Consumer Reports: iPhone 4 = Design Flaw
 

We have all known the iPhone 4 had a design flaw. But now a more widely accepted, mainstream source has acknowledged it too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/te...pple.html?_r=1


Personally, I cant wait to throw this in the face of apple fanbois! How Apple managed to repeat antenna/reception issues and make them even worse I have no idea. I wonder if anyone will be (or has been) fired over this.

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yea but with respect this is going to end up being another flaming thread lol, we all know of its design flaws, but this is gonna start another rant/fanboy thing again

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I do get a kick out of this.

But, for me the TP2 also has a design issue in that I have to be careful how I hold it. I'm right handed, and my little finger just loves to cover the microphone hole.

I'm not equating the 2.

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Consumer Reports: iPhone 4 still the best smartphone you can get.

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/2...on-the-market/


Also, moved to iPhone forums

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I have not had any issues with my phone. I am enjoying the switch i made and would not discouraging anyone here from choosing whatever phone works for them. Personal preference and it is a shame that there has to be any flaming.

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People who flame are insecure individuals.

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It actually gets better...

CNET is reporting that the company's forum moderators are deleting any mention of Consumer Reports' findings that the antenna issue is an inherent design flaw, and not just a software issue.

http://consumerist.com/2010/07/apple...m-threads.html

It's like Christmas all over again.

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I think I was reading some engadget user comments and some of them are hilarious. Apple fanboys chime in to say they don't have any reception issues, and that they have a case on their phone. Just totally ignorant on the issue and to come to apples rescue. Yes, its already been said that with a case it does fix the issue. They are idiots and I love this news! LOL

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I agree that this is a problem, but why are you so happy that people's phones are failing @ reception?

nice to know not everyone is an iphone fan boy
 

http://techland.com/2010/07/12/consu...-the-iphone-4/
cheers!!

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its only uninformed people who dont know squat about technology that are diehard fanboys.

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now now, don't disparage the ones who know colorful over useful.

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I owned multiple phones over the years, including htc and they all have some flaw...all

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yeah, the Evo has battery issues, screen issues, OTA update issues, 2.2 porting issues.

The iPhone 4 has the reception issue,

winmo has a severe lag issue unless running an HD2

But I'm a tech nut and I'll get whatever comes out, I don't give a damn if it runs android, iOS, or wp7. I will always have the "big 3"

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Christmas huh? Christmas at your house sucks. I have had no problems with my iphone 4. No case, no problems. I have had three different HTC devices and had to take them in for repairs or replacement at least once every three months. It just makes me laugh that people feel the need to start these flame threads. You like your phone, I like my phone. Why can't people leave it at that? HTC's lack of quality control is what helped push me towards the iphone. I was down to the EVO or the iphone. What put me over the edge was the battery life comparison and the fact that HTC made the phone. I didn't want another phone that I may have to take in constantly. The EVO may be the HTC phone to buck the trend, but I didn't want to take the risk. So I can be a Fanboy, you can be a Fandroid or WinMoBoy or whatever you want. Point is, who cares. This all started out by mocking people who had Iphones just because there was the whole "OOOH, look at me I have an Iphone". Now the trend has shifted to the new douche class being the ones going "OOOOH, look at me. I don't have an Iphone". It's all the same now. Before you go into the whole, "I don't like Apple's business practices" rants, save it. No one cares. Now you can run along back to your Christmas. Don't you have some grade school kids you should be pushing off the jungle gym or something?

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All my previous phones were HTC and they were absolute garbage. The iphones are like angels compared to the junk HTC puts out.

All my iphones have great quality, the only reason I upgrade is because I like new technology. With HTC, you upgrade because it breaks on you or has a defect.

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What is the flaw of the jitterbug?

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But as I said before I used HTC phones and never had a problem...people experience varies from person to person...

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I have been able to use both the iphone and Evo, they are both great phones. But just cuz I choose the Evo doesn't mean I wish ill will on or hate iphone users but I can tell ya I have 0 issues with the Evo and no problems with any others that I didnt cause.




CW

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Thank you. A voice of reason.

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I'm not happy about people's reception issues. I'm just happy that people rather than just the informed tech crowd are finally seeing Apple's true colors. Like the general consensus of the tech articles point out, its not the actual reception issue that is apples biggest problems, its how hey have handled it. First to say there is no issue, then to say oh you're holding it wrong. All cellphones have the same problem. oh wait, its a software glitch we are going to fix. Consumer reports don't like our iphone 4, delete all threads referring to Consumer reports. Its a problem they thought they could use their apple mind control on their fans to sweep under the rug and its has gotten worse.

