

Tested it with Crystal Disk Mark on my PC with a card reader and got about 18mb read and 9mb write on the sequential and 512k runs which isn't too bad for a $23 16GB MicroSD

The 4k weren't as great, but still I can work with this card. Below are the benchmark details.

EDIT: I added benchmarks for my 8gb Kingston Class 4 that I use in my TP2. The benchmarks on the 16gb Class 2 actually look better. That is odd.

EDIT 2: I added some more test results to ensure my results are accurate.

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : Crystal Dew World
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]
OS : Windows 7 [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)

Here is my Sandisk 16GB Class 2 Micro SDHC

Test 1: 50 MB [L: 6.7% (1.0/14.8 GB)] (x1)

Sequential Read : 17.957 MB/s
Sequential Write : 8.971 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 17.961 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 2.092 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 4.004 MB/s [ 977.5 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.022 MB/s [ 5.3 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 4.061 MB/s [ 991.4 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.033 MB/s [ 8.1 IOPS]
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Test 2: 100 MB [L: 6.6% (1.0/14.8 GB)] (x5)

Sequential Read : 17.914 MB/s
Sequential Write : 9.358 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 17.922 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 2.131 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 4.020 MB/s [ 981.4 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.020 MB/s [ 4.9 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 4.096 MB/s [ 1000.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.027 MB/s [ 6.6 IOPS]
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Test 3: 500 MB [L: 6.6% (1.0/14.8 GB)] (x2)

Sequential Read : 17.921 MB/s
Sequential Write : 9.434 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 17.816 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 1.950 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 3.555 MB/s [ 867.9 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.019 MB/s [ 4.7 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 3.868 MB/s [ 944.3 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.020 MB/s [ 4.9 IOPS]
---------------------------

Here is my Kingston 8GB Class 4 MicroSDHC
(currently used in my TP2)

Test 1: 50 MB [L: 46.5% (3532.5/7592.0 MB)] (x1)

Sequential Read : 18.550 MB/s
Sequential Write : 8.953 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 18.553 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 1.620 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 4.011 MB/s [ 979.2 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.017 MB/s [ 4.2 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 3.901 MB/s [ 952.4 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.030 MB/s [ 7.3 IOPS]
----------------

Test 2: 100 MB [L: 46.5% (3532.5/7592.0 MB)] (x5)

Sequential Read : 18.505 MB/s
Sequential Write : 9.547 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 18.479 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 1.978 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 3.860 MB/s [ 942.4 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.017 MB/s [ 4.2 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 3.865 MB/s [ 943.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.024 MB/s [ 5.8 IOPS]
--------------

Test 3 : 500 MB [L: 46.5% (3532.5/7592.0 MB)] (x2)

Sequential Read : 18.512 MB/s
Sequential Write : 10.413 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 18.181 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 1.724 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 3.942 MB/s [ 962.3 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.017 MB/s [ 4.2 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 3.891 MB/s [ 949.9 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.018 MB/s [ 4.4 IOPS]
-------------------
Here is a Kingston 8GB Class 4 regular size SDHC (not micro)

Test 1 : 50 MB [L: 0.0% (0.1/7592.0 MB)] (x1)

Sequential Read : 16.853 MB/s
Sequential Write : 9.397 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 16.826 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 1.681 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 4.074 MB/s [ 994.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.039 MB/s [ 9.6 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 4.089 MB/s [ 998.3 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.063 MB/s [ 15.3 IOPS]

gTen 05-30-2010 01:54 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Your tests were only done 1x...you need to do more then that to get accurate results...also you'd want to try different file size samples based on usage.

But yes Class only stands for the "minimum" speed..the maximum speed could be on par with a Class 6...but for high video you want to make sure to have a good minimum to prevent shutter.

Goes to one of my favorite sayings

"Then there is the man who drowned while crossing a stream that was, on average, 6 inches deep"

stroths 05-30-2010 08:04 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Thanks for the advice gTen. Just updated my stats and I see a little bit of a speed increase now. I am pretty satisfied with my purchase considering the price.

Drac 05-30-2010 03:12 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stroths (Post 1781417)
I posted this in another thread, but it applies here as well:

I was going to wait for a class 6 16GB Micro SD, but I got such a great deal on a Sandisk 16GB Micro SD (Class 2) that I could not pass it up. I got it from Office Depot for $23.76 out the door.

They have it on their website for about $32, but it's delivery only. They carry the same model in store, but its a different SKU and priced at $99. I asked them to price match their website which they did with no problem, which surprised me since the SKU was different. I will mention that they are the exact same model though (SDSQ-016G-A11M) regardless of the SKU.

Anyways, I used THIS office depot to get $10 off my purchase. It may not be super fast, but it should be very reliable being that it's a Sandisk and it was dirt cheap.

Tested it with Crystal Disk Mark on my PC with a card reader and got about 18mb read and 9mb write on the sequential and 512k runs which isn't too bad for a $23 16GB MicroSD

just went to an office depot and they wouldn't price match.

stroths 05-30-2010 06:48 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Sorry it didn't work out for you, but it's always a gamble with a pricematch like this one. If you don't mind paying around $33 shipped, you can get a similar one here - LINK

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Another thing I should mention (unrelated to the price of the card) is that cluster size can make a difference in how the card responds. The smaller the cluster size, the less wasted space you have. However, it also slows the responsiveness of the card down overall. A larger cluster size (i.e. 32k) will make your card more responsive, but will also waste more space. For example, a 1k file will take up the full 32k in the latter scenario. If you had 4k clusters, you would only be using 4k for that same file.

