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gholaleto 03-17-2008 11:27 AM

6.1 Battery Issue
 
I recently upgraded to 6.1. With 5.0 AKU 3.3, the battery used to last about 10 hours. With 6.1, it is only lasting about 4 hours. Anyone know why this might be, and have a way to fix it?

Thanks

violentz313 03-17-2008 07:03 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
im having the same exact problem i was just about to make a post. I even installed the battery hacks in the new kitchen and nothing. I go from full charge to less then 60% ater browsing no more then 3 sites. My beam is off my backlight turned way down and still nothing please someone help

tr2518 03-17-2008 08:13 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I was just bragging at work today about how I'm getting the best battery life from this latest 6.1 upgrade. I took it off the charger around 6am this morning and I just hit 20% at 8pm.

scheel78 03-17-2008 08:20 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I have dcd's 6.1 rom and I can go almost two days with moderate use, on one charge.

pdx77 03-17-2008 08:49 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheel78 (Post 221390)
I have dcd's 6.1 rom and I can go almost two days with moderate use, on one charge.

There's a differece though, we are talking about the Apache, you have the 6800.

gholaleto 03-17-2008 08:56 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I may have to downgrade back to 5.0. 6.0 is too unstable. 6.1 is very stable, but the battery issue is too much.

sunny1974 03-17-2008 11:47 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
i can confirm that.. and my battery is brand new. its way less than 6 and i think 6 was lesser than 5. reason enough to downgrade.
once it went down so fast that i was surprised. from 70pc to a shutdown in my pocket that is zero percent in 4 hours.. no calls or anything.. no wifi or beam its strange i think sum program is leaking.or sumthing.. after soft resetting it doesnt dischage so fast but it doesnt last as long for sure. asb battery meter showed 39 at idling with screen off and bluetooth on and 6 was around the same i think .. but i guess it sucks more power when its on.
i did check the batterbtw y hacks from the kitchen.
btw the slot cycle index in pstn was set to 0... was 0 in wm6 also.. that is the quickest one.. does it matter?

imnuts 03-18-2008 10:16 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I'm still getting about 2 days of use out of my phone on a full charge. And I found that the battery hacks caused me several problems when included in my ROM. It locked up my phone when it turned off and the phone wouldn't turn back on without resetting it.

CopyCounsler 03-18-2008 02:05 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
sunny: slot cycle index in pstn was set to 0.

set your slot cycle index to 1, 0 will drain the battery like you are experiencing.

Copy

Gervy 03-18-2008 02:58 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CopyCounsler (Post 222050)
sunny: slot cycle index in pstn was set to 0.

set your slot cycle index to 1, 0 will drain the battery like you are experiencing.

Copy

Please describe in detail how to change this for some of us not in the loop.

Maxx134 03-18-2008 03:51 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I don't belive the slot cycle will have the impact you guys are experiencing. I am not experiencing that bad a difference either, but then I have not setup any email yet.

Data connecting for whatever reason usually gives this type of problem.

violentz313 03-18-2008 04:06 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
that could be i have my data connection set to always on can someone help me with the the reg edit to turn it off?

iggy 03-18-2008 07:35 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Hi guys, quick question with the 6.1 ROM I am unable to set power options to turn off the power after X number of mins. (amount does not matter).

The problem is I check the box reboot and its unchecked again, anyone having this issue as well? OR did I miss an option when creating the ROM?

Maxx134 03-18-2008 08:38 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iggy (Post 222417)
Hi guys, quick question with the 6.1 ROM I am unable to set power options to turn off the power after X number of mins. (amount does not matter).

The problem is I check the box reboot and its unchecked again, anyone having this issue as well? OR did I miss an option when creating the ROM?

You may be using some sort of Phone profile from an app that changes the setting as I dont have that prob on reset.

iggy 03-18-2008 10:50 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxx134 (Post 222495)
You may be using some sort of Phone profile from an app that changes the setting as I dont have that prob on reset.

Maxx134, thanks so much man, excellent call. I had PhoneWeaver disabling the PowerOff option on all Profiles. Works great now.

DavidinCT 03-19-2008 04:47 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Does anyone have any other tips for battery life here ? I installed 6.1 and it's horrable, I used talked on my phone for about 45 min, and battery is now less than 30%. If I use the phone for another 10-20 min, I'll get the battery low error. Temped to go back to 5.0, really don't want to, I need some of the features in 6.0 for e-mail etc.

