So the big deal with RAPH800
 

so i have been reading and reading and checking custom ROMS. It seems there is a norm of NOT changing the Device ID to RAPH800.. now i understand that BCR will work in this ID but most are not willing to change it just for that app ..some say that it causes other problems ..it seems very hush hush...

Can someone explain why the big secracy of it all?

is changing the Device ID considered WARZE?? Will sprint call me and yell at me?

I would just like to understand it all if someone would be willing to talk about it..

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The program is considered warez by some...Not the ID.

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You're changing part of your phone so you can use a program you didn't pay for, and is not free, how is that not warez?

Due to the fact that it IS warez, and changing the Model ID has no other benefits, having a custom ROM with that would be promoting the Warez, or doing nothing at all, so why change it?

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okay so i do understand that but you can download an pay for the app and use on phone with RAPH800 ID ...they have a 30day trial

so would that still be considered warez?

someone else said it cause other problems ..thats what im trying to find out ...i wanted to weigh the pros and cons of having the device ID set to RAPH800...

besides there are a number of apps that are added to the custom roms that are not free ( trial versions etc ) or am i mistaken?

Please dont get this wrong , i am just trying to understand all of this ..i am i no way tring to start anything by these posts except for just info

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Just say "no" to warez!!!

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What the heck is BCR?

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buisness card reader..
you can take a picture of a business card and it will add the inof to your contacts

it is a nice app and seems to work pretty good

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I tried it, and it hardly worked at all, but ok.

You can download one of their trials that doesn't require you to change the Model ID I believe.

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nope the trials do not work with the Sprint Diamond at this time ...thats from an email from them ..

so what if someone made a normal ROM ( default ) with just the Device ID RAPH800.. would that still be considered warez? sort of let people add what they want ..this way people could actualy buy the app and use it on the sprint diamond...

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I believe the issue is in the OEM floating around here, it was grabbed from a rom where the carrier paid their licensing fee to have that software on their rom, a Raphael rom. Someone assumed that since it was like that, the software is free with no trial period. It's not and illegal. Same is going on at xda with adobe flash v3.1 and their legal team, surprised it hasn't hit here yet....Same thing with Music ID here as well.

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I think i understand ...your saying that the carrier paid to have the app exclusively on thier device? so realy the illegal activity is the actual application not the fact that a ROM has a diffrent Device ID .. Or is it?

If someone was to make a ROM that had the Device ID of RAPH800 with no illegal application , would that still be considered WARZE?

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ok i see whats the problem with using raph800 in a rom but what exactly is raph800?

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and what makes it in such high demand?

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Would you stop calling it WARZE!

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lol...NO, having the device ID set to RAPH800 is not warez

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But Tobey, didn't you first promote this yourself??:

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the gloves, they have been taken off.

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[quote=tobeychris;675557]Would you stop calling it WARZE![/

I know whats its called ..i did it that way because i didnt think the word was actualy okay to talk about on this forum....

Okay back on topic ...hehehe..

other then BCR , is there any other benefit have that device ID set to RAPH800?

Re: So the big deal with RAPH800
 

Hi, bro
could u please stop asking chef to cook a custom ROM for urself? seems not many demand for it here . it's like asking someone to do something they don't want to do. if you really wants it , u can do it yourself. shouldn't be that hard.

Re: So the big deal with RAPH800
 

haha, Inda way to use your 1000th post to ask for a title shot.

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It's like buying a laptop with Microsoft Office preloaded on it, and then somehow copying it off, and putting it on other people's laptop...it's not legal. The manufacturer, and ultimately the person who bought that laptop payed licensing fees to Microsoft, even if it wasn't expressly on the receipt.

I mean technically...every custom rom could be considered copyrite infringement to Microsoft. Granted, we all have licenses when we bought our Diamonds...but if I were to some how (if it was possbile) put one of these custom roms on a G1, it would be violating Microsoft's copyrite for Windows Mobile.

Re: So the big deal with RAPH800
 

this is true ...
But the real talk is not about an application but a Device ID change that can allow applications that otherwise would not work to work.
To go one step further, i can purchase the app and be able to use it if the device id was infact changed ...

So now if i purchase a licens for the app and use it on a diamond with a diffrent device ID does this still make it illegal? would the app creator really care since i purchased it?

Another way of looking at it is ( as posted befor ) maybe the application creator could get in trouble because the carrier paid for exclusive use of the app.. But the app creator has if for sale on their site ( even trial version ) so the exclusive is out i think

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The key is when you said "If I buy."

If you buy a Touch Pro with the software on it, then completely take it off of the Touch Pro and put it on the Diamond it probably isn't illegal...you would have to check the license agreement to be sure, but if anything you're just violating the agreement, not breaking any copyright laws or violating intellecual property. If you keep it on both devices, it probably is illegal.

While changing it to RAPH800 may violate certain agreements with Sprint and the software vendor, it in itself is not illegal.

