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Riley 10-17-2011 04:02 PM

review on engadget
 
HTC Titan review -- Engadget

interesting read.

GoodThings2Life 10-17-2011 05:50 PM

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One thing that I really like about Windows Phone is how fast it boots. You can see in the Engadget video that he popped the battery out, then booted up (in critically low battery, mind you) that it booted in like 10-15 seconds. That is representative of how fast and responsive the OS is.

eric12341 10-17-2011 06:04 PM

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I don't like how they take the slightest things and use it to bash the crap out of the OS. he picked on the search button, the capitalizations (or lack thereof?) and the screen resolution.

GoodThings2Life 10-17-2011 06:11 PM

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Engadget is notoriously biased, however, I didn't feel the author of this article was particularly bashing the OS. He stated a few criticisms that bother him and could bother others. I find that he's generally incorrect about the capitalizations, but I dislike the Mango changes to Marketplace search as well... is it enough to not like it? No, I love the platform, but it is something I would change. I do find the search function consistent, though, which is far more important to me than that one preference.

The screen resolution is also a sore subject, given the iPhone's screen resolution is definitely its only strong point (in my opinion), BUT, I haven't seen too many Android phones sporting a better resolution either.

GoodThings2Life 10-17-2011 06:14 PM

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Incidentally... the author also wrote:

"Aesthetically speaking, we sometimes think of Android as a house that you build yourself: the base materials are relatively neutral, but there's plenty of scope for personalization in the way you fit them together. Meanwhile, iOS is like somebody else's house, built by a super-creative person with strong opinions who really doesn't care if you love it or hate it. So what about Windows Phone? Well, on the Titan's glorious display, it too feels like a house built by somebody else -- but this time it's the handiwork of someone who's primary goal is to make you happy."

I think that's possibly the most remarkable endorsement of Windows Phone possible... it's developed by someone who understands YOU and gives you what YOU want rather than forcing you to fit a cookie-cutter-standard or do-it-yourself.

gTen 10-17-2011 06:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life (Post 2150800)
One thing that I really like about Windows Phone is how fast it boots. You can see in the Engadget video that he popped the battery out, then booted up (in critically low battery, mind you) that it booted in like 10-15 seconds. That is representative of how fast and responsive the OS is.

Aren't all modern cellphone OS boot in 10-15 seconds?

GoodThings2Life 10-17-2011 07:31 PM

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gTen... I can't speak for the iPhone, but if you show me an Android phone that does a cold boot in that amount of time (and is fully usable), and I'll take it back... but I had an EVO and an Epic, and neither came anywhere near that.

gTen 10-17-2011 08:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life (Post 2150831)
gTen... I can't speak for the iPhone, but if you show me an Android phone that does a cold boot in that amount of time (and is fully usable), and I'll take it back... but I had an EVO and an Epic, and neither came anywhere near that.

The Evo is a slow to boot, if you wana see a comparison look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=yq99kjHQX-I#!


The epic boots pretty fast too, if you use default boot animation its a tad longer due to the animation being longer then that actual boot time. But even with Sprints animation its definitely less then 30 seconds.


I mean even my windows 7 pc boots in 15 seconds or so :/


Edit: I clocked the video, boot time was 24 seconds (having a plain boot animation too), thats on par with the boot time of an epic 4g.

I could not quickly find an Epic stock animation but here is one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDydejo7xhs

Time: 26 seconds, and fancy animation. My phone boots at around 20 seconds.

eric12341 10-17-2011 11:38 PM

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yea only stock animations should be considered.

gTen 10-17-2011 11:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2150868)
yea only stock animations should be considered.

Well when sprint puts their own animated loader it obviously takes a few more seconds but still under 30 seconds.

But if you want to play that game. I'll go as stock as it gets :P

Nexus S boot time 18 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWiBXF8jvJM

And I am not including the Galaxy S2 which boots even more faster..

Dr.8820 10-18-2011 12:51 AM

Wirelessly posted (WP7 Beta Tester: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/5.0; XBLWP7; ZuneWP7))

....look for Dr.8820 on Engadget and BGR....:D

aximtreo 10-18-2011 10:14 AM

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I thought the review was as open and fair as any I've seen when comparing the total package of WP7 to iOS and Android. I really don't get hung up on one part of the system being better from one OS to another. Hardware and OS implimentation will always differ and that makes comparisons hard to do objectively.

