Warez Vs. Tethering

[Mr_Alexander]

I do not use warez nor do I tether. I have chosen not to download or install WMWifi. This is my decision for my reasons.
crazychef does indeed have a valid point. I have read every post to this thread & I found his arguments have been very well thought out. Obviously he has given serious thought to this topic.
The bottom line to this is the liability faced by this forum for the information about tethering. Obviously there is a tangible liability for hosting warez that would cause this site to face serious legal issues. But a forum is for the discussion & the free exchange of ideas; even ideas that aren't completely legal. So is there any liability for discussing how to circumvent Sprint's TOS? Should these discussions be removed/banned by this forum? That's for the MODs to answer...
IMHO

[kennyidaho]

Why are you even bringing this up? The ICS hack has helped many people and probably yourself included. Are you trying to get talking about ICS prohibited on this site? Whats next after that do you want to dispute the legality of custom roms?

Why were you banned? Was it for posting warez (knowingly or unknowingly)? If so is this why you are having this argument? Are you trying to childishly justify your actions or minimize them? If thats the case then you need to grow up Mr. Law Student.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by gmfeny

Lol thank you, you just proved my point WMWifi is not illegal so it can be shared here and a cracked program is illegal and thats why it cant be shared here.
=D> "You fell into the booby trap, I set the trap just to see if dude reacts"
quote from Jay-Z

wmwifi, PROVIDES the "crack" to consumers just like the Reg Edit for the ICS Hack, so nice try but you didnt catch me into anything...

and for the love of GOD, I USE WMWIFI, please read everything if your gonna battle me please..

this isnt a topic of legality, it a argument of definition... you guys are all hiding behind the fact, that a LAW may or not prevent something.. Warez, cracking a paid service for free use.. tethering usuing wmwifi,ics hack,or pdanet, cracking PAM to use a paid service for free... its all the same

[gmfeny]

Originally Posted by kennyidaho

Why are you even bringing this up? The ICS hack has helped many people and probably yourself included. Are you trying to get talking about ICS prohibited on this site? Whats next after that do you want to dispute the legality of custom roms?

Why were you banned? Was it for posting warez (knowingly or unknowingly)? If so is this why you are having this argument? Are you trying to childishly justify your actions or minimize them? If thats the case then you need to grow up Mr. Law Student.

lol he's not the law student he's the recording artist or whatever he does in hollywood in the music biz

[gmfeny]

Listen I dont mean to be violent but... (ppcgeeks = gunshop; gun = WMWifi; gun with scratched serial = Warez)
If I had a gun license and and went to a gun shop and bought a gun theres nothing wrong with that. now if i shot someone for no reason that is illegal but the gunshop will not get into trouble because it was a legal transaction.
now if i went to a gunshop and bought a gun with the serial number scratched off that is illegal and the gunshop will not be open for business anymore.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by kennyidaho

Why are you even bringing this up? The ICS hack has helped many people and probably yourself included. Are you trying to get talking about ICS prohibited on this site? Whats next after that do you want to dispute the legality of custom roms?

Why were you banned? Was it for posting warez (knowingly or unknowingly)? If so is this why you are having this argument? Are you trying to childishly justify your actions or minimize them? If thats the case then you need to grow up Mr. Law Student.

well its a dscussion forum, so i chose to bring up a topic to be discussed, i think thats what i did... and no, i dont use ICS please follow along here.. i would never plug my phone into a vista machine, thats why i use wmwifi... and yes, again if u read along, i am trying to get the topic banned...

how are custom ROMs doing anything wrong, sure u have the TOS thing, but your not getting something for free that should be paid for..... if carriers offered alternate Roms for a fee, and people sold cracked versions(not their own custom version) than yeah, it would be an issue...

but custom your rom all day long, theres nothing to be paid for involved...



and everyone wants me to be nice here, so can we chill on the MR law student comments.. especially since im kinda proving you all wrong everytime

