Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

for some its worth it for others its not, just like tf3d some hate it some love it. only was to find out if its for you is to try it.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Don't forget, 6.5 is still beta, so it will only continue to improve.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Sorry, but I've got to rant just a little here.

I've seen that a ton of people who have never flashed a 6.5 ROM trying out Juicy/MM's Copper project. For most of them I think it's probably a mistake. 6.5 is still beta (actually probably alpha!) - we don't have an official RC from Microsoft afaik. Copper is stripped down to it's bones on purpose. The idea is to start benchmarking and seeing how it all works, see what needs to be added and what doesn't, etc.

As for all the customizing - it will happen eventually. You can't seriously expect it to be all nice and easy before the OS has even been release do you? TBH - a lot of the effort people are spending on trying to figure out how Titanium works may be a little bit wasted. MS has already announced that they are going to release a new version of their old Theme Customizer. I'm sure that documentation for Titanium will be released at some point. Eventually we'll see all sorts of cool widgets being built. For now though, we just need to be patient. And if you want all the functionality of TF3d, then by all means use TF3d. It runs great on 6.5 - smooth as butter!

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

well said

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Agreed...very well said. But, I still enjoy tinkering with Titanium and playing around with different modifications to it, even if they may be short lived.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

OK, i've read the last 5 pages and I've seen the subjects of speed and UI come up several times but no mention of battery life. Has that improve any?

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Absolutely! Playing around with new stuff is hellafun... that's why I'm a developer IRL - lol :headbang:

My rant was just because I was seen a ton of people complaining about how sparse 6.5 is and wanting to know why the panels don't do stuff they want it to, etc.

I started up the battery logger just a little bit ago and left my phone to sit. I have it set to automatically receive emails from exchange at work and checks my gmail every 30 min. I also have the Titanium Weather app checking the weather every 30 min. I'm using the 1.11 radio.

Here's a copy of the log. I have nothing to compare it to though...

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

ummmm..... im never going back to 6.1......

6.5 just keeps getting better and better.

6.1 is not really finger friendly

6.5 is. i can actually scroll through my text messages, contacts, programs menu correctly

gotta love kinetic scrolling =) - that's the #1 reason why I'm on 6.5 for good

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Thank you for this valuable input. Why is this not important to some people? I hate the stylus! Someone was talking about usability earlier in this thread. Well, there it is.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

I'm a bit confused. I thought I already had kinetic scrolling on 6.1? Like flicking up and down your contacts right?

Don't want to sound like a hater, but running Mightymike's 4.16 I hardly ever pull out the stylus or click on the wrong things. 6.1 base is probably not finger friendly, but with all the enhancements it has received (rhodium) it is plenty finger friendly to me. And no I don't have little fingers.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

With kinetic scrolling the scroll speed and distance depends on the force/speed you flick the screen. TF3D menus (like the programs menu) does this although not as smooth as it could be.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Well I have to laugh because most people who say it is blazing fast are the same ones who said 6.1 was blazing fast when it was a Spec Rom...

Guys before you say how fast you think it is try loading it up with the same amount of crap you had installed in your 6.1 ROM...

What you have to realize is the ROMs your running are blazing fast because most are CLEAN ROMS with minimal apps installed!

Any OS is going to be blazing fast under those conditions.

And racing to crash is not really all that important to me...

I want stability...thats why I have been running Mighty's roms on my TP.
I'm sure he will get his colab with Juicy stable at some point too...

Some guys talk about the stone ages but what they do is live in OS infancy...

Add all the time you have to wait after a reset of a buggy OS and you'll find all that speed isn't so fast when you want to do something...

It will be a great OS once the genius' on this site and XDA remove all of MS's mistakes from it....

But stop telling people they are stupid or should run 5.0 just because they don't have your flash and reset fetish!

Some of us actually need to USE the phone on occassion!

6.5 will be good once it's finished...
It's ain't finished yet!
I am hoping between Mighty and Juicy putting their heads together they will actually make it useable without having to flash every week and reset every second!

