Re: Apple sues HTC for infringing 20 Patents...
 

HTC is making almost all the hardware, including Motorola, so thats why apple is going after HTC.....

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Steve Jobs is a jerk who wants to c0ckblock mobile evolution.

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Guess cause of the android phone on at&t...

that said, to sue Motorola would be suicide because Motorola my guess has more phone patents then the kitchen sink.

Samsung makes the processor for the iPhone...suing the guy who makes your stuff isn't the best idea.


"Apple, where innovation means putting a Apple logo on it"

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I Just saw this on MSN.com

highly doubt HTC will pull any of there phones.



i hope not lol

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No one ever pulls anything when dealing with big companies..they just stall it out for years after many legal battles and then settle.

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If you think this is screwy, drug companies are discovering individual genes in the human genome and patenting them. This way if any drug company wants to develop a drug based on a pateneed gene they must pay royalties. People are patenting the rights to your genetics. Genes possessed by everyone are becoming owned by private individuals. You discover the cure for cancer based on science from one of your genes and you will be infringing on their patent. Capitalism is screwed up. Corporations have unlimited political donating ability now too so things are only gonna get worse.

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That is not what I said. But you don't think Apple more than paid(and made millions) for the R&D they put into the Iphone in two years? You seem to be basing my intelligence on something very trivial. And for the record I don't fully believe in the constitution, because it has lead us down the road to where we are today. Have you ever read to Articles of Confederation? It makes the Constitution look like the Communist manifesto. No, I don't claim to know it all, never will. But you seem to think you do. And what the hell does understanding how to write code have to do with what I originally wrote? No, I can't, nor do I want too. I already have enough on my plate without learning how to write code. Please from now on spare all of us from your narcissistic attitude.

P.S. I guess you're smarter than two economists from Washington University in St. Louis?
It is a government created monopoly, therefore IT HINDERS innovation. No monopoly on earth drives innovation, nice try though. How's that public education working for you?

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I personally do not believe in patents. I have my reason's which we can discuss in some other forum, on another day. I post on Dawgrant.com if you want to discuss these things. I also post on others, I'm not trying to take this thread any more off topic than I already have. Sorry to the threadstarter for doing that to you.

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There is nothing to hijack on this thread..its a TP2 forum and it doesn't even belong here..so this thread itself is offtopic. That said, patents right now may hinder innovation, but in general they are needed and 2 years is not enough.

The problem lies in how the patent system is abused, this even goes for the law system in general. To put a patent for 2 years though is not the answer as it will completely kill innovation. Unless you have the money, there is no way you would be able to make your product hit the market.

As the saying goes "Too little of something is bad and too much of something is bad"

On other note, even the concept of democracy and capitalism if you think about it are 1000 year old systems. It just happens to be somewhat better then the other choices available atm.

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i am all in with the HTC!!!!
SCREW apple... they can just take ur CrapPhone and goto hell!!!

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Saw the new this morning. I am kind of surprised Apple is willing to tie themselves up in this mess. Too bad for HTC. I very much enjoy my TP2!

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humm scrolling is not a novel idea.. <looks at laptop>, But heres the thing, if they are claiming "touch"?? They better think again. Computers have been able to do this for years and they have been making their way to homes and already in business's.. Point Being.. Is scrapple going to start sueing them as well? The only thing thats changed is the size of the device.

As far as apple goes?? Paaaleaseee... Widgets are for kids. Not serious folks. And there lies their issue... Kids growing up today expect something far better & faster & released continuosly then any other generation. Scrapple should have kept that in mind when the built Iphone. Instead they played the game like stuffed shirts..

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Are you sure? I mean just look at the current situation with apple? This is harming innovation instead of helping it. And for the most part I believe this to be the case more than not. Their maybe so industries that you need patent laws, I can't speak for them all. However, with the exponential growth of technology, the technological sector is not one of them. I also believe the Medical sector to be another, which is very closely tied to the technological sector.
Unfortunately all industries tied to government will be. Because government itself is and always has been corrupt. Even back to the time of the founding of this country. The Founders took the action they did out of self interest to protect their own profits. Their system of government had the least flaws of any other, but still far from perfect. There is no "perfect" system of organized government. And I disagree that a product will never ht the market if you're not rich, the reason why is because most people who have an idea work for somebody. Therefore they always have been and will be backed by someone else's money.
I understand everything in moderation, but I'm not sure how to apply it in this case.
This I partially agree with. Democracy fails every time it is tried. Democracy concentrates power in the hands of a few clever enough to manipulate the masses. We(The USA) were set up to be a republic. That way you don't run into tyranny of the majority. Which is eventually what causes all democracies to self destruct. It is suppose to give all men equal rights under the law, which we no longer have.
This will explain it better than I ever could.

