Originally Posted by MrObvious (Post 1015263)

*sigh* I'm not a Sprint fanboy by any means but at least they will let you keep a Diamond. Plus their customer service has reportedly improved.

Originally Posted by mr.8820 (Post 1015273)

this thread is funny! but i see that you can't say anything bad about big red without the same guys showing up and posting the same thing in every anti-verizon thread! and we're supposed to be sprint fanboys lol!

Originally Posted by bradart (Post 1015308)

O.K. Speaking from my experience....
//possible sprint fanboyism
I've tried every major carrier in the U.S.
I prefer sprint.....Greatly
Least gimped handsets by far
//end possible sprint fanboyism
This seems like a prime instance where you can break your contract with no ramification. You would be able to go try out every carrier available in your region for 30 days and go where you will from there. Verizonis pretty much out to screw you and, speaking purely from a fiscal perspetive, getting the hell out of there right now seems to be your best bet. I'm not saying switch to Sprint, just to get the hell out of Verizon. You should be able to take your Altell Diamond to any other CDMA carrier and get that beast back on the prowl. I hope this works out for you, bro. This is some B*S* and you don't deserve to come out underneath their bright red boots of injustice.

Originally Posted by twelve_dollars (Post 1015376)

Are you trying to assert that Verizon won't be able to screw with you because of your high thanks count and VIPness? I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you this, but Big Red doesn't know or care about how helpful you are on this forum.

Originally Posted by bikeandestroyx (Post 1015514)

COOL! i just finished chatting with a verizon rep this is what he said when i told him i wanted to activate an alltel diamond!

Gregory: you would not be able to activate that phone on the Verizon network because it runs on a different program from our CDMA network, you can get service with us and get a phone that would work on our network.

Is he ****ing joking? haha those reps make me laugh, gonna have to call when i get back in the US

Originally Posted by bikeandestroyx (Post 1015514)

COOL! i just finished chatting with a verizon rep this is what he said when i told him i wanted to activate an alltel diamond!

Gregory: you would not be able to activate that phone on the Verizon network because it runs on a different program from our CDMA network, you can get service with us and get a phone that would work on our network.

Is he ****ing joking? haha those reps make me laugh, gonna have to call when i get back in the US

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 1013883)

No kidding, this becomes super annoying every single time a post like this comes up (& I see that even after you posted this three more DB's stll had to add in their 2 cents about Sprint......

All you Sprint "fanboys", go post somewhere else. If switching to Sprint was a legit option, I'm sure the OP would have already done it.................

By the way, I have used both Sprint & my current VZ service & no way will I ever go back to Sprint......

~John

Originally Posted by codybear (Post 1014677)

I won't let them give me a verizon TP over my un-gimped alltel TP.
Not going to happen.
If they do, they will pay me my $ back for the phone, full retail,
and then cancel my contract, and give me $ to compensate for my time/trouble/lost business due to the number change when I have to go to another carrier.
I don't get screwed over like most, I do the screwing.
hahahaha.

no way am I getting a new phone, not my problem they finally decided to do the merger after owning alltel for 3 years.

Originally Posted by proslasher (Post 1015921)

No, they aren't joking. Even a supervisor will tell you the same thing :-\

Originally Posted by donj72 (Post 1014258)

You get upset about some pretty dumb stuff. We all have choices and can go to any phone company that we choose to and there is nothing wrong with someone offering advice from their experiences. I personally would not choose Sprint or Verizon because they are both raping the public. If I had to choose between the two I would choose Sprint because Verizon seems to think that there can be only one (kinda like Highlander) and has cut the head off of Alltel and sucked up their power and now EVERYONE has been left with less choices thanks to power hungry Verizon. Seems as though most of the VIP people on here have and attitude and think that what they say is gospel and there should be no choices other than what they want. Yeah I said it so what.

Originally Posted by codybear (Post 1015166)

laugh all you want,
I will be laughing when everyone else gets screwed and I don't. haha.


you're not all there are you?
do you see the million other posts I make pointing people in the right direction, giving them the info, did you read my other replies to your post.
obviously not....:angry7::angry7:

Originally Posted by donj72 (Post 1016277)

I'm not all there??? You are the one saying that you are SOMEHOW gonna get special treatment and gonna be laughing while everyone is getting screwed.
Do you really like to watch other people suffer?

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 1016031)

okay for one thing
when every single post even asking for assistance, about a specific feature (for example) that's carrier specific, chime in omg go to sprint. No one asked if they wanted to switch and for the life of me I don't understand what you mean whatsover. The topic has NOTHING TO DO with choosing phone companies, its about getting a pocket pc to work. That's the issue, and I am addressing what's hindering it. Dumb? Maybe. But you didn't have to post either so you're not pretty better than me...