GaMedic 03-19-2008 05:41 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I would suggest for those with battery issues to install abcbattery meter from the kitchen and run it for a while. Post your results here when you post a question so that it can be determined where the drain is coming from. The program will run in the background so you can see how much usage from different functions like phone calls, internet, etc. Also note what the levels are when the phone is in standby. Also pay attention to the signal/data meter in the top bar. If you see that the data stream is connected often then you may want to check you email settings to see how often it access the net. I have not experienced the problems some of you have. If those with serious issues could also post selections text then maybe we can compare them and see if a particular program is causing a drain.

DavidinCT 03-19-2008 11:31 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ga. Medic (Post 223600)
I would suggest for those with battery issues to install abcbattery meter from the kitchen and run it for a while. Post your results here when you post a question so that it can be determined where the drain is coming from. The program will run in the background so you can see how much usage from different functions like phone calls, internet, etc. Also note what the levels are when the phone is in standby. Also pay attention to the signal/data meter in the top bar. If you see that the data stream is connected often then you may want to check you email settings to see how often it access the net. I have not experienced the problems some of you have. If those with serious issues could also post selections text then maybe we can compare them and see if a particular program is causing a drain.

Ok, will do, I'll try to reflash mine again tomorrow (takes a good hour to get everything back up and running again). So today, I have talked on the phone for about and hour to an hour and 10. I have replaced the battery 2 times (extra one on the charger), not using interenet, wi-fi or bluetooth, just getting phone calls. I'm afraid to even turn on the internet (as I have unlimited access) just cause the battery will be dead even sooner. I think the phone is done in about 45min of acutal talk time.

5.0 was ok, 6.0 was worse but, I could live with it, 6.1 is horrable, I've looked up every little hack and trick I can find but, nothing helps(even the backlight is down to the lowest setting).

tek2tirado 03-21-2008 05:45 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
im actually havin better battery life then 6.1
i went 2 days with out havin 2 charge it

mostly txt msgs and internet once in awhile 2 check scores
im very happy with this build
works extremely fast also

charleskincade 03-21-2008 10:17 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
i've experienced the very same exact thing with the battery issue and nothing seems to help.

jchargu3 03-21-2008 11:19 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
its probably within the utilities and add ins you are choosing.

With moderate usage texting all day my phone battery lasts about 26-30 hours...

Now if I get a brazillion phone calls a day and that vibrator keeps going off, it lasts about 10 hours.

DavidinCT 03-22-2008 04:51 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Interesting find....for people with battery problems like I had....If you installed "Advanced Configuratuion" check that....Power settings in there, there was some power saving features that was "disabled", I enabled them and it really helped (going from 4 hours standby and about 45min talk time to 12 hours with 80% left, and talking on the phone for about a 1/2 hour through out the day).

I'll give it a real run in the next day or so but, so far, I am shocked in the difference, it's even better than 6.0 so far after adjusting this....but, this is only day 1 after the change.

Of course after I just spent $20 on 2 brand new extended life batteries....(waiting for them to come in)

Edit: after that change, I let the phone go with out charging it till it died. It lasted a little over 26 hours, in that time I spent about 2-3 hours on the phone, and used the internet for about a 1/2 hour to 45 min. This is with the standard battery, not the extened one (that came in today but, it's too big on the phone, only will use it if I need it)

pdx77 03-22-2008 08:11 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I'm experiencing the same power issues as well.. btw thanks for the tip about advanced configuration, I went ahead and made those changes, hoping that helps things.

But for those of you having the poor battery life did you install the battery life/performance tweaks in the kitchen?

violentz313 03-23-2008 08:21 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
i installed battery life tweak and its horrible

gregpilot 03-24-2008 12:51 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pdx77 (Post 226787)
But for those of you having the poor battery life did you install the battery life/performance tweaks in the kitchen?

I saw this in the new kitchen, can anyone state exactly what is changed vs. not including this OEM?

Thanks!!

Gervy 03-24-2008 08:18 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ga. Medic (Post 223600)
I would suggest for those with battery issues to install abcbattery meter from the kitchen and run it for a while. Post your results here when you post a question so that it can be determined where the drain is coming from. The program will run in the background so you can see how much usage from different functions like phone calls, internet, etc. Also note what the levels are when the phone is in standby. Also pay attention to the signal/data meter in the top bar. If you see that the data stream is connected often then you may want to check you email settings to see how often it access the net. I have not experienced the problems some of you have. If those with serious issues could also post selections text then maybe we can compare them and see if a particular program is causing a drain.

Done and done already. For me, the drain is internet connectivity is constant probably due to setting up Exchange push with activesync. However, unlike 6.0 or lower, 6.1 won't time the connection out. I think it's because there is a handshake issue with activesync. I've noticed that my Exchange account on my phone only works intermittently, and whenever I check the status is always "connecting" never "connected" or "synchronizing". SO the connection, is constantly trying a handshake and can't get out of an 'active' mode. I've noticed this 'locks' in that status even when manually hitting send/receive. Note: this is only for syncing with a server such as Exchange push. All of my pop3 accounts or gmail accounts sync just fine.