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by gmfeny

lol he's not the law student he's the recording artist or whatever he does in hollywood in the music biz

yes im a law student, and i live in detroit not cali, to do my record biz thing.. im on the promo biz side, not an srtist

Originally Posted by gmfeny

Listen I dont mean to be violent but... (ppcgeeks = gunshop; gun = WMWifi; gun with scratched serial = Warez)
If I had a gun license and and went to a gun shop and bought a gun theres nothing wrong with that. now if i shot someone for no reason that is illegal but the gunshop will not get into trouble because it was a legal transaction.
now if i went to a gunshop and bought a gun with the serial number scratched off that is illegal and the gunshop will not be open for business anymore.

this is by far, not the right arument... why did kazaa get in trouble, they werent providing anything to anybody., end users of their product were..
same as ppc, thats why warez arent allowed, its not like PPC admin is posting em, we would be, and theyd be responsible for allowing it..

and a gun you bought legally, at a gunshop, and had the proper liscense, though the serial number missing is illegal.. that wouldnt be a ware, you paid for it, from a lisenced shop and had the apporriate paperwork to posses or use it... none of the apps im talking about, give us our carriers authentication to use....without a PAM plan..


let me ask you guys this, if i create a reg edit to a program to bypass a prompt for a password or a reg key screen, is that going to NOT be considered a "crack"? can i now then post it for people to mass download and use?...and im not saying thats whats happening, its an example.. all were doing is using a workaround to get a paid service free..no matter if i spent 30 bucks for wmwifi v120 or you/anyone use(s) v91 for free... my carrier is not getting paid.. ie the person who actually provides the service, which is identical to an enity not gettin paid appropriately for their app/prog/software


next please lol

[gmfeny]

Originally Posted by crazychef

yes im a law student, and i live in detroit not cali, to do my record biz thing.. im on the promo biz side, not an srtist



this is by far, not the right arument... why did kazaa get in trouble, they werent providing anything to anybody., end users of their product were..
same as ppc, thats why warez arent allowed, its not like PPC admin is posting em, we would be, and theyd be responsible for allowing it

next please lol

Lol wow did you read what i wrote. I said if ppcgeeks = gunshop WERE allowing illegal guns to be sold they WILL be shut down.
And if these were legal transactions but the person retrieving whatever it is, is doing illegal things with it the source from where they got it from is not liable.
Are you a law student or do you want to be a law student because you have a long way to go lol. give me your business card so i make sure i never use it.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by gmfeny

Lol wow did you read what i wrote. I said if ppcgeeks = gunshop WERE allowing illegal guns to be sold they WILL be shut down.
And if these were legal transactions but the person retrieving whatever it is, is doing illegal things with it the source from where they got it from is not liable.
Are you a law student or do you want to be a law student because you have a long way to go lol. give me your business card so i make sure i never use it.

where they got it from is not liable??? your not freakin serious right... if i sell u herion and u goto hosp, i goto prison... if im a bartender and i over serve you, you get wasted, get in an accident and kill someone or yourself, guess what, the bar i work at is BY FAR LIABLE... if i sell u an unregistered gun and u kill someone, i goto jail along with you... and i believe kazaa got shut down completely for awhile because what people were doing on a site that they only hosted..

come with some real substance in your arguments please.. see not ya got me being rude, and i dont wanna be... and why would i have a biz card, im in school still buddy, your not allowed to practice

[z28marols1]

wow, i think this is pointless.

i would think it goes with where the focus is. software pirating is high priority, however slight theft of service (still paying for service, just not everything you should) is very low priority, aparently even to the carriers who are being hurt by this. it sounds like they would prefer to overlook ppl doing it unless they are abusing it.

my vote is that since the software creators are fighting to keep illegitimate copies of their software of the internet but the carriers are not really fighting everybody who is in breach of the TOS over ICS, that tethering hacks/software does not deserve to be considered the same as warez.