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

I copied and pasted my oem selections from my 6.1 setup to 6.5 setup, and it's faster, same **** in rom, but most of the talk of speed regarding 21500 is that it's faster than all the other 6.5 sys's released to date

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

So your saying that kinetic scrolling exist in both 6.1 and 6.5 but 6.5 is smoother and more accurate?

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

i like your icons. mind sharing?

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I know Dan..it probably is a bit faster right now...Hell it better be! LOL

Sorry for the rant I just saw one poster I decided wasn't worth quoting tell someone to go run 5.0 and I just think that is a poor attitude to take on a legitimate subject...

Most paid upwards of $300-400 for their phone and it should be used as more than just something you flash the latest rom into...
I got a guy I work with who saw my flashed TP and he has been trying to outdo me every week...

The other day he tried to show me a 6.5 flash he put on and tried to show me how cool he was...
He missed 3 calls due to lockup and had to reset three times trying to show me how COOL 6.5 is...LOL

I just have to laugh at that!

I will run 6.5 when it's done and with MM and J working together that day may be much sooner than I thought...

But there are so many people who are noobs, don't know who come to this site for advice...
And yahoos who simply flash whatever rom came out last so he can say he has the latest are the same guys who convince people to brick and or makew their phone un-usable!

To me it is simply not an upgrade until it works better than what I have in EVERY way....

6.5 just isn't there yet....but with Copper I have hopes it soon will be.
And fully TF3D2 compatible...
If TF Detacher or second today works on it then I will have my cake and eat it too! LOL

Ihave faith in Mike and Juicy to get me there...
I know mike is as much a stickler for stability as I am!

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

no problem, need to also use something to move icons, or edit the rgu, it uses a dummy prov to replace the one in sys, because I'm lazy and don't like editing provs

http://dan-vogue-titan.ppckitchen.org/6.5%20icons.rar

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

No, only in the TF3D menus. ie; programs list. 6.5 has system wide kinetic scrolling. 6.1 only has 2(?) speeds? Slow and flick to the bottom/top.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

there is no weather tabbar on the new 6.5 interface...?

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Copper ROM is great for what it is, Just a beta. Yes, created by 2 of the most popular chefs around. But lets be honest. Alot of us are having more issues than we like to mention, out of respect I guess.

There isn't a many reliable cabs out for 6.5 yet, its all Trial and Error right now.

With that said.... Its obviously the direction Microsoft is going in....Its like transitioning from XP to Vista... Ugly at first, now its dependible but still waiting for windows7 to close the deal.

So the way I see it.... YOu can either join the fun. Install Copper0.0.0.1 and learn along with everyone on tweaks and configurations....

Or sit back for a few months and wait till the more complete and stable ROMS are fully cooked.

For myself. I am gonna get as much experience with wm 6.5 as I can. Trying to keep the pace....

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Not by default, but you can add it in.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

i would say no
just flashed to copper, and did the new rhodium tf3d from xda.
i do like the added features to tf3d, but WM6.5 is a joke. it's yet another TINY improvement. seriously, they changed a menu, ???
that's basically it
6.5 is like 6.1, which was just 6.0 with threaded text messages
and 6.0 was basically 5.0
all because they can't finish up windows mobile 7.

the 'new' features are probably not worth the bugs, lag, alpha status just yet

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

I'm glad I'm not the only one finding this sluggish. Yes, chrome is exciting because it's new, but it isn't really amazing. Personally, I think it could use a configuration tool.

People state that it's blazing fast, but I've experienced sluggishness and lockups while performing simple tasks. I went ahead and flipped up the caches and it helped a bit. (Yeah... I realize it's a BETA.) I'm having a more difficult time pressing OK in this version for some reason. The new Internet Explorer is extremely buggy/laggy, but if I can throw an older version on, I think I'll be set. Opera seems to run fine though, but I really want to take advantage of Chrome's IE menu. It's convenient.