I think the key here is using software that you did not buy. If you copy software off of a device that isn't readily available publicly, and use it on another device (did not pay for it), then that is illegal. The code or key is totally secondary. You can relate it to having a CD key for Office. Knowing the key isn't necessarily illegal...I can write it on a post-it note and keep it on my desk and it doesn't harm anyone....but when I copy the program on my computer without paying for it, then it is.

To make this simple, just check the software. I'm sure there's some sort of license agreement somewhere on it.

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Email from the company who makes the app..


Mr. Rico,

Thank you very much for writing to us. If you look at our website:
http://worldcard.penpowerinc.com/worldcard-mobile-standard.html , at t
note section, you would find that our program works only for GSM
network. So it won't work with your system. If you like other products,
please let us know.Thank again for being interested in Penpower products.

Best Regards

Jack


so according to the compaby of this app this app should not be on a Touch Pro from sprint either ???

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The application has absolutely nothing to do with the network. It's like saying that those pants won't work with your computer.

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App requirements

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‧Asus: P525, P535, P735, P750, P527
‧GigaByte: Gsmart i300, i350
‧MiTac: A501, A702
‧HTC: TyTN, TyTN II, CRUISE, Touch Diamond , Touch pro ,
T-Mobile MDA Compact IV
‧AT&T: 8285,Tilt
‧Qtek: S200

[Note] ‧WorldCard mobile only for GSM network.‧If your system matches our system requirement, please go ahead to give it a try. We provide you free trial version.

Re: So the big deal with RAPH800
 

As of current copyright law, it is technically illegal for you to take it from one device to another (unless the End User License Agreement (EULA) specifies otherwise.

While most copyright experts would agree that such conduct falls under the personal fair use category and should be exempted, the Office of the Copyright Registrar disagrees.

Since there is no case law on point, the end result is that it is illegal, but you will never be prosecuted for it.

Sorry, if this is more info than anyone wanted.

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No, the end result is you don't know what the result will be if you were prosecuted. You can not predict whether you will be prosecuted.

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The app has nothing to do with the network it has something to do with the camera and thats it . As it is HTC has the license in question to use on their phones which ever model that they want it is a part of the Touch HD and the Touch Pro as far as I know for now its just like Sprite Mobile Backup which is included in the GSM At&t ROM

Re: So the big deal with RAPH800
 

So using the device ID is just a refrence point so that the app knows what type of camera is on the phone?

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True...and everyone that has downloaded one of these cooked roms could TECHNICALLY be prosecuted....and everyone who has ever downloaded an MP3 without paying for it could Technically be prosecuted...and I could TECHNICALLY get fired from my job for typing right now lol. I agree with you though...I think people are clouding the real issue here with ID #'s and the like.

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Corrected. Some poor explanation on my part.

Disagree. Predict: foretell on the basis of observation. Given that there have been no prosecutions for space-shifting (moving digital media from one device to another.) Then on the basis of that observation I can predict with a high degree of certainty that I will not be prosecuted.

Furthermore, most content providers are afraid of suing someone for personal fair use space-shifting in fear that a court decision will give personal fair use a broad interpretation and limit content owners' copyrights.
(see Newmark v.Turner Broad. Network, 226 F. Supp. 2d 1215 (2002) where the court dismissed a declaratory lawsuit after the studios settled a suit against Replay TV and promised not to sue individuals.)

Therefore I feel entirely comfortable with my prediction that I will not be sued for personal fair use space-shifting in moving my digital media from one device to another.
;)

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That's prolly what no2chem thought before verisign served him with papers. Prolly what Juicy thought before Microsoft asked him to cease and desist with the sys he was using too.

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big difference between personal fair use and distribution, but a fair point.

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Juicy had source code that had not been released by microsoft ( so i read from his posts ) ...thats a BIG NO NO...

havent read about no2chem..

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and according to the applications site , the app is designed to work with all of HTC phones including the Diamond ..but only for GSM devices...

So as one poster back said that the app doesnt care about the network but what camera it uses ..so im guessing that the app is using the device ID as a reffrence for what type of camera it is using...im guessing here !! being from a programers background this is NOT uncomon to do ..


But since the phoen is our property should i not be able to name it as i please? or is that illegal ? if so then how could it be ?

these are the answers we need ..hehehe...
the application is in trial version so it can be used freely.. besides i dont think that the cab file ( not the trial one ) is on this site, or is it?

Re: So the big deal with RAPH800
 

read:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=40106

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lol - that's a self-defeating way of saying it; you may as well quit pretending you have a right if you're not going to sue because the courts might rule you don't. I agree with your prior statment more...check the terms of the license.
Ever hear the absence of data is not proof? A lot of people have ended up behind bars because of similar logic. I agree with you though, if the license doesn't preclude it, you're probably safe. If the license does preclude it though, you're unlikely to win a contest.

Re: So the big deal with RAPH800
 

mozilla is said to be releasing fennec for the Touch Pro only... how do you suppose they'll control that? RAPH800 ID maybe?

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Where'd you hear that?!?!