I hope this is enough detail for the guru's to start troubleshooting.

ChronoT52 03-24-2008 11:16 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
When connected to the internet, my usage soars to near 500 mA and stays there. I recall in previous ROMs the only way I could get battery consumption to get that high was if I had the processor overclocked with XCpuScaler (which I have not used for a while.)

My average stays close to 300mA when I'm using the phone. I'm doing a full day test today to see if I can provide more accurate numbers again.

ChronoT52 03-25-2008 11:46 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
OK. Tested for a full day.

200 mA average.
Spike at 750 mA during a phone call.
Lowest at 50 mA while idle.

Phone calls take generally 350-450mA.
Browsing the internet roughly the same.
Normal programs demand about 100-150 mA (word processing etc.)

I have bluetooth turned on, no WiFi. Accept incoming connections is enabled under iR settings. If you need more information, I'm sure I can provide it.

DavidinCT 04-02-2008 05:38 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Well, I reflashed my phone and now the battery is just as bad as before. Does anyone have a config file for the kitchen that they are getting better battery life ?

CopyCounsler 04-02-2008 01:58 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
A few notes on battery life I've learned in the past year:

1. xcpu and hackmaster and similar will drain your battery like a heater would drain your electricity.

2. internet connections going to idle will not affect battery life much.

3. using wm6.1 the dialer matters as to the internet connectivity
a. new touch dialer dated 3/8 will not let the connection idle
b. the older touch dialer WILL allow idle connections

4. advanced configuration does help battery life by enabling all power saving techniques.

5. the battery tweaks did not help me (from the kitchen)

6. setting a backlight timeout and power timeout of 1 minute improved battery life almost as much as turning off every unused radio

7. the brightness on the lcd being half way up does not affect battery life as much as one thinks (from one notch above off)...

Hope this sparks some controversy.

Copy

bitbrat 04-02-2008 04:41 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Here's what I got - I have been unable to run battery meter cos phone has other "lockup" probs, but I have noticed this:

WiFi sux juice like water, and in 6.1 I can't control the power level for it, that setting appears to have gone

Data connection not bad, but I use it only for MMS

Phone calls - WOW - can empty my battery in 30 minutes - my area has poor coverage and it seems like in 6.1 the phone just ramps up the power consumption until it gets a reasonable connection - I have radio 1.41 BTW - anyone have thoughts on upgrading to 1.43?

Just my 2 cents worth

Also, anyone know why I can't access settings>phone>Services - it comes up as a blank page???

DavidinCT 04-02-2008 06:51 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Today, used the phone for a 1/2 hour and used Wi-fi for about 10 min, the battery was dead. This is driving me nuts.

I'm doing a test with this (I guess I will be flashing my phone a few times to try to figure this one out). Right now, just flashed with no tweaks or hacks, just the OS and applications I need(nothing funky that would run in the background). I'll see if this helps. Just put in a fresh charged battery, so if it dies after using the phone for a while tonight, I'll reflash with a different combo to see if that works. I am saving my config file every time I do a change.

As I posted before, at one point I had the phone running(with 6.1 from the kitchen) for 2 days, an hour with internet and over 4 hours of talk time before the standard battery died. I had to reflash due to missing apps I needed...ugh..

When I flash this phone for these test, I will flash the phone with a current battery but, for the test, will replace with a fresh charged one.

Edit 4/3: Ok, so I tried it with no hacks or tweaks installed, and over all it did pretty well, No 2 days but, used for phone for about 2 hours talk time and a lasted most of the day. I ended up putting it on the charger with about 40% life left. So far, so good.

Edit 4/4: I re-flashed it again today with the "battery perfomance" tweak and it made it worse(much worse), only about an hour of talk time (53:25 to be exact, stand by for about 4 hours, no internet or wi-fi), after I got off the phone it went into flight mode then after about 30 seconds it shut off. If this works like it did for me here, I would avoid this hack with WM6.1

Edit: 4/5: Reflashed, again. Only "hack or tweak" is Advanced configuration. Went into the Power Management section, and enabled all power management options. Set backlight on 3rd bar from off for back light on battery and 30 second time out. So far today, about a 1/2 hour on the phone (not too many calls today) and standby for about 8 hours, battery still showing at 80%. So far so good today, will update this post when the battery gets low or dies. Will keep phone running till it dies, even if over night. The battery is working a hair bit better than when I did with no tweaks at all but, no 2 day. I will look over my options for tweaks to see if I can find out this combo to get better life out of this thing, like I had before.

