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w0rdie 09-07-2007 10:34 AM

Windows Mobile 6 Kitchen ETA
 
Hoping for some estimation or even a rough guess at when we might see a tweaked version of WM6 in the form of a kitchen? I'm sure it's been asked but I haven't seen a topic yet... so anyone have the scoop?

specv 09-07-2007 10:58 AM

maybe if you rush them they will get it done sooner, or just let them do their thing. If this info was available im sure there would be a post about it

Hexatron 09-07-2007 11:18 AM

Hey, don't be a dick, he was just putting out there what alot of us are wondering. We all know it will be out when its ready and asking doesn't help, but at any rate be nice :)

HostileJava 09-07-2007 11:32 AM

I know I'll be waiting till a lot of the bugs are cleaned up since I need a functional device. I'm sure by then they kitchen will be out.

FastRX8 09-07-2007 11:40 AM

Actually, I think making a thread about this question is a great idea.
We've all been wondering, and I've even been guilty of bringing it up in the chat room the first day WM6 was out.

The worst thing we can do is to start bugging the guys that are making the kitchen.
If there is an entire thread dedicated to the question of "When", all the people that want to ask, will just come here, and they won't keep pestering the people making the kitchen.

All the kitchen makers have to do is avoid this thread, and they won't be bothered by it.
And, hopefully one of them will chime in one day and tell us it's ready or in beta testing or "In Your Dreams".

bunvilla 09-07-2007 12:23 PM

if the rom has been made already / what process is involved in making the kitchen.
i was under the impression that the kitchen allows us to add stuff and remove unnecessary or undesired stuff. what is it that they do to create a kitchen out of a rom release???? the utilities used are they different from the others utilities we use to make the kitchens for wm5.

or is it all the options that they make available in the kitchen but have to right up reg or config file to properly have them installed. do the have to break down the cab files also so they will install right?? just wondering thats all

thanks for your time

pierocksmysocks 09-07-2007 12:40 PM

Just throwing my $0.02 out there, "good things come to those that wait."

I can't wait for a kitchen, but hey by all means take your time if it means that the bugs will be ironed out.

Oh yeah and thanks again to the savvy folks who're cranking this out :)

Torx 09-07-2007 12:40 PM

i'll wait for an "R4" release before testing..
i got a perfect iphone theme going on and i def dont wanna ruin that right now..

im pretty patient, but im checking these forums a couple times a day waiting for that "special" thread... lol

hefman 09-07-2007 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunvilla (Post 84038)
if the rom has been made already / what process is involved in making the kitchen.
i was under the impression that the kitchen allows us to add stuff and remove unnecessary or undesired stuff. what is it that they do to create a kitchen out of a rom release???? the utilities used are they different from the others utilities we use to make the kitchens for wm5.

or is it all the options that they make available in the kitchen but have to right up reg or config file to properly have them installed. do the have to break down the cab files also so they will install right?? just wondering thats all

thanks for your time

Like everyone else, I'm curious too, but I'm patient. I'm sure I'll be jumping on the first kitchen that comes out though...

I doubt it's a trivial thing to create a kitchen from a brand new ROM. I'm sure there will be lots of testing required for the encoding tools and all the OEMs, etc. Personally, I'd rather they get some of the quirks ironed out (like secured wifi or threaded sms :D ) before releasing it anyway. That way, we don't have to have 6 or 7 different revs of kitchen.

pierocksmysocks 09-07-2007 01:27 PM

Keep in mind they're trying to work out the bugs that are currently present in the WM6 rom. Call it "experimental" if you will, they wanted to get feedback so they could iron them out and have a beautifully working kitchen for everyone.

w0rdie 09-07-2007 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by specv (Post 83999)
maybe if you rush them they will get it done sooner, or just let them do their thing. If this info was available im sure there would be a post about it

Maybe if you're an ass your weak points will be communicated more effectively, although that doesn't seem to be the case so far.

omegax 09-07-2007 01:31 PM

If you guys are that impatient donate to the guy and motivate em. I'm sure hes doing all he can.

kyppcgeek 09-07-2007 01:34 PM

ok kids settle down. LOL

The kitchen is due out in a few weeks.