Your retarded tirade against a friggin rank...VIP people I mean FFS do you even pay attention? The nonsense of VIP or not doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Its a frickin forum and just for a second think...
the internet is not real
so why are you seriously stressing over VIP over non VIP? Its absolutely ridiculous!

To the OP, I understand you don't want to vzw convert, but at this point, what choice do you have? You even said your phone is not picking up alltel anything. Which means in part the merger is semi complete. My suggestion to use a vzw prl is simple

switch devices
deactivate the alltel device for some crappy vzw device and switch it back on. THat I have done and the esn was luckily added to the vzw dmd. What that would do essentially (and hopefully) transfer all info to your info to the vzw network while the system will say okay, this is a vzw device. It worked once for me...

But there is also the option of using bad illegal things forbidden to be discussed on ppcgeeks as another option. Insofar though, you don't have many options and I am seriously sorry because I've been there. But you do have SOME...just not many available...

Also what happened to another member is that they didn't activate vzw equipment for months and they were going to be charged for not activating equipment. So be very careful with that...

Originally Posted by donj72 (Post 1016383)

Some of the members that have been around for a while seem to be the worst and that's why I am using VIP. Some people here just need to pull the PPC out their butt and be a little more helpful rather than throwing out insults when some new guy offers his opinion or is a little off topic.

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 1016031)

To the OP, I understand you don't want to vzw convert, but at this point, what choice do you have? You even said your phone is not picking up alltel anything. Which means in part the merger is semi complete. My suggestion to use a vzw prl is simple

switch devices
deactivate the alltel device for some crappy vzw device and switch it back on. THat I have done and the esn was luckily added to the vzw dmd. What that would do essentially (and hopefully) transfer all info to your info to the vzw network while the system will say okay, this is a vzw device. It worked once for me...

But there is also the option of using bad illegal things forbidden to be discussed on ppcgeeks as another option. Insofar though, you don't have many options and I am seriously sorry because I've been there. But you do have SOME...just not many available...

Also what happened to another member is that they didn't activate vzw equipment for months and they were going to be charged for not activating equipment. So be very careful with that...

Originally Posted by codybear (Post 1016332)

Well 99% of the people don't know how to talk to the customer service reps/manager when they call in.
They think they do,
but really, unless you've worked as one,
you don't really know how to get what you want 100%.

Originally Posted by bradart (Post 1017072)

I wasn't trying to be a Sprint fanboy or telling you to convert to them, OP. Just from my experiences when i had Verizon, they are very,very stubborn. Remember the 1 cent versus .01 cents fiasco? Dealing with the question at hand, what exactly have you tried so far in terms of messing with the phone itself, not the customer disservice reps? I'm really not seeing why verizon claims to be using a different version of CDMA, in addition to the fact that they now own the company that uses the "other" CDMA. I'm sure, as the good geeks before me have said, theres something you can do to reclaim at least SOME of your phone's functionality.

Originally Posted by proslasher (Post 1018286)

I work in a call center. I know what it's like.

Originally Posted by etski (Post 1018799)

This is quite an interesting thread! I'm amazed it hasn't gone up in flames!

Since everyone here talks about screwing instead of getting screwed, why not try this strategy.

Verizon sounds like they're clearly not delivering on the contract you made with Alltel. If the phone you bought from Alltel can't deliver on the verizon network, they should either give you a phone of comparable quality or they should clearly let you out of your end of the contract since they are the ones that have broken the contract. In any case this should occur without you returning your old phone. If they don't agree, I would absolutely activate your old phone on a different network and refuse to give them another dime. They really have no recourse since they broke the contract! If you're on autopay, dispute the payment and contact your credit card company! Do not give verizon another penny! Let them hang in the breeze like they're letting you hang!

Originally Posted by codybear (Post 1018835)

Nice, most don't have an idea.
I hope you listened in on those calls you put into the escalations queue.
If not, then that's no bueno.
I did, and I learned toooooons of things. haha
:twisted::twisted:

Originally Posted by proslasher (Post 1018964)

Dude we actually don't have an escalation queue... We do the old fashion way... Call the person running the floor controling breaks etc, and they send a supervisor with a Y cord and a headset and we listen in and they finish the call. Haha. The only problem is most of the complaints are about employees because we actually a public service call center, where we give leasing information about apartments to those who call us.

Originally Posted by MrObvious (Post 1019869)

If Verizon screws me and wants me to go to their plan then I'm going to leave but I'm gonna try to wait around and see what happens.