Now on to Capitalism. An unrestrained free market does do the most good for the most people. What we have is not an unrestrained free market, or big business would fail. The market will regulate itself, if allowed too. That is good, what we have is not. Government now creates monopolies in order to make sure it always keeps it's power. Let me get through this test tomorrow and I'll discuss this in greater detail.(if you care?)

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Uh, thatz what I read. Your words are the bases, if you think theyre trivial, then so be it. Yeah, I know you dont claim things. Narcissistic attitude...nope. Rather, your blanket statements were fun to read.

Monopoly ... exactly right. That is EXACTLY what patents and copyrights are. But there is an exchange...the inventor or author makes a public disclosure that becomes public domain after the limited monopoly period expires. Why would an inventor publicly disclose something that she or he could retain FOREVER as a trade secret ... the ONLY reason is that there is patent protection. Okay, so how about no more public teachings ... all good technology is kept secret forever. Not a good scene ... my comments were just because you made blanket statements without knowing the full picture.

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And Chuck! Man I love that show. Who would have thought nerds and spies would make a great mix.

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maybe instead of suing companies apple should be trying to figure out how they are going to make a 3.5" screen with 20 icons on it seem like a revolutionary idea after its been out for almost 3 years. it took them nearly 8 months to figure out how to make the icons wiggle and change positions. how much longer will it take them to figure out how to trap your soul to its internal storage? bet they'll try to patent that too...next lawsuit "Apple vs Religion...Which has the right to your soul?"

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apple ='s a bag full of pu$$y. They're so vague those patten can be for anything. I think I'm going to patten a clear gas used to breath that is composed of paired oxygen molecules. If apple wants to stress about gestures I have a few I wouldn't mind showing them :headbang::headbang::headbang:

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Agreed! :D


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here's a nice link to read about. it has all the details and graphs of each patent that apple is suing HTC for:

http://gizmodo.com/5483689/the-apple...ntent=FaceBook

also the funny thing is, why is the lawsuit coming right now? one month before HTC release the HD2 on tmobile? Does that mean T-mobile will be postponing release of HD2 because of violation to the lawsuit?

as for locking using slide gestures. i think the creator of s2u2 should definitely pull his software off the web before he get's sued too. oh and i think i read somewhere that apple is going after andriod because they dislike google, but HTC was caught in the mess because they create the best/most andriod phones

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Apple position is surprising.
An obvious move of jelousy and cry baby tactics, feeling paraniod(because of android) by better small companies.
Such sore losers they dont care that they were also once a smaller company.
Now they are a worse bully than M$ ever was.
When will buyers finnally see how controling and manipulative the are?

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lmao oh man i almost cried. apple makes me laugh. i hope i wont be enslaved by them though. viva la revolution!

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Being first in-line to the patent office does not necessarily mean you own or invented the technology.

It just means you decided to file first and patent offices didn't do their diligence to ensure this technology wasn't elsewhere.

HTC has a lot of power behind it. The Goliath Google has already pushed their support behind them, no doubt Microsoft will be doing the same.

There are tons of patents Apple has infringed on here, and I'm sure that will be brought up in court.

Apple is not the little guy anymore, and Apple needs to reel itself back in. For years they flew under the radar... but they are becoming bullies just like Microsoft has/continues to be. The court doesn't like that and those Monopoly suits the government has tastes for will surely come out.

At the end of this, Apple will be made to look stupid, and may end up having to pull its own phone off the market if HTC gets a group of companies together to countersue Apple on their own patents.

Apple doesn't realize they've just pushed the button to self-destruct.

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I don't really see much difference between the two myself.

MS & Apple are both trying to defend monopolies, I don't think ones any worse than the other.......

~John

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This is my take on it. They are seeing HTC as a big threat(bigger than they used to be) and they wanna try to take a bite out of them financially, while also slowing their progress/release of newer and better devices than the iphoney.