Since this is new software then the backend has to be updated and adjusted accordingly.

Let them fix it before you rush to brick your phone.

unitypunk 09-07-2007 03:52 PM

good things come to those who wait..

lol good point pie...

:)

i could wait for ever for the kitchen.

the wm6 rom is basicly stable for me. (ive found a few things to break it..)

:)

ksg 09-07-2007 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hefman (Post 84067)
Like everyone else, I'm curious too, but I'm patient. I'm sure I'll be jumping on the first kitchen that comes out though...

I doubt it's a trivial thing to create a kitchen from a brand new ROM. I'm sure there will be lots of testing required for the encoding tools and all the OEMs, etc. Personally, I'd rather they get some of the quirks ironed out (like secured wifi or threaded sms :D ) before releasing it anyway. That way, we don't have to have 6 or 7 different revs of kitchen.

I was going to say the exact same thing. I can wait for the kitchen as long as some of the major show-stoppers were fixed such as wpa wifi (the biggest one for me).

Palm Threaded SMS will be nice also, but the biggest hindrance of my acceptance of WM6 is the fact that I can't connect to the wpa-tkip network at my house.

Plus, with the information in this thread: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=1904 can't you already make your own custom rom/kitchen if you were so inclined? I'd rather see the bugs ironed out.

IM0001 09-07-2007 04:12 PM

That WPA WIFI issue was also the same issue we had with our X50V's when it was first released. Now there is a slight glitch getting wifi turned on and such but after a few tweeks and all, WM06 seams to be pretty darn stable and quick. Awesome to see that on a 4 year old device lol.

Cant wait for the kitchen so my 6700 can join the WM06 gang. Though the X50v rom is a newer version of WM06 itself, i wonder if that in part is the reason the Wifi issue was broke? hmm..

gguruusa 09-07-2007 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meh123 (Post 84157)
Plus, with the information in this thread: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=1904 can't you already make your own custom rom/kitchen if you were so inclined? I'd rather see the bugs ironed out.

sort of. It's a full ROM, so choosing what to pull out to make room isn't necessarily straight forward. Particularly if you want to clean the registry at the same time (which you should if you're pulling anything significant out). It's a lot easier to just wait for the kitchen.

gxnext 09-07-2007 04:31 PM

its funny that ppl are talking about wpa-tkip not working with the wm6 rom, because it works just fine for me... i have the belkin pre n router.. maybe it has something to do with the router u have... i mean let me just say before i continue, i absolutly have no idea what im talking about but... maybe this wm6 rom is missing certin "router drivers" so to speak... and thats why it's working fine for me and not some others... because I'm defitnally useing the wpa2-tkip settings as a matter of fact... but again I don't really know why its working for me and others are finding that its not..

Quote:

Originally Posted by meh123 (Post 84157)
I was going to say the exact same thing. I can wait for the kitchen as long as some of the major show-stoppers were fixed such as wpa wifi (the biggest one for me).

Palm Threaded SMS will be nice also, but the biggest hindrance of my acceptance of WM6 is the fact that I can't connect to the wpa-tkip network at my house.

Plus, with the information in this thread: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=1904 can't you already make your own custom rom/kitchen if you were so inclined? I'd rather see the bugs ironed out.


gguruusa 09-07-2007 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rdie (Post 84073)
Maybe if you're an ass your weak points will be communicated more effectively, although that doesn't seem to be the case so far.

Honestly w0rdie, was that really necessary?

There are a variety of reasons why there haven't been any posts about a kitchen release, but mainly it's because it's too far away to predict a good ETA. Once Helmi_c finishes his core work, he'll release the WM6 core kitchen files (that's the current plan anyway), and I'm sure you'll see a post about a 1-2 week ETA for a WM6 kitchen.

Rest easy knowing the WM6 ROM is actively being worked on. The bug reports and wishlists are being put to good use.

ksg 09-07-2007 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gxnext (Post 84174)
its funny that ppl are talking about wpa-tkip not working with the wm6 rom, because it works just fine for me... i have the belkin pre n router.. maybe it has something to do with the router u have... i mean let me just say before i continue, i absolutly have no idea what im talking about but... maybe this wm6 rom is missing certin "router drivers" so to speak... and thats why it's working fine for me and not some others... because I'm defitnally useing the wpa2-tkip settings as a matter of fact... but again I don't really know why its working for me and others are finding that its not..