If you have a lot of files less than 32k then you might be better off formatting the card with 4k clusters. Otherwise, I would suggest the larger cluster size of 32k to get a better response out of your card.

I have done this in the past with slow SD cards to get a better response. For example, on my hacked GPS unit with all the maps on the SD I used the larger 32k clusters from the default 4k. After doing that and copying my files back over, I had next to no lag. With the 4k clusters, I would regularly get lag as the GPS software was reading the map files.

I have also done this on my media server, but I used 64k clusters there. This was suggested over at the SageTV forums (which is what I run on my media center). This got rid of stuttering I was experiencing on HD movies and tv shows.

To format to a new cluster size, simply right click on the drive in Windows and choose format. Choose quick format, FAT32, pick your cluster size and I would suggest you check the "quick format" unless you have a lot of time to burn. WARNING: A format will wipe all data from the card, so backup anything you need. If you don't have a way of mounting the card on a PC, you might google to see what other options you have for formatting.

If your want to see your current cluster size in WIndows, go to a command prompt and type "Chkdsk X:" (without quotes) where X is your MicroSD drive letter. You will get some outpul that will include something like mine 32,768 bytes in each allocation unit. This means mine is currently at 32k (32,768 bytes).

There's lots of literature you can read online about this and its pretty common. Below is a quote I pulled from one site that explains why larger clusters can increase performance.

Quote:

What is an issue is how fast your system can read and write files from the hard drive. The larger the cluster size - the larger "chunks" that are fetched from the drive. This speeds up performance. For example, many drives were formatted with 4k clusters. This means to read 32k of data, the system must perform eight fetches - 4k per fetch. If you had instead formatted the same drive using 32k clusters, the system would only have to perform one fetch.

adenicol 05-30-2010 09:59 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I hope I didn't just screw myself...bought a 16 gig no-name class 6 card on ebay. I hope It's not a piece of crap... Can someone give me their opinion on this? http://bit.ly/d9T6y6

themuffinman 05-30-2010 10:12 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adenicol (Post 1782774)
I hope I didn't just screw myself...bought a 16 gig no-name class 6 card on ebay. I hope It's not a piece of crap... Can someone give me their opinion on this? http://bit.ly/d9T6y6

LOL, I just bought 2 kingmax 16 gig class 6 card from them yesterday but it was $51 each. I saw that listing as well but I kind of shied away since it was a no name brand. Actually I don't know too much about kingmax either but I know a couple of people that bought that brand from that same seller from ebay and the cards have been working great so far.

adenicol 05-30-2010 10:24 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I saw the kingmax and also some topram cards but I have never heard of either of them so I figured the no name brand would probably be just as good as those.

themuffinman 05-30-2010 10:50 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adenicol (Post 1782813)
I saw the kingmax and also some topram cards but I have never heard of either of them so I figured the no name brand would probably be just as good as those.

Well topram have been around for a while, I have used a few of them back in the minisd card days. I never really had to much luck with topram so I took my chances with kingmax, atleast they have a lifetime warranty, I think.

honduranthunder 05-31-2010 12:15 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by themuffinman (Post 1782855)
Well topram have been around for a while, I have used a few of them back in the minisd card days. I never really had to much luck with topram so I took my chances with kingmax, atleast they have a lifetime warranty, I think.


You said you haven't had much luck with TopRam. Can you explain in more detail? this is what I bought from Amazon.. a TopRam 16gb sdhc class4 with accessories.. any thoughts? http://www.amazon.com/TOPRAM-microSD...5279100&sr=8-3

Drac 05-31-2010 06:22 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
kingston 16g class 2 for 20 bucks.
http://www.adorama.com/Als/ProductPa....html#Overview

this deal is now dead. got an email saying it's back ordered plus the price has now gone up and it's listed as back ordered on the site.

themuffinman 05-31-2010 08:28 AM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by honduranthunder (Post 1782987)
You said you haven't had much luck with TopRam. Can you explain in more detail? this is what I bought from Amazon.. a TopRam 16gb sdhc class4 with accessories.. any thoughts? http://www.amazon.com/TOPRAM-microSD...5279100&sr=8-3

Well, I have about 4 topram cards downstairs that have all failed on me. At some point all my files would simply just disappear. Again though this is with minisd cards when they were the in thing like 5 to 6 years ago. Basically, lets say I had a 2gig card with 1.2 gig worth of stuff on it, once it failed it will say that I have nothing on the card and only .8gig of space available. I tried formatting and that didn't seem to help the issue since it eventually came back, so I haven't bought a topram card since. But hey I wouldn't be to worried, I probably just had a bad batch of cards or something. I mean if they were that bad and had such a high failure rate in general, I doubt they would still be in business to this day right? So don't worry I am sure you will be just fine.

adenicol 05-31-2010 07:34 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I don't plan on keeping my generic 5 or 6 years, lucky if it makes it 2 years before I upgrade either to 32gb or a new phone.

themuffinman 05-31-2010 07:41 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adenicol (Post 1784024)
I don't plan on keeping my generic 5 or 6 years, lucky if it makes it 2 years before I upgrade either to 32gb or a new phone.

I haven't been using them that long, I just had them years ago and they all failed with in the first 2 months of me actually using them.

themuffinman 06-03-2010 06:20 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
Woohooo, my 16 gig class 6 cards just came in the mail, cant wait till the morning.

510jungleboy 06-05-2010 06:59 PM

Re: 16GB SDHC card .. who is upgrading there 8?
 
I'm gonna go for the 32GB ......


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