Think Sprint will be pissed?
 

Alright,

Before I start please don't fill this thread with WILD dramatisations of what could happen in crazy worst case senarios. I am really looking for either facts, or people who do/have done this to provide feedback.

Today I took the ESN number from my Mogul (6800) and wrote it to my LG Fusic (LX550). Now they both have the same ESN number and both work fantastic. Someone calls they both ring, someone texts, they both recieve it, it's awesome. This is very usefull for me because I constantly find myself with conversations that drain my mogul due to their length, I also find myself getting closer and closer to my Mogul dieing by the end of the day. It hasn't happend yet, knock on wood.

My question is, can Sprint even tell I have done this? I do want to leave both phones on all the time, but they will always be on my side, hitting the same towers, and will never be having two different phone convos at the same time. Do you think Sprint will notice this or is it undetectable? Do you think they will care about this? I don't want to find my phone shut off.

Thanks for the time,
Anthony

p.s. I am not going to go into detail about how to do this, so please don't ask. If you want to do this google 'unicdma' and read some of the forums for the details.

Interesting....:twisted:

My advice

(1) Try Sprintusers.com (even though I hate them, lol) and see if you can track down some sprint techs.

I wouldn't worry about them "tracking you down" as that seems pretty far-fetched, but they're really the only ones who can answer this

(2) Just deny any wrong doing and blame Sprint if they do "catch" you

ps I'm moving this to General Discussion since its not specific to the Titan...

i wonder if it can be done with the musiq as i wanna get this phone as my backup

I can tell you for sure that they will not find out as long as you do not advertise it to them, although i'm not at liberty to say how i know :silent:

i just want to clone my mogul to my m610. but I have searched all over the internet till Im blue in the fingers, i have my msl #s and such, just need the procedure on how to change it and what else I need to do on the m610 if anyone can help me please pm me. thanks guys. and not trying to hijack this thread.

Also to the OP, please go and read this previous thread here at ppcgeeks, especially Page 2, which has some important info:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=6970

You can't clone the mogul to anything. As of now its nvm is totally locked. As for cloning the other device to the mogul as the OP did, it may or may not be possible depending on whether that phone's ESN can be changed. Even then you may have problems getting data authenticated. Usually searching google for the model number + clone will get you an answer.

As for actually cloning, it's a felony in this country, prohibited by the Wireless Telephone Protection Act of 1998. No one should attempt to clone a phone without being aware of the potential consequences.

Interesting. I flashed an old Sanyo 8100 with the same esn/msid of my 700wx tonight. Well it worked but I can not get both of them to ring at the same time. In fact the network picked the last one that joined the network to route the incoming call. If that one was off, it thinks the phone was off as well so answer machine would be used for incoming call. But the funny part is the supposed inactive phone can make outbound call and once that was made, the network routed all incoming call to that one....

I also have some trouble to update vision profile for the cloned phone so no vision yet...

Jeff

is there anyway you can send a screen shot of both phones ringing, I find it hard to believe the HLR would allow 2 esn/mdns on the same network, and how did you flash the Fusic, bitpim?

Only thing that i can think of is with the accounts being converted to a new billing platform. The system might have some problems converting your account which might bring unwanted attention to your account. If your account has already been converted than you may be safe if not who knows it might work fine it might flag your account.

so this is some weird shit. I have been having problems where when people call i try to answer the fusic and noone is there. So i was sitting in ym empty classroom today and had a friend call me. I answered on the fousic, but noone was there, yet i heard his voice coming from somewhere. I look down on my desk and there is my mogul, projecting his voice. Apparently accepting the call on my fusic is activating my mogul? wtf?

hahahaha it reminds me of those movie clips where the guys at work w/ multiple phones and one of the phones starts ringing and he has to pic up all the phones 1 by 1 to c which one it is.. lol. But it would b pretty awesome if u could get this esn on both phones to work flauless.

I think this is the post people should be focusing on. Yeah, why not learn cloning it for educational purposes? But it doesn't change the fact it's illegal. Official documentation of the 1998 act can be found here http://www.ussc.gov/publicat/cloning.PDF

The argument that both phones are yours and you're not using for fraudulent activity still doesn't fly, IMHO, because the act itself of changing a phone serial's number to another is illegal.

Likelihood of getting nabbed or busted is probably unlikely on a larger network like Sprint or Verizon unless your phones are being used on two different towers, but I bet a smaller network like Cricket will flag or even temporarily cancel your service.

What we, the PPC community, should be focusing on are alternatives especially since cloning an ESN is still imperfect like the OP mentioned. A quick alternative is http://www.grandcentral.com/ which GIVES YOU one phone number that rings to all your phone numbers and a host of other features. For the longer run we should be pressuring our CDMA carriers to start using RUIM cards, which kind of work like SIM cards for GSM networks. It's not fair we pay just as much if not more than GSM subscribers and can't easily change handsets.

I use GrandCentral myself and it is awesome... they were recently acquired by Google too.

interesting. GrandCentral doesn't offer either of the states/area codes I would want to use!

imho
 

I think if Sprint were on the phone with you and you gave them an esn number, just let them tell u what kind of phone it is. Don't tell them what it is. Also, don't carry one in the store without knowing which on is showing up in the account.

Yeah well GrandCentral is great and all... but its useless to me without having an SMS gateway.

The point you are all missing and tpmwr has discovered it that its not possible, the ESN generates a PN Long code and used in conjunction with the MDN allows you service, 2 PN long codes cannot reside on the same network. Basic RF.

yeah the problem is with the MSL you have to reload the MSL on the handset so they both have the same.. one the network locks on to the MSL to make sure..

I think it is time you guys switched to GSM. I have two sim cards from T-Mobile so I can use two phones. Not at once though cuz only one phone will receive the call. I use an old Nokia as backup in case my Hermes is out of batterypower.