Originally Posted by spectheintro (Post 1941432)

Are you seriously comparing Microsoft's blatant anti-competitive practices with Microsoft Windows to Apple's decision to not allow Flash on its phones? The two aren't even remotely comparable.

Microsoft--threatened OEMs, spent millions purchasing and immediately shutting down competitors, had tons of backdoor dealings to ensure its platform was the only one being sold in most markets.

Apple--has made a cell phone and decided not to allow certain software on it. Has done nothing to prevent any other cell phone manufacturers from supporting the software, has not attempted to halt the sale of all other cell phones, has threatened no one to my knowledge.

Seriously, get your facts straight. Apple's being arrogant and douchebag-esque with its iOS platform. Microsoft was criminal. The difference between the two is astronomical.

EDIT: Just go read this: United States v. Microsoft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. And then try and claim that what Apple has done even comes close. Microsoft falsified evidence in a federal court. I'm honestly shocked some of its executives aren't doing hard time. I love Windows 7 and I've supported MS platforms for years, but I call a spade a spade.

Originally Posted by testacon (Post 1941719)

Um, did Microsoft at ANY time prevent you from installing ANY programs or disallowed one? No--then case closed. I admit Microsoft was 100% wrong during that time and deserved the fallout they got for "business bullying", but shame on the general public for not looking at other programs or exercising their choices. At no time during the browser regime had any issues installing Netscape or an alternative browser. Can't really say the same for Apple can you now?

Originally Posted by spectheintro (Post 1941757)

Except they did. If you'd read the provided link, you'd see that Windows 95 made installs of foreign browsers extremely unintuitive. (They falsified evidence to try and show otherwise, but were caught in the act.) Not only that, but Microsoft also forced OEMs to NOT package competitor's browsers when distributing their computers. So yes, quite literally, Microsoft did prevent me from installing foreign browsers: it exercised (illegally) market power to keep alternatives from me in a purchased machine, and also purposely designed their OS to be anti-foreign browser.

Originally Posted by shaggylive (Post 1942139)

well, I didn't need to read the link to know that I was using netscape and aol just fine on win95. they didn't prevent anything except the full and complete removal of iexplorer. which at the time was made some sense on thier part as the internet was still very young, and it was based upon explorer (the file browser)

while were on ancient history and back on topic, iphone's dumb. :geek:

Originally Posted by spectheintro (Post 1941757)

Except they did. If you'd read the provided link, you'd see that Windows 95 made installs of foreign browsers extremely unintuitive. (They falsified evidence to try and show otherwise, but were caught in the act.) Not only that, but Microsoft also forced OEMs to NOT package competitor's browsers when distributing their computers. So yes, quite literally, Microsoft did prevent me from installing foreign browsers: it exercised (illegally) market power to keep alternatives from me in a purchased machine, and also purposely designed their OS to be anti-foreign browser. You can say MS and Apple are sort-of similar on the latter; the former is a totally different category of behavior.



I at no point "cried fowl" for the FTC investigating anything. I merely pointed out that what MS did is in a completely different ozone layer than the things you're decrying Apple for.



Easy. Apple is not bullying AT&T and every other carrier to not let you purchase any other phone. That difference enough for you? Apple is also not spending millions of dollars spreading false information about every other cell phone OS in the market. In short, Apple is not attempting to be a monopoly. That's the difference between Apple and MS.

If you don't like Apple, fine. Doesn't matter to me. But get your perspective straight. Apple and MS are in completely different leagues. Just because you feel more aggrieved by Apple's slights doesn't mean they're comparable to the morass of anti-competitive behavior MS engaged in. We'll never know how much innovation and creativity was stifled by MS's practices.

Originally Posted by fozmsu (Post 1941834)

Testacon hates Apple just to hate them. And from the looks of it, it's because he can't get Apple sponsered porn. Get over it. You troll the Apple forum to hate on them. End of story.

Originally Posted by testacon (Post 1942291)

What I hate is the ability to not have access to flash if I want to watch a video that is on some 90% of the sites I visit.

Originally Posted by testacon (Post 1942291)

I love having words put in my mouth. I've said in multiple post that I have two iPods both a 60Gig classic video model and a 64 Gig iPod touch, last revision. What I hate is the ability to not have access to flash if I want to watch a video that is on some 90% of the sites I visit.

I have also said they have the potential to be "great" devices if the shackles of oppression removed via jailbraking, but the problem with that is flash needs to be supported by Apple so that it integrated into the OS better and not some quick hack that was thrown together in someone's basement.

So if I hate them just to hate them then why do they have about $800 from my pockets. I hate them because I can't use my devices to the full potential I should be able. I hate them because I have enough free will that I don't like my decisions be made for me.

All I know is that if I am wrong in my arguments, then why is the Federal Government asking the same questions that I am? I guess we will all see who is right as more and more evidence comes into light. If Microsoft can get slammed with fines, so can Apple.