Will update again when I flash it again

DavidinCT 04-04-2008 12:56 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I've been doing updates with my results and editing my last post, would people be interested in me to keep updating ?

avatar120 04-04-2008 01:06 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
yes please continue my battery sucked down to 0% in 1 hour of light use dies while siting for 2 hours i also reflashed and removed the battery tweaks helped a little but not much on mine i would like to see what you find love my phone with 6.1 but battery issue is making it hard to live with with

tjdavis 04-06-2008 03:39 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I too am having horrible time with battery life. Progressively worse with each version wm5 3.5, wm6, and now wm6.1. I love the new features as well, but battery life drains sometimes after one phone call after a full night of charging. I have reflashed with several different selections all with the same result. I have noticed that since WM6 that Active Sync displays Connected all the time. I use Exchange Push from an Exchange 2007 server at work. The device does not seem to be syncing exchange constantly, but it does say Connected all the time. I am going to play around with the today screen and remove the HTC Home app. I have had other today screen plug ins in wm5 drain my battery, none quite as much as this latest release though. I am not convinced it has anything to do with the ROM itself, it is probably an app. Just have to find the needle in the haystack. Thanks to all who keep our 6700s up to date. I'm sure with the talent we have on ppcgeeks that we'll figure it out.

DavidinCT 04-06-2008 03:55 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
If anyone is using this (WM 6.1 on a XV6700/PPC-6700 from the Kitchen) and getting 2+ days battery life out of the standard battery, would they mind posting their config file (the text file with your selections), so we can get to the bottom of what is going on with the battery life ?

Also how your MMS is working (are you sync'ing with an exchange server, do you use the unlimited internet access, etc) ?

I'm sure it's just 1 or 2 options that should not be, or should be selected to help here, that someone could be flashing for days to just find the correct combo.

Maybe this will help every one get to the bottom of this....

vdecas 04-06-2008 07:34 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
I'm doing some test with the issue of the battery too. I re-flashed my phone four times by now and yesterday was the last time, my battery just lasted one day and a half, heavy sms more than one hundred, 20 minutes on the phone, and 20 minutes on the internet and the battery reach 20%. Tomorrow I'll continue the test, because is a work day and I use my phone a lot, more than two hours of conversation every work day. For the MMS configuration, I'm using my unlimited internet access to send a MMS message trough my mms carrier server. I'll be trying to solve the battery issue and if I found a solution I let you know.
Regards,
Victor

sunny1974 04-07-2008 12:24 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
yes that is really required.. when i had wm5 my battery used to last a lot.. atleast 2 days.. and after wm6 it went down pretty fast.. almost to 1 and a half day. and wm6.1 to 1 day.. everyone keeps saying try the acb battery meter. the meter showed the same usage that is 39 -40 at idle with both 6 and 6.1... with bluetooth on.. but i think its the calling in wm6 which really juices the battery..or maybee the internet usage.. i use a 1500 polymer battery and it lasts even less than the original stock battery on wm6.. which i replaced coz it was getting pathetic.. im sure it is sum setting or program which juices the battery.. maybe its the htc home coz thats the major difference between wm5 and wm6..and most people use it.. i use minimal applications btw.. no other managers like spb suit or anything.. but when i hear people saying 2 days and 3-4 hours of talktime on a stock battery i dont believe that.. i think i barely get 1-2 hours out of a 1500 brand new battery. which isnt any good.. the original specifications of ppc6700 says 4 hours talktime...

kd4ao 04-07-2008 10:59 AM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
My battery life appears to be related to bluetooth being on and no bt device in range. Just my latest observation.

edufur 04-07-2008 03:38 PM

Re: 6.1 Battery Issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kd4ao (Post 242953)
My battery life appears to be related to bluetooth being on and no bt device in range. Just my latest observation.

I am certain you are on to something here. I have noticed it seems to deplete extremely fast in this scenario. For the record, I have the new high-capacity battery and it worked very well under 6.0 but does not last long at all under this build. It does get a lot better with BT off, but it still drains faster than previous builds. I hope that for those that are having extreme short life issues, you consider the fact that it is a combo problem of this build plus your battery may need to be replaced anyway. Looks like the devs arent chiming in on any research they are doing, so if someone more technical than me could pinpoint it for them, im sure they would appreciate the answer... i am betting they are as lost as the rest of us for now. I also want to mention that along with the 6.1 switch, I went back to the stock radio of 1.27. I highly doubt that stock radio could cause battery depletion but I am curious if people are having this problem with other radios as well. I just want to eliminate that from the picture.


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