Originally Posted by codybear (Post 1021306)

haha, same.
I might become a sprint fanboy. :D:D:D
:p:p:p

Originally Posted by codybear (Post 1014388)

obviously you haven't been around long enough.
Wait, you too will see everyone's switch to sprint post when they're asking a legitimate question and need a legitimate answer.
Best not to post if you haven't been around longer than a week.
Yeah, I said it.
You stay around long enough to become VIP,
you'll realize what I've said, what others said.
You'll also realize why sometimes the longer members are mean to people.
Since we answer the same questions about 10 times throughout anygiven week when a simple search could have found the answer.
Again, you're new,
so don't even think you know it all.

Originally Posted by Erythros (Post 1021457)

Are you serious???
Join date Dec 2008??? - you consider this long enough???
And just because you put your 2 cents into every post and get thanked 20% of the time which makes your "points" get high enough to be considered a "VIP" does not give you the right to berate another poster's comment.
I visit this site DAILY and read most posts, and REAL VIPs will not act in this fashion.

Originally Posted by ksg (Post 1022089)

None of this makes any sense to me. How are they stripping out SMS which is part of the signaling/control channel? That is part of the CDMA/CDMA2000 standard.

Even if they didn't allow our Alltel phones data/MMS (because it is missing the DMU stuff), couldn't we just load a Verizon PRI, PRL, DMU and then call *228 to activate for good measure? Wouldn't that now turn on our phone into a 'verizon phone?' -- as long as they'll take/activate an Alltel ESN/MEID, this doesn't seem like it'd be an issue.

I guess I'll have my own tests to conduct once I get switched over to Verizon. Seemingly, this all happens next week for me. :???:

Originally Posted by ksg (Post 1022089)

None of this makes any sense to me. How are they stripping out SMS which is part of the signaling/control channel? That is part of the CDMA/CDMA2000 standard.

Even if they didn't allow our Alltel phones data/MMS (because it is missing the DMU stuff), couldn't we just load a Verizon PRI, PRL, DMU and then call *228 to activate for good measure? Wouldn't that now turn on our phone into a 'verizon phone?' -- as long as they'll take/activate an Alltel ESN/MEID, this doesn't seem like it'd be an issue.

I guess I'll have my own tests to conduct once I get switched over to Verizon. Seemingly, this all happens next week for me. :???:

Originally Posted by MrObvious (Post 1022414)

Yeah I know. I'm pretty frustrated myself if this is true. Who is up for a class action lawsuit if it is?

Originally Posted by Biker1 (Post 1023536)

Wow.....for the first time since joining here, it feels like a place I left awhile ago...SU :(

I have been with Sprint for almost 10 years. A few years ago I was having issues with Sprint so I ported over to verizon.
What a mistake.
Almost everything I was told about the plan I was switching to was a lie.
I ported back to sprint after 3 days.
It took me 7 months to get the money that was due me back from verizon.
That was then and now is now.
I don't know if things had changed.
I will say this, alot has changed for the better with Sprint.
I don't know if things have changed for the better with Verizon.
Sprint was hungry and saw that improvement was needed in many areas in order to stop losing customers and become profitable.
I don't think Verizon was ever hungry and therefore may not have thought they needed to improve in anyareas.
Just a thought.

Originally Posted by codybear (Post 1021509)

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Well I came from xda broseph.
There are alot more technical things over there and alot more technical breakdowns.
All the freeware apps that are here or anything else developed by a person in their free time was done so by someone over at xda, and then reposted here either by them but the majority of the time by someone else.
Therefore, xda database > ppcgeeks database.

I too visit this one daily.
Along with about 10 other ones.
Alot more technical ones than this site.

It's funny how people didn't try and call me out like this till I was a VIP.
Didn't happen till then.
Take the ****in title if you want.
I don't care to be VIP.
It in no way affects me or my posts.

It's funny how just because I'm vip now
(just happened less than 4 days ago)
you call me out, all the other people that say the same thing I do are not getting called out.
What gives..... jealous?

And obviously you don't see all the posts then.
Or even most posts.....If so, then you'd see vip's call people out like I did.
Alot of them.
You'd also see it behind closed doors where it happens alot more,
but you can't access those areas, and I don't believe in doing it behind people's backs.


Well if you want to get technical on length,
I can pull out my other more technical phone websites that I visit and kill that dispute.
And I'm not mean simply on that.
Obviously you didn't read everything now did ya?....
I'm not ruining it, technically YOU are for bringing up a dead argument and butting in a argument with someone else. You were not even involved in this....


Much effort?
Google is two characters less than ppcgeeks
One click is alot easier than clicking a bunch of buttons to make a new post or search posts here.
I don't think that takes much effort at all.
And if they don't search, I usually post links to other threads that have the answer.
Obviously you didn't read this thread or you'd know that, and know other things I do to help.
And isn't a forum here for people to read other people's problems/mods/hacks/etc and learn how to do them....
Funny how everything comes back to reading, isn't it?