I'm using a Linksys WRT54GS v1.0 running the DD-WRT v23 SP3 firmware at home. Doesn't work. I've also tried it with a Cisco Aironet AP at work. No go.

psiphi 09-07-2007 05:22 PM

Could be waiting to see if there is any truth to the rumor that an official WM6 is due out this month.. I don't believe the rumor, but would still wait a couple weeks before putting out a full kitchen...

blazingwolf 09-07-2007 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rdie (Post 84073)
Maybe if you're an ass your weak points will be communicated more effectively, although that doesn't seem to be the case so far.


That's like the pot calling the kettle black.

You guys need to have patience. If there are show stoppers go back to WM5. No one forced you to use WM6.

Perasite 09-07-2007 07:52 PM

I think w0rdie had a valid point when responding, though he could certainly have worded it better :mrgreen:. There is no need to start a flame war over someone asking a simple question. And I think he's asking a valid question. Many people are wondering and are anxious. We can all be patient, since just a couple weeks ago we all thought WM6 would never work on the 6700.

To those who are working on this:
I hope you don't take offense at anyone asking. Take your time, take a vacation for crying out loud. We all know you do this for free in your spare time. We are interested in knowing, but speaking for myself, I've got all the time in the world to wait, so don't feel rushed.

w0rdie 09-07-2007 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gguruusa (Post 84181)
Honestly w0rdie, was that really necessary?

Just as necessary as his comment to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazingwolf (Post 84196)
That's like the pot calling the kettle black.

You guys need to have patience. If there are show stoppers go back to WM5. No one forced you to use WM6.

Is it? Pot calling the kettle black huh? I would be interested to hear you validate that statement.

Who isn't being patient, at what point did I demand that the developers hurry things along? I merely asked, asking a question do not constitute being impatient.

Moreover, who said I had moved on to WM6?

gguruusa 09-07-2007 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rdie (Post 84260)
Who isn't being patient, at what point did I demand that the developers hurry things along? I merely asked, asking a question do not constitute being impatient.

Your original question was fine. There's a lot of past history in this forum of poeple being demanding (in a reallly offensive way) to the point of driving authors away (it was sad to watch). Consequently, it's become customary in this forum for questions of When? to be answered by Silence from the authors and Shhh from others users. As a developer, I really don't have patience for snively demanding users. As a user, I at least like to know if the project still has a pulse. So - no, it's not ready, and yes, it's very much alive. When the next milestone is reached, you'll read it on PPCGeeks first.

unitypunk 09-09-2007 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gguruusa (Post 84306)
Your original question was fine. There's a lot of past history in this forum of poeple being demanding (in a reallly offensive way) to the point of driving authors away (it was sad to watch). Consequently, it's become customary in this forum for questions of When? to be answered by Silence from the authors and Shhh from others users. As a developer, I really don't have patience for snively demanding users. As a user, I at least like to know if the project still has a pulse. So - no, it's not ready, and yes, it's very much alive. When the next milestone is reached, you'll read it on PPCGeeks first.


isnt like... EVERYTHING posted here first...

i love this community lol...

colonel 09-09-2007 03:00 AM

Sadly, you can very easily make your own WM6 roms with information that is here in the forums. I realize that it is not the easiest thing to do, but it is possible. That said, we are working on Helmi's time schedule. I could put out a kitchen in a day or two, but that would not be respectful to Helmi and his wishes/work. So, we wait.

Now, WM6 will take quite a while to get a kitchen that everyone will be happy with. As we have seen, there are quite a few bugs and issues with the release rom that will take time to work through. As a reference, with the Bell 3.3(ish) kitchen, it took a couple weeks. And, this was a rom that was designed for the Apache. So I would say that if you really "need" a custom WM6 rom, come find me and I will point you in the right direction as to making your own with the "old, manual method". Or, have some patience and wait for a good product. Last I checked, our pay stubs from kitchen development was lacking in hours paid:mrgreen:(Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to sound bitchy).

blazingwolf 09-09-2007 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rdie (Post 84260)
Just as necessary as his comment to me.