What's even funnier to me is with the previous iphones it was a blame game of the dropped call issues between apple and ATT. With they Iphone 4 they decided to use their new antenna designs as a selling point for the phone. What does that say about the previous Iphones? It was something to be desired? And when is the last time you heard a phone advertising its antenna design? To think one of their advertised features is the one that has the biggest fault is just ironic and hilarious to me.

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i dunno, sounds like hatorade to me.

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Whats an iphone?

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threads merged.

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I think people flame because the new iphone got a 9/10, opposed to the droid x which got an 7/10. Not to mention that reviewers at sites look at the new iphone features and then criticize other phones for not having them. Since those att commericials about talking and surfing web at same time, you'll find phones like the droid get marked down for not having that "feature". Same thing with pixel density too, the 3gs having shitty density never got ripped on, but the Droid x having slightly below that pixel density of the new iphone gets ragged on.

I got the whole you just need a case thing, but frankly the new phone is beautiful looking, why put a case on something that looks cool. Second, I don't use cases, haven't with my touch, touch pro, hero, or droid, I don't like them.

Apple should fix the issue, instead of saying its software problem. I still think its ****ing christmas when steve jobs talks about how innovative the new antenna is, he really did. Wish I could find the qoute, something like "noone ever thought about this before, its magic".....I could have told him putting an antenna where people grip was a bad choice.

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Well said, sorge. There exist a large amount of bias in the smart phone world. Like the consumer reports article said: "Apple, a company which in many people's eyes can do no wrong..."

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I have no idea what that is. :scratch::scratch:

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What's funny to me is that the majority of us in this forum are well informed about all kinds of phones so we are not the regular fanboys you keep referring to. We love technology and making it better on all of of our devices regardless of what they are b

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Oh really? Sounds like most everything I have said is fact. If your going to respond at least have more basis than your single one line response.

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And most people here have used blackberry, winmo, palm, and/or android, as well as at least have played with an iPhone. the iphone has just become more haterable the more things go on like this.

3GS comes out: Multitasking is bad, steve jobs even had charts showing how bad it is.

4 comes out: Multitasking the way we do it is right, also you can change your background.

IDK how many people blamed ATT for the original iphone not being able to do MMS. It took 2 more years for the innovation of 3gs MMS. At the same time iphone 1 couldn't do it, flip phones could, even flips on ATTs network, I'm pretty sure a few phones even had video share available(over 3g).

I think the geeker people want to see something truly innovative out of apple, not just "oh this platform has had that for 8 years"

People on this forum know what other phones can do, so we expect apple to truly innovate if they are charging a premium for thier product.

In less then 2 years, Android has gone from the G1(could laugh here, was very first gen), to Droid/Hero, to EVO/X/Droid2. Pretty damn big gap. In the same last two years, Apple has only added stuff that should have been there since 3G. lolwallpaper

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let's face it, we all are victims of inferior products. Whether it be the iPhone or any other device. People who choose to use the iPhone do so like any other person who chooses to use any other device, we have them because we want to have them. If you feel comfortable with your phone, flaws and all, it's what you choose to have for a mobile device. Sure there are some phones that are better than other phones and some have fewer flaws than other, then again some have more flaws than others.
iPhone is in a class of its own IMO. I dare to say that the iPhone does tend to have more loyal followers than other phones. Sure we have lots of HTC users, the only difference I see is that HTC makes more than one model of phone while Apple only makes one, the iPhone. Yes the iPhone has different versions/generations, it's still only branded as an iPhone.
I choose not to use an iPhone for two reason and two reasons only
1. I'd rather not own any Apple products
2. Sprint doesn't have the iPhone

More so number 1 than 2 because even if the iPhone ever made it to Sprint, I still wouldn't use one.

Basically what I'm trying to say here is that people choose to use the phone they want because that is the phone they selected out of all the phones in the market. We all have our reasons for using the phone we choose to purchase and generally stick by the phone because we chose that particular phone

With all that said, I think we as consumers generally settle for inferior products all the time, we just hope we choose the product that is less inferior to the other product we didn't choose. :)

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Everything you have written in this thread is opinion or just a rehashing of what other tech blogs have been saying. You hate just to hate. That is what Orangekid was pointing out. If you really took the time to go back and read some reports before the iPhone 4 came out, you would see that a lot of the people condeming it now were actually praising the antenna design. Is the antenna working out now? Looks like no for a lot of people. Mine works fine. You can't just pick and choose what lines suit your obvious hatred of Apple. It's fine that you don't like them. I get it. I really do. I have similar feelings about Walmart, but I don't go to their forums just to hate on it. Why do you honestly come here? Honestly. If you think you are doing the world a favor by doing nothing more than quoting articles we have all already seen, you're not. I am very happy you like your phone. So very happy. I myself got sick of evey HTC product I owned breaking on me. Every single one. Before you fire back that you have never had a problem with yours, remember, I have no problems with mine. It just goes to show it happens to some and not to others. You could go in the TP forum and find post after post of peoples phones breaking, but you would be hard pressed to find a flame thread started by iPhone users attacking them. So why don't you just take your hate and go somewhere else. You are never going to change the minds of the true fanboys that you hate anyway. You can go start your own blog or forum to scream and yell how much you hate Apple and I am sure you would have quite the following. Hell, start a religion over it for all I care. I am most positive that it would be successful. The thing is, the louder you shout "It Sucks" in here, the less anyone cares what you have to say.

