Originally Posted by tom6433 (Post 667877)

JD i thanked you not because i am on the same side of the fence as you, but rather a guy that does take the time to read up on 90% of the things i do or want to do to my phone. i have not contributed anything, but i try to apply what i read on here to my own device and needs. i have tried a few roms, yours included, and they are great but they are not me. i am still struggling along, trying to read as much as i can whenever i can. i am sure i could list out what i want in a rom and someone could build it for me in a matter of minutes, but that doesn't help me. i am hoping most users will read what you copied from XDA (i am a mamber there too and do a lot of reading there as well) and learn something from it. i will likely never have half the knowledge that most of the chefs have, but i will keep plugging away.

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 667901)

I actually think both sites have their place.

You certainly don't belong on XDA if you're just looking for a quick fix or a cool new theme, but that's what a lot of newer users find here & I see nothing wrong with that myself.

Personally, I am constantly researching & learning new stuff about PPC's so I understand the stuff better. On the other hand, I have no problem whatever giving advice to a noob user that doesn't have to time or inclination to do that (but that's just me)

~John

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 667901)

On the other hand, I have no problem whatever giving advice to a noob user that doesn't have to time or inclination to do that (but that's just me)

~John

Originally Posted by aceracer24 (Post 667969)

They assume thier situation is far worse then anyone elses and should be exempt from the unwritten community rule standard of search, search and search again.

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Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 668021)

I don't necessarily assume this when it is a new poster. Say my 80 year old mother had just bought a new PPC & was having a problem with it. She jumps on Google & stumbles across this site & asks a simple question.

If somebody tells her "look, this has been asked & answered 500 times before" she would be completely baffled & simply move on to another site.

~John

Originally Posted by yerp (Post 668584)

ummmm.....i can see where this is coming from, but it doesn't make it any less of a steaming pile of pompous BS. the Dev&Hacking forum may have been started as a place to share knowledge, but it has not been anything but a dog and pony show for apps and mods as long is i have known(1.5 years). some of those threads and threads for certain ROMs here (no2Chem anyone?) are pushing THOUSANDS of posts long.....as someone else stated already, it is only going to get worse as time goes on and more people buy PPCs. hate to break it to ya....its just the way it is. in fairness, i'm going to post the OP of the thread this post came from, because it also has some valid points:

"All,

I've been a member of this forum for a few months now and am sincerely grateful for all the useful advice and help I have received. My own posting count is relatively low because I only try to help if I have something useful to say.

The one overriding post I tend to see these days is the idiot who likes bash the other users for not reading threads, doing searches etc. Now I actually have a full time job in the I.T industry, am pretty much computer savvy and enjoy tinkering with my phone when time allows. It seems to me some of the members here have far much too time on their hands and spend it endlessly trawling to give someone a mauling.

I wonder how many useful posts these people ever actually put in to the forum.

Now I agree that if you have the time to read all the relevant threads, do the searches etc you have a good chance of finding an answer. But there comes a time when some of these posts are just not feasible anymore. Dutty's rom post for 6.1 is a major epic these days and I for one don't have the time or inclination to scroll through all this especially when a whole load of it is just crap from people increasing their post count.

So my point is let people ask, especially the n00bs who probably don't realise the lambasting they're going to get. If you know the answer then reply, if you don't then shut up. That way the posts will get shorter and the idiots will get bored quicker."
-j1ngles
Senior Member
17-03-2008, 11:14 AM


i think the real lesson to take from these 2 conflicting views, is the age old mantra, "if you don't have anything nice/constructive to say/contribute, don't say anything". you are NEVER going to stop noobs from asking questions, so stop *****ing about it. simply ignore them, or lead them in the right direction so they learn something in the process. the WORST thing to do would be to chide them, berate them as an "noob/idiot/etc", and clog the thread up with more useless nonsense because then YOU are as much at fault as they are for making the threads unreadable to people with lives outside of PPC flashing/modding.

Originally Posted by yerp (Post 668584)

ummmm.....i can see where this is coming from, but it doesn't make it any less of a steaming pile of pompous BS. the Dev&Hacking forum may have been started as a place to share knowledge, but it has not been anything but a dog and pony show for apps and mods as long is i have known(1.5 years). some of those threads and threads for certain ROMs here (no2Chem anyone?) are pushing THOUSANDS of posts long.....as someone else stated already, it is only going to get worse as time goes on and more people buy PPCs. hate to break it to ya....its just the way it is. in fairness, i'm going to post the OP of the thread this post came from, because it also has some valid points:

"All,

I've been a member of this forum for a few months now and am sincerely grateful for all the useful advice and help I have received. My own posting count is relatively low because I only try to help if I have something useful to say.

The one overriding post I tend to see these days is the idiot who likes bash the other users for not reading threads, doing searches etc. Now I actually have a full time job in the I.T industry, am pretty much computer savvy and enjoy tinkering with my phone when time allows. It seems to me some of the members here have far much too time on their hands and spend it endlessly trawling to give someone a mauling.

I wonder how many useful posts these people ever actually put in to the forum.

Now I agree that if you have the time to read all the relevant threads, do the searches etc you have a good chance of finding an answer. But there comes a time when some of these posts are just not feasible anymore. Dutty's rom post for 6.1 is a major epic these days and I for one don't have the time or inclination to scroll through all this especially when a whole load of it is just crap from people increasing their post count.

So my point is let people ask, especially the n00bs who probably don't realise the lambasting they're going to get. If you know the answer then reply, if you don't then shut up. That way the posts will get shorter and the idiots will get bored quicker."
-j1ngles
Senior Member
17-03-2008, 11:14 AM


i think the real lesson to take from these 2 conflicting views, is the age old mantra, "if you don't have anything nice/constructive to say/contribute, don't say anything". you are NEVER going to stop noobs from asking questions, so stop *****ing about it. simply ignore them, or lead them in the right direction so they learn something in the process. the WORST thing to do would be to chide them, berate them as an "noob/idiot/etc", and clog the thread up with more useless nonsense because then YOU are as much at fault as they are for making the threads unreadable to people with lives outside of PPC flashing/modding.

Originally Posted by tom6433 (Post 667877)

JD i thanked you not because i am on the same side of the fence as you, but rather a guy that does take the time to read up on 90% of the things i do or want to do to my phone. i have not contributed anything, but i try to apply what i read on here to my own device and needs. i have tried a few roms, yours included, and they are great but they are not me. i am still struggling along, trying to read as much as i can whenever i can. i am sure i could list out what i want in a rom and someone could build it for me in a matter of minutes, but that doesn't help me. i am hoping most users will read what you copied from XDA (i am a mamber there too and do a lot of reading there as well) and learn something from it. i will likely never have half the knowledge that most of the chefs have, but i will keep plugging away.