I am waiting to see what Engaget and others think of the Nokia system implimentation, hardware and OS. From what I've seen and read on upcoming WP7 introductions, I think I'll keep my Trophy a while longer. Of course, I don't control that because I have Verizon and their next new WP7 phone will probably be in early to mid 2013.

eric12341 10-18-2011 01:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2150870)
Well when sprint puts their own animated loader it obviously takes a few more seconds but still under 30 seconds.

But if you want to play that game. I'll go as stock as it gets :P

Nexus S boot time 18 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWiBXF8jvJM

And I am not including the Galaxy S2 which boots even more faster..

I rarely have to boot up my arrive so I really don't know how long it takes but I know it must be as fast as the nexus. keep in mind that these phones have dual core processors vs just single core on the Titan so for a single core to boot at that same speed is equally impressive and does make a statement.
Quote:

Originally Posted by aximtreo (Post 2150913)
I thought the review was as open and fair as any I've seen when comparing the total package of WP7 to iOS and Android. I really don't get hung up on one part of the system being better from one OS to another. Hardware and OS implimentation will always differ and that makes comparisons hard to do objectively.

I am waiting to see what Engaget and others think of the Nokia system implimentation, hardware and OS. From what I've seen and read on upcoming WP7 introductions, I think I'll keep my Trophy a while longer. Of course, I don't control that because I have Verizon and their next new WP7 phone will probably be in early to mid 2013.

I didn't think he was fair after all the stupid nitpicks he made. and I'm not the only one who noticed, read some of the comments there.

gTen 10-18-2011 02:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2150940)
I rarely have to boot up my arrive so I really don't know how long it takes but I know it must be as fast as the nexus. keep in mind that these phones have dual core processors vs just single core on the Titan so for a single core to boot at that same speed is equally impressive and does make a statement.

Nexus S is a single core phone, its pretty much same as the Epic spec wise. The Galaxy S2 is dual core.

Either way as I said before, the speed the OS boots in has nothing to do with how smooth the OS is. In windows phone 7 case, most of the smoothness is attributed to hardware accelerated UI.

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I didn't think he was fair after all the stupid nitpicks he made. and I'm not the only one who noticed, read some of the comments there.
give some examples...

eric12341 10-18-2011 05:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2150950)
Nexus S is a single core phone, its pretty much same as the Epic spec wise. The Galaxy S2 is dual core.

Either way as I said before, the speed the OS boots in has nothing to do with how smooth the OS is. In windows phone 7 case, most of the smoothness is attributed to hardware accelerated UI.



give some examples...

@gTen he said that usernames aren't auto capitalized in input fields when almost every username I see is in fact lower cased rather than capital. he also complained that the @ wasn't auto added when it's in the first page on the WP keyboard in those fields. he also complained about the multitasking, which can be blamed on apps not mango compliant yet, my arrive multitasks better than my tp2 did. he complained about how IE didn't render a BBC site correctly knowing that most of the readers or the common public wouldn't even care or would just use the BBC app which is just as good if not better than the site. let's see he complained about the supposed low resolution and that he saw pixels flying around everywhere, (HTC EVO didn't have this problem on it's slightly smaller screen) shall I go on? its filled with ignorant statements that no one should be able to do when reviewing a product. reviews should be unbiased.

GoodThings2Life 10-21-2011 06:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2150950)
Either way as I said before, the speed the OS boots in has nothing to do with how smooth the OS is. In windows phone 7 case, most of the smoothness is attributed to hardware accelerated UI.

You're right about the hardware acceleration. That makes a huge difference. I would say that boot speed DOES make a difference. When I boot up my Windows 7 laptop and my Windows Phone, once I'm at the desktop, they're ready to go... and there's no lag or delay while it continues to load things in the background.

Again, I won't comment on devices I've not used -- like the Nexus or Galaxies -- but I know on the EVO it was more like my XP systems... it would boot (slowly) and STILL have to finish loading useless processes in the background before I could really use it. If Android is better on these newer devices, that's great, but the fact remains true that Windows Phone has amazing performance, and any attempt to discredit that is just lame on your part.

kyderr 10-25-2011 02:14 PM

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I find my HTC TP2 Custom ROM Boot time of 6 minutes to be just fine thank you. Look at you all and your fancy quick boots. Why in my day, you waited for the tubes to warm up on your Motorola field phone...

fixxxer2012 10-28-2011 01:30 PM

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if this phone came to verizon id give it a whirl. i could care a less about dual core phones.


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