Is winmo dying?
 

It just seems as an OS, its gasping for air.

I mean, I've been winmo since wince. But android? It looks to me like winmo without the downside.

Am I wrong? Should I wait for 7?

I'm confused. I'm holding scissors...

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M$ merged winmo into the Windows Embeded tree..and is going to Apple's market of making a locked down OS which is WP7...it is built from scratch and has nothing to do with Winmo other then the kernal..

Android is pretty much going into the market share that winmo had. And next year MeeGo will also try to compete in that market share.

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read: Windows Phone 7 Don't bother with this disaster...

http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/...r-disaster-211

Apparently, my feelings are well founded. Winphone 7 won't be the answer.

I feel like a cubs fan.

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Who knows if WM will be around forever? Nobody. Go with what you want to go with. :D

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Yes, no new phones avallible with wm6.5, development is almost non existant except for individual projects

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Good article and unfortunately I think I am ready to concede that the WinMo arse has been thoroughly kicked. I'm looking at the Android phones now and I too started with WinCE in 1996.

Turn out he lights... the party's over....

TOILET PAPER Reply
 

That's true. MS Quit Windows Mobile (as mentioned earlier Windows Mobile 7 is not Windows Mobile). Just like Sony "quit" making PlayStation 3s better and better (instead, fewer and fewer features).

Anyway, Windows Mobile will soon give way to the poorest GUIs in history and massive amounts of Toilet Paper scrolling. For the last 6, maybe seven years, we have started moving completely backwards in the GUIs in these OSes - we started with having up to 20 buttons on a screen that you could comfortably poke with a stylus, even a fingernail, and now apple steered us into NO Scrollbars, NO more than two massive buttons at a time on a screen. If you look back at it, its really a laughable fail.

What will the future hold? Maybe this is just the tip of the iceberg. Ten years, we'll have all 5.5 inch screens that are still these ridiculous touchscreens, and there will be two buttons at a time, max. We'll be toilet paper scrolling all day long to get through to the bottom of a good read in a thread say here at the PPCGeeks community forums, which is embarrassing, considering in the year 2006 or 2007 this task would have taken about one second because of those handy Windows Mobile scrollbars.

It stays alive as long as you want to keep it alive before taking the fail train even further.

- 2 Bunny

Re: Is winmo dying?
 

heres the thing... what can you do with android that you cant with windows? i can personally do more with windows than android. AND i know that it will continue continue to do so.
android seems just as limitde as iphone...
just an opinion

Re: Is winmo dying?
 

goto my wp7 thread and read 1 of 50 articles that are positive and proof wm isnt dead its just wp.

MOBILE 7 Reply
 

WM7 is NOT WM. They just got bored of making a decent amount of money from one audience, so they dumped it out and quit, and want to start requesting a new audience of powerful hardware, useless software dumbphone users.

- 2 Bunny

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Ok to clarify...winmo is DEAD...it got merged back into the windows embedded tree...so it does not exist on its own anymore...WP7 is a NEW OS..the only similarity is the underlying kernal...

windows mobile is as close to WP7 as iOS is as close to Android...

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I just hope those ugly ass blue wp7 "tiles" can be skinned. The UI is as ugly as granny's heinie.

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I'm not talking semantics. Splitting hairs ( winmo is dead, long live WP7) WP7...winmo...whatever the moniker, I guess the question should be phrased:

Is the new iteration of Microsoft's smart phone OS any reason to stick with MS OS phones? Crappy interfaces, limited SW. Name your complaint.

Is android any better? Or, just a different set of problems?

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Just a different set of problems. For me the TP2 was very reliable, very stable. The Evo has been stable; however, I just up'd to 2.2 and have come across a couple of bugs. The one that hits the hardest though is the alarm - twice now the alarm has sounded and goodness, no way to dismiss it. That means you gotta turn it off and back on. Subsequent tests it works! Thing is, twice now I have had to turn the device off in order to dismiss the alarm and that is a BIG problem for a device that is really fast. Heck, put the microprocessor and memory in a TP2 and you gotta a heck of a device. The Evo is fast though and other than that, stands out no more than any other device. It is fast.

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I won't say it's dead... cause I can still run froyo 2.2 on my current winmo 6.5.3 setup... and frankly the reverse is still not true and most likely never will be. So once we have a FULLY functioning Andro build... I'll truly have the best of both worlds, but for right now Android is still my primary OS at this time even without SOUND, BT or CAMERA functionality.... it's just that good and I have no problem saying so.

Been a winmo/CE guy since it's debut.

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Windows Mobile 6.5 is pretty much done for since no one cares about it anymore. Every notice every new Apple that comes out is for iOS, Android, or even RIM. People and companies arent even bothering to make Windows Mobile Apps anymore. The Windows Marketplace is an absolute joke.

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Just out of wonder, is your opinion based on anything?