Apple had better be careful what they wish for tho. Bringing all these patents to the forefront could get them invalidated in the end, if the right arguments are presented.

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Exactly...patents are for innovative, original ideas. Patenting things like multi-touch, "slide to unlock", etc is a crock as they are intuitive....

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This is my smart phone. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My smart phone is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life. My smart phone, without me, is useless. Without my smart phone, I am useless.
My smart phone and myself know that what counts in this war is not the ho-hum of sameness, the set registry, nor the app store they visit. We know that it is the customizations that count. We will customize...
My smart phone is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weakness, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its tweaks and its hacks. I will keep my smart phone clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...
Before God I swear this creed. My smart phone and myself are the defenders of competition. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life. So be it, until victory is the consumers and there is no enemy, but Peace.

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Finally we hear from Google, and their backing HTC 100% (obviously)

http://i.engadget.com/2010/03/03/goo...ehind-our-and/

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when you cant innovate, litigate. I'm a software engineer, and I've looked at M$ and apple patents before, and their sole purpose is for monopolistic reasons.

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It will be interesting to see if Google will allow its Maps application on the next generation of iPhone.

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I don't think so. M$ and Apple are looking to make bing the search and map app on the iphone.

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What's next? Safari for WM? :x

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i think the reason might be because HTC in 2009 alone flooded the market with new phones. and i read on the web that for 2010, they're to release around 8 new phones. couple those with HTC's revenues steadily climbing up for the past 2-3 years.

i guess this is Apple's own way of saying "show me the money!"...LOL

im surprised apple has not patented the thin cell phone concept yet.:disgust:

are you serious?? item no. 6 on that website is a person looking at a phone, answering it and then tucking it away in his pants pocket. that can be patented?? uh-oh...everyone...prepared to be sued the mr jobs!...LOL

Apples Lawsuit against HTC (particularly the imagio)
 

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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=112717

;)

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who cares, by the time anything happens the imagio will be old news along with all the other handsets in the list.

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they are trying to prevent htc devices from being imported into america, this is not limited to those cited on the list.

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so what? nokia sued apple, apple counter sued, now apple suing htc, cisco suing apple...welcome to america...what else is new everybody sues everybody... highly doubt if we will seeany major results out of the ordeal.

engadget.com/2009/10/22/nokia-sues-apple-says-iphone-infringes-ten-patents/

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Apple is worse bully than M$ because they dont allow customization of OS, interface, apps, phone iz locked down to carrier, cant even change battery.
Its like they so scared about their technology, like they dont want you to know anything about it.

Look at their laptops... I had to install parallels for my nice on her dam apple laptop.
I thought it was supposed to be as good or easy as windows and I find out how the interface is so much less user friendly I got fusgtrated & so pissed offf.
No right click? folder options not in folder, but top of screen? WTF no start menu, but an ednless stream of non-organized icons? WTF-WTF-WTF!!!
I had tried Linux before and it was more straight forward and actually seemed like what apple mac shoul/will be in future..
Apple OS may be powerful for video, but without those softwares, there is no reason for the fustration.

Only good thing I like about anything apple is that cute lil magnetized A/C power adapter plug.
Edit: It is vey unassuming, but genius because there is no wear/stress on socket to motherboard because there is none.
And no stress on plug end because the is none, just some pins, kinda like how battery contacts are.
Too bad, they probably patented that too.

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Apple is suing everyone. This company sells licensed copies of Apples operating system on generic non-branded computers. But apple wants it only on their hardware...

check it out

http://www.psystar.com/

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Actually, Psystar is a very different situation, and one that's defensible. And believe me, I do NOT like Apple's business practices one bit. Psystar was taking something Apple actually created -- the actual bits in OS X -- and selling them in direct violation of the licensing terms. Apple has every right to set the terms of sale and use of their actual product the way they want. Psystar decided they didn't like those terms and tried to build a business around violating them. The appropriate response if you don't like Apple's refusal to allow their OS to run on an open hardware platform is to NOT BUY IT! That's one of many reasons I don't own a Mac. You have that choice, and there are great alternatives.

What they're trying to do with patents though is different. They are using overly broad patents to try to keep you from having any choice. Similarly to the example above, I despise Apple's heavy handed approach to telling me what applications my phone can run. So I don't buy one. Apple's trying to keep me from being able to do that, and that is evil. But I don't think it's fair to say it's the same thing as what Psystar tried to do.