I've returned that favor when I was still a brand new person on the Pocket pc scene.
I would search people's question on google, and find it for them.
It wouldn't take me long at all.
Again, if you read the rest of this thread, specifically my posts in it, you'd realize that now wouldn't you....


He was talking about what he could do with his verizon/alltel problems.
Didn't mention anything about switching carriers.
Yes, the person could post
I like sprint for these reasons,
not simple "switch to sprint" that everyone posts EVERYWHERE for ANY phone problem when the OP is not on sprint.
Therefore, it gets RIDICULOUS to have it as a solution for everything.
Switching to sprint doesn't solve every phone problem,
if it did, then what would you sprint people do if you had a problem,
that's to say if you sprint people even had a problem (as if it solved everything then you shouldn't have one).
I don't care if MANY members like their sprint service.
If someone was asking if they would like to switch and what carriers are good, etc, then yea, post "switch to sprint" but be detailed like I stated above by saying something along the lines of I like sprint because blah blah blah, I get really good service/coverage/etc.
Not just switch to sprint because that does not help ONE BIT
in helping the original poster decide if he would want to switch.

"could have answered service questions and serve as a decision maker for this poster"
He didn't even post anything besides switch to sprint.
there's no helpful parts there, no service questions, no nothing.
He hasn't even been back to this thread.
He was just looking for a place to say switch to sprint.
Heck he's prolly works in a sprint store and sells phones for commission.
Atleast that's what I get by his post.

I could sit here and do this alllllll night long.

I wouldn't have cared if he had gone into the least bit of detail of why the OP should have switched to sprint, but yet, he just said switch to sprint.
That does nothing but waste the OP time, PPCGeeks bandwith, a valuable spot on the thread for a better answer, and both of our times as this discussion wouldn't be happening.

Again, no one seemed to care before I was VIP, now that I'm VIP I guess I just have a big head and go around hunting for posts to call out.
haha.

If you would have read "most" of the posts, then you would have seen one of the countless number of posts I have made in the vogue section helping people. If you're at xda, in the vogue section, and a few other sections, you would also see the countelss number of helpful posts I've made.
So you can't play it off that I don't give back to the ppc community.

Another thing, if sprint is sooooooooo good, then why was it relying on the pre to bring itself back into the game and actually get people to join sprint?
The only good comments I heard for the past few years were about the prices/sero plans.

This was a dead horse, and you brought it back to life full force.

I'm done with you, and the other people that keep calling me out because I'm VIP. It's retarted. Didn't happen AT ALL before I was a VIP.
But now, because I am one, and I'd rather not even be one,
I get ripped a new one for being a vip because I have actually helped out people and gave back to the community? How the heck does that work?


But I'm done with this thread.
we all don't need to get banned or get this thread closed or keep off topic discussion going as I'm sure the OP doesn't appreciate it much.

Originally Posted by Erythros (Post 1026872)

First, my apologies to the OP, my hope is that all answers provided by all members provide some insight to your issue.....
Next,
Seriously?
Broseph,

For the sake of a shorter than needed post I am not even going to waste my time extending this longer than it needs to by rebutting your entirely overdone off-point rebuttal, you obviously didn't pay attention.
You missed the majority of the point......

Maybe you get called out as a VIP because you specifically "stated" here and in other posts you were a VIP, I guess because it makes you feel better about yourself, just before berating someone else as if you are now a forum GOD with an almighty know-it-all voice of authority.

I had previously looked at your other posts and you have been fairly helpful over the course of the past six months, and the thanks you have received indicate how helpful you have been.

I too hate that I am involved in an off topic discussion, and I figured you would at least get the point to not be so heavy handed to the fanboys or newbies with your new found AUTHORITY/POWER!!! It is because of fanboys that these forums exist in the first place just as you are a fanboy of your beloved Touch Pro as you often state in your posts, sometimes off-topic. Let ye who has never gone off-topic cast the first stone.

You obviously couldn't wait for the POWER!!!! Quoting you from another post....

"I'll be on here a little later trying to acheive my VIP status. haha
I only have like 60 more to go.
Hopefully I'll be able to join ya there sometime today/tomorrow. :headbang:"


My whole point from the beginning was I was nicely stating don't be an A$$ to the other "lesser" members, even if their input is all of switch to X carrier. If you want to be a good VIP inform these mortals to just elaborate on their statement without berating them. This is your role.

And ummm.. <Cough> also came from XDA almost 3 years ago <cough>
/also visit other ppc sites. (More than 7).

/Done with you

Originally Posted by ksg (Post 1032568)

Just a quick update - my area supposedly switched from Alltel to Verizon this past weekend. Everything works fine. Data/text messaging/voice.

Originally Posted by codybear (Post 1033598)

Sweetness, good to hear.
But have you swapped to a verizon plan?
Or still on your alltel plan?
just wondering.