Having had just about every WM Phone on Sprint, and a few Pocket PC's, I'm pretty familiar with what WM offers. I've used the crap out of WM, and I haven't yet found anything that my TP2 does that my Evo can't.

I'm always curious what these types of opinions are founded on.

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i didnt say it was wm, i said its wp7. only wm i used is to tell op its now(and new os) wp7

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In terms of forums like this its still got sum fight left in it chefs are still cookin..but in terms of Companies & official developers its Dead an buried...the funeral service was on June 4th 2010

the wait is on for WP7..not for me personally but for most ppl

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I agree. The Evo is faster and that is it. Stable? My TP2 is stable. I up'd to 2.2 on my Evo and the first alarm of the day cannot be dismissed (using the default clock) - the dismiss screen is not displayed; alarms after that can be dismissed because the dismiss screen is displayed.

Bluetooth? What a joke.

Cruising the device via Bluetooth? What a joke.

Cruising the device via sync? What a joke.

Faster? That is it. Faster.

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So what is 6.5.X supposed to be? They have working on that for a year and still nothing?

WP7 is so completely retardedly gay it boggles my mind. Its driving me nuts to be holding a phone (Tp2) knowing there will be no more software or updates.

IMO Reply
 

True; but the fact of the matter is MS looked on the other side of the fence and said, "wow, we could dump this old smartphone market and move into the realm of "app" based dumbphones". Money is more important to microsoft than people, so guess what got dropped...

Although, the future is a really good question. Android looks cool and promising, but too huge of buttons and too much toilet paper scrolling to me. Other than that its fine.

Back to Windows Mobile though. If you think about it, Windows Mobile was at its peak when they discontinued it. Windows Mobile 6.1 was great, and they started a downhill descent with WM6.5. Thankfully, they buried this before it became a major issue. Maybe it was for the better. We can still use WM6.1 for a few more years before it becomes "obsolete big time", so its not like we don't have to rush to jump ship or anything, but it will need to becomea priority someday.

IMO.

- 2 Bunny

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no hes complaining bout nothing, some ppl are just still in denial its a big loss for them, so they'll say anything like complain about bugs on an un-official release of software....WM is dead..u can still use it but its dead..:mrgreen:

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can someone give me a straight forward answer. did really M$ say that they will discontinue windows mobile?

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Here is the exact answer..Windows Mobile got merged into the Windows Embedded tree...it will still be developed by M$...BUT it will not end up in a consumer product...it will only be used by businesses.

While some phones will come out, these phones will not have any decent specs and most likely never be CDMA..neither will developers continue making consumer software for it...it will be strictly for business....

That is the answer.

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Sound's like you got a bad apple... My Evo blows my TP2 away in every way, shape, and form... Faster, does tons more, is upgraded in every (camera, screen, multitouch, etc), it syncs better, bluetooth works awesome, and of course can we not forget 4G..!!

Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.80 (Windows Mobile; WCE; Opera Mobi/WMD-50433; U; en) Presto/2.4.13 Version/10.00)

Gotta get in on this one. Yeah, WinMo is pretty much done. And it's ms' fault entirely. The pc marketing model that worked w/ PDAs (let the mfgr promote the devices & thus the o/s), didn't translate well at all w/ the move to telcoms. The telcoms worked WinMo over! Handset mfgrs w/ a few exceptions put the o/s on under powered crap. And ms could've prevented all that. They blew by Palm and lost focus. By the time htc started turning out decent to stellar handsets it was to late. So where are we? 2007 ms gets it's ass handed to them by a really neat FEATURE! phone. Unbelivable! I own the Imagio. Screen more responsive than my old Dell Axim X50v (ppc 2003SE). I'm havin' a blast with it. As a previous poster expressed: sad to know this is the end. HD2 needn't be the last hurrah. Just sad.

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Just want to thank microsoft again for abandoning wm6.5 so that they insure developers quit making software or switch to android such that folks like me who have used wm for years are dead in the water and are forced to go android to get a decent upgrade.

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Yes no kidding!!!
Some one mentioned that MS would continue to make real PDAs for business' only, dumb asses, I am a small business owner, way small I can't afford to buy special phones, but I need a real phone/PDA for my work, I am so sick of these wanabe PDAs like Android, iPhone, and Windows!!!
Terry

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6.5 was a bandaid to sell more phones till they can complete 7. They did a pretty good job with 6.5 over 6.1, as it's a major upgrade in using a finger to do most stuff.

Windows Mobile is done, it is Windows Phone now. 6.5 is called a Windows Phone. Microsoft is following the trend, Apple set the way and Android confirmed it.

Everyone wants a simple but powerful phone, with a single place to get all their programs and games (aka: apps). Microsoft is just following with the good and the bad that everyone else has done and try to fix them all in one device. The problem is they are following the Apple model and stepping away from their true customers (US).