Is it? Pot calling the kettle black huh? I would be interested to hear you validate that statement.

Who isn't being patient, at what point did I demand that the developers hurry things along? I merely asked, asking a question do not constitute being impatient.

Moreover, who said I had moved on to WM6?

Very easy to validate. You thought he was rude so you needed to take it a step further by cussing at him. Wouldn't that make you the ass you so easily stated he was?

iggy 09-09-2007 04:35 PM

Brothers of the PPC Junkies, can we all settle down now since the point of this thread was to find out when we are getting the kitchen and now that we all know its going to be a few weeks, settle down.

You are all right and you are all wrong, that is the beauty of the cycle of life. Now lets all hold hands and do the happy dance.

pierocksmysocks 09-09-2007 06:00 PM

Perhaps it'd be a good idea if people made suggestions as to what they'd like to see included in the kitchens? Eg: the SDHC files, perhaps a custom PPCGeeks welcomehead96, etc. You know? (Unless I'm overlooking a thread that's asking for suggestions..not counting the bugs thread.)

Raging Idiot 09-09-2007 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iggy (Post 84953)
Brothers of the PPC Junkies, can we all settle down now since the point of this thread was to find out when we are getting the kitchen and now that we all know its going to be a few weeks, settle down.

You are all right and you are all wrong, that is the beauty of the cycle of life. Now lets all hold hands and do the happy dance.


What an asshole thing to say.

Raging Idiot :mrgreen:

Torx 09-09-2007 08:47 PM

i want to see the latest pocketcm apps available on the kitchen, although they get updated like every other day! lol

also, everything that was in the 1.0.4 wm5 kitchen, musicid, , etc..
also, nargalzius' iphone keypad theme
weatherpanel+moon and update fixes
latest flashvideobundle+tcmp

iggy 09-09-2007 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raging Idiot (Post 85048)
What an asshole thing to say.

Raging Idiot :mrgreen:

Only if I am talking through my ass.

iggy 09-09-2007 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torx (Post 85056)
i want to see the latest pocketcm apps available on the kitchen, although they get updated like every other day! lol

also, everything that was in the 1.0.4 wm5 kitchen, musicid, , etc..
also, nargalzius' iphone keypad theme
weatherpanel+moon and update fixes
latest flashvideobundle+tcmp

I don't think we really need to compile a list for our ROM God, he normally provides us the know how to add our own custom programs instead of trying to include every program that the entire PPC Geeks Membership would like to have included.

I'd be damn happy to have a kitchen and the knowledge of how (& what is possible to remove) to add what I want to it without breaking it.

pierocksmysocks 09-10-2007 02:21 AM

True, but it could make things a bit easier iggy. Especially since a lot of people ask about specific oems after the kitchens come out. Just saves a little bit of trouble, and of course it's just a request, not a demand.

Maxx134 09-10-2007 07:33 AM

Just noticed this thread on eliminating/merging extrom into larger rom area:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=8177

Would be great to implement before kitchen comes out.

Edit:
Then again it might also set back kitchen date!
Still its looks like a great idea.

mellon 09-10-2007 08:43 AM

i cannot wait to see the kitchen. but i know it would take time and efforts.

Surfer 09-10-2007 08:54 AM

Personally, I'm patiently awaiting A) Verizon to release the xv6800, and B) Helmi_C's
cooked xv6800 ROM that will eventually bloom from the xv6800's release.

For me, the WM6 xv6700 ROM was the single greatest upgrade for my Apache since I
got my first one *I'm on my second Apache*.

But I'm way stoked with my WM6 Apache...this place rocks.

-Surfer

w0rdie 09-10-2007 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazingwolf (Post 84840)
Very easy to validate. You thought he was rude so you needed to take it a step further by cussing at him. Wouldn't that make you the ass you so easily stated he was?

He was being an ass (without reason I should add), I pointed that fact out. You've now asked if that makes me an ass, perhaps it does -- "easily stated"... ha.

Torx 09-10-2007 01:23 PM

well i mean, in every consecutive kitchen release there were new programs being added.
those being ones that were heavily requested.


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