Microsoft really oughta reconsider having Chrome's Music menu play all songs, and simply launch Windows Media Player instead. The larger the MP3 library, the harder it chunks.

I REALLY LOVE the new lock feature. It's brilliant!

I'll probably use it for another week and run back to MightyROM 4.16, unless I can get TouchFlo3D working.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Very true, I run windows 7 and wm6.5 as my main OSes

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

6.1 doesn't appear to have ANY sort of native kinetic scrolling support. Everything that I've seen appears to be provided by TF3D. As soon as you get to a non-TF3D app, the scrolling is utterly terrible. No inertia, accidental clicks, accidental text selection. It's just bad.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

With Juicy and Mighty's Collabo, Copper, i dont see myself goin back to 6.1. its so intuitve and fast. not to mention a fresh look.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

I personally prefer 6.1

6.5 looks way better, that's for sure, it's more finger friendly, the scrolling is so much smoother than 6.1. I don't care that much about those things, to be honest.

I have two little issues with 6.5:
1. lack of MRU (I use that a lot on 6.1, I miss it on 6.5)
2. you go deep in the settings menu, change one setting, and you're on the home page. If you need to change some other setting, you gotta do the whole navigation again.

To me, it's the form Vs function debate. I find 6.1 better suited for my needs right now. But 6.5 sure is pretty.

P.S. I haven't tried copper specifically

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

I find titanium to be alot faster and easier to navigate then manila, I always hated manilla, it's a retarded peice of software

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

I am the opposite until now.

I loved manila, wouldn't use any other todayscreen plugin. Until titanium came out :)

I absolutely LOVE IT.

I am still contemplating whether to include manila on MightyROM5.... I think it might get left out :D

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Wow that sounds really iPhony. But unlike the iPhone, I assume that is customizable, so I'm not that worried. There's probably some registry key entitled "Enable return to home after settings update [0 or 1]."

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

probly and if not gove it a lil time and im sure a Dev here or at XDA will figure it out. we just gotta wait.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

let me know when you find the registry key :evil4:

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Noooooooooooooo say it isn't so. I like Manila. Just to make sure I understand what we are talking about, the term Manila is used interchangably with TF3D right?

I haven't used Titanium. But is it is, does it provide the quick access to the same things as TF3D does without crowding your home screen? Looking at the different forums on how to cuztomize 6.5 makes my head spin. Don't think I have a handle on all the lingo being thrown around either.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

yes manila = touch flo 3d. Titanium is the plugin in the copper rom. flash and see how you like it. im with mike on this one. i have always been a huge manila fan, its one of the reasons i got the phone, but this rom in particular is makin me rethink it!

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Just to clarify, it's not limited to the copper rom. It's the default today plug-in for 6.5 in general.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Titanium is an enhanced version of Chrome which is the Smartphone (non-touch screen Windows Mobile) Today plug-in. Much of the customization of the UI can be done with simply editing the .crp files - which are just XML. They are also named very appropriately (ie LS_LockScene_480_640.cpr defines what your lock screen looks like in portrait if you have a VGA phone). Making new panels (think Tabs from TF3d) is a little more challenging, but mostly because not much has been developed specifically for Titanium, and the stuff that was done for Chrome just doesn't quite get you there. I have no doubt though that development for Titanium will be much easier than it is for TF3d/manila.

You may have also heard the term "Widgets". These have nothing to do with Titanium or the Today screen. These are special types of HTML files that WM 6.5 can use the new PIE infrastructure to display.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Well the key isn't going to be named that. That's how it would appear in an Advanced Config-like utility, though. And I didn't say I was going to look for it, just that I wasn't worried. 6.5 isn't out yet.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

Does Titanium allow you to customize the home screen to access the same amount of info as TF3D? Like preview text message, settings menu?

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

It doesn't preview messages, and by default it does not have a settings panel, but you can add one.

Re: WM 6.5 Is it worth it?
 

I downloaded copper this morning, now I realize how much I love TF3D... I'm currently going back to KK's.