Apple has proved, there is a lot of Money to be made in a App store, Microsoft wants a piece of this, so by locking down the phone, the only place you can get your apps is from them, you are locked to them.

I don't like the fact that they are taking from the basics that we have grown to love about WM, from file storage, swapping out flash cards, file access (to change out a simple DLL in the windows folder to fix a problem), Remote desktop, manual install of apps, and much, much more.

The iPhone 4G was jailbroken in 2 weeks, how long do you think it will take for the experts on here to "Jailbreak" WP7 devices ? Then WP will be what everyone on here wants....

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I hope it wp7 gets tweaked or an update or microsoft sees that they have a faithful following and release a 7.1 patch that will integrate all the features we know and love and maybe a flash 10.1 patch as well. Cant a guy dream.

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I think the major setback for all current HTC devices is that they lack a capacitive touchscreen. The conductive touch screen they use is kind of shoddy and not as responsive compared to the iPhone or Android phones.

Other than that I absolutely love them. That's the only flaw I really see - along with low battery life but that is expected and I just carry an extra battery.

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I will miss it when true WM is gone, from what I have read about WP 7 is going to be a clunker, that is not acceptable, I mean these guys have been in the development business for a long time, anyway I think when it is time to get a new device I am going with one of the android phones with a sliding keyboard, now that they have Docs to go for it that was about the one thing keeping me from it.
Terry

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Wait.. what???? I came from a tp2 and this is the biggest crock of bs i've seen. Shall we start with the sleep of death.. which the evo does NOT have? Or the more responsive and bigger screen? The support in both software and apps is decades better. Multitasking simplicity, gps is better and doesnt have lag like the tp2 did. And best of all there's no need to flash a rom just to get simple functionality that the tp2 lacks out of the box. I know you love your tp2 but c'mon son...

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my hd2 laughs at you...it's winmo, btw, with a 1ghz snapgragon, 4.3" screen...

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Just outta curiosity, does your Evo run SQL Server Mobile? :p My Diamond does...

Up until a few months ago, there was no android app for a slingbox. I've had that for at least a year on winmo. I'm not looking forward to buying it again, hopefully I won't have to, but haven't looked into it yet.

Yeah, neither are widely used apps, I know. That's where the attraction to winmo is; it runs all sorts of weird/rare/old/etc apps that you just cannot find in android. That was the thing it had going for, and that's one of the major things Microsoft managed to screw up in WP7. Had they made WP7 a new kernel with all the stuff we've been used to (copy/paste, multitasking, app compatibility, etc), I'd be looking forward to it. Instead MS got lazy, and instead of addressing battery life and performance issues by tuning the kernel/drivers/etc, they opted to remove everything that might slow down the processor/use up battery/etc... It really is a step back from 6.5.

Look forward to more whining and crying from me once I get my Samsung Epic in 4 days... I've been on WinMo for ages, knew the registry inside out...

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You won't ever get MS SQL Mobile on Android because its linux..and MS SQL is proprietary to M$...you MAY be able to get another form of SQL ported like MySQL for example or etc..There is SQLite though...

STICKY Reply
 

You're better off sticking with the Diamond, LOL!

- 2 Bunny

Re: Is winmo dying?
 

This argument is why I'm glad I bought an HD2. It's the last great WM phone & it's versatile too- I currently have both WM & Android on it. WM is indeed dying, and that makes me really sad cause it's an end of a really badass era.

I do think Android is the wave of the future though, and lately I've kind of forced myself to adopt it. I've been running it as my primary OS for about a week now &I NEVER thought I'd say this, but I love it. I've tried Android in the past & absolutely HATED it, but once I found a good ROM/build combo, it's really awesome. I always figured I'd have to eventually make the move to Android cause I'm a big fan of Linux & anything open-source. I love WM with all my geeky little heart, but I really don't wanna stick with a stagnant OS.

This whole thing reminds me of the WebOS fiasco. I was SO pissed when Palm announced the Pre & how they were completely rewriting the OS, I had used Treos for years & when I found out they were discontinuing Garnet, I literally cried. That's when I switched to WinMo, and now here I am again.

Truthfully I'm really mad at Microsoft over all of this, this is 100% their fault & I'm seriously thinking of boycotting them altogether(not that it'll make a damn bit of difference to them, but it'll make me feel important, lol). If they'd have promoted WM as the versatile, fun, something-for-everyone OS that it really is, I think it'd be a lot more popular than it is. That's why the iPhone succeeded, Apple marketed it just right and even though it's a polished turd, it's the most popular device out there today. My HD2 is twice as powerful as the iPhone 4, but do you see people lining up outside the T-Mobile store overnight to buy one? Hell no, cause it's got an old fogey 'nerd' OS.

*sigh* I'll get off my soapbox now. I haz a sad. Goodbye WinMo :(