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every single one of your rants are.

1) the iPhone 4 apparently has some reception issues.

2) This pleases you because for some reason you don't like people with iPhones.

It's just a tired, played out take now. It would be like me going into the Evo forums and talking noise about their screens coming off. The reason it seems like every WM user is a developer is because you pretty much have to be to keep that device for any length of time.

I know many many people with MyTouch 3Gs who know nothing more about phones than iPhone users. It's cool if you wanna hate for the sake of hating, I ain't mad atcha.

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As I see it, I got 10 days left to fully return my iphone 4 and get all my money back without restocking fee. That’s the ultimate way of judging if a product is worthy. Am I going to return it? Hell No! It’s the best phone I’ve ever used period. I’ve tried out many phones, but for me, nothing even comes close. The Nexus One I took it back in less than 2 weeks because it had quality problems with screen (HTC) and crappy 3G (T-Mobile).

Where I live, there are many hills and trees around me that block cell signal and out of all the phones I’ve had, the iphone 4 is the only phone I’ve tried so far that has great reception and the fastest 3G speeds I’ve ever seen hands down.

I’m getting 4-5 bars and 3G speeds ranging from 2000-5200 Kbps. Its also the first phone I’ve had where I don’t need to turn on the wifi and just use the 3G to web surf because the speed is extremely fast.

I didn’t even mention the apps and games on the iphone either. The quality and polish is superior to Android and WinMo without a doubt.

I can pretty much afford any phone and carrier I want, but I’m sticking with the iphone4 for now, the reason is, it’s just a better product. The day Android and HTC produces a much better overall product is the day I'll switch, but for now, that's not happening anytime soon.

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indeed that is the litmus test,

personally though I might rather have the Nexus One. Houston gets much better tmobile coverage HSPA and everything than ATT (which kind of sucks here). That AMOLED screen with nice hardware, and the fact that it always gets OTA updates first, as well as being like the most "modable" phone out there IMO, but I'd love to get hands on an i4 too.

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Well actually most of the tech blogs posted the info that Apple gave them..since Apple was bragging about the new antenna design would help with the dropped calls..since the antenna is wrapped around the device, holding it causes issues as described...all Apple had to do was include 2 antennas and adjust the use of one antenna to the other if held.

This is not a surprising concept...most phones have antenna in upper right corner..if you take your hand and pinch that corner you will instantly see your phone like 3 or more bars...

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I'm not saying Apple didn't drop the ball with the reception issue, they could have and should have recognized it and handled it.

What I'm saying is that the issue is obviously being taken as some kind of joyous occasion for people who own Android and WM devices because it somehow validates their arbitrary vitriol towards all things "Apple".

The new cool trend is to hate on iPhones to be cool, which is ironic because that makes you no worse than the "cool idiots" who own iPhones to be cool.

(not you per se gTen, you generally approach it with a more technical and well founded reasoning)

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I love technology and I will always have the latest and greatest...That includes, iphones, htc phones, windows or Android. I like it all, so stop hating and enjoy your individual phone purchases. One is not better then the other they just do different things better so please grow up.

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Right on,

I'm sitting at a desk right now with an iPhone 3G and an HD2 running a very stable build of Android 2.1 alongside an awesome 6.5 ROM with cookies home layout and some really amazing titanium tweaks.

I will soon have a Samsung Vibrant (which actually schools HTC phones cuz of the Hummingbird awesomeness and super AMOLED display) 4" baby! gonna root that bad boy and throw up a sweet 2.2 Nexus build on there.

I'm just a tech junkie lol.

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I could probably take a trip to xda for this answer, but how complete is Android on the HD2?

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From e n g a d g e t:

It's been a long, ugly road, but HD2 owners and hackers alike can finally bask in the glory of an open device with top-notch hardware and specs that still give mid 2010's best phones a run for their money. We'd already seen a stock Android 2.1-based ROM, but now we've got your choice of stock Android 2.2 or Android 2.1 with Sense, too -- seriously, pick your poison. Though HTC clearly never intended to get this kind of Sense on the HD2, there's something that just feels right about it, isn't there? Follow the break for videos of both firmwares in action.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/14/w...oyo-and-sense/