Re: Why sound isn't working on the TP2.
 

I remember using it back when trying to port linux to my Dell X30. Never happened then again everyone went to a smart phone or newer Dell Pocket PC.


I agree HARET is one epically awesome program.

Re: Why sound isn't working on the TP2.
 

I found the data sheet for MSM7500 (CDMA Touch Pro) and MSM7600 (CDMA Touch Pro 2). Not sure if its useful.

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very good document. unfortunately, a lot of us have learned the hard way that the 7201a is a lot different, along with other hardware on the rhodium...and so far there has not been a datasheet found...very good research, though

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Man you reply before I finished editing my post. I was under the impression that the community refers back to the older devices. I figure I might look for the data sheets of the TP2s predecessor.

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I've been scouring around looking for msm 7600a data sheets/info.
no dice yet. I started putting up reqs/threads in some chinese forums this last weekend. There should be some data sheets in english somewhere.

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Found more info on a qualcomm website.

http://www.qdevnet.com/dev/chips/msm...chipset-family

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im pretty sure almost every dev out there has searched for info. Specially on a public website. So don't bother with that.

Any progress on haret?

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So has this gone from not possible at all, to maybe one day 1/10000 chance possible..??

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I don't remember this ever being not possible at all...

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I just remember glazing over Slacksouls first post and reading

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You have confused not possible and not able. Almost anything is possible given enough time and thought. You could make the phone sing and dance with the iphone OS running an emulated android in the background if you really wanted, granted it would probably require a SIGNIFICANT amount of time, not to mention some drastic modifications to the hardware to account for the dancing part... But it's still possible.

All he said there is that they need more information or ELSE it won't happen. Which is true about any aspect of any development process.

And what he said there isn't entirely accurate anyways, They can also go about it by hardware debugging rather than software disassembly... There are always ways to do things...

Again the issue comes back down to the same old story... Time... You guys have no idea how long it takes to disassemble even a little portion of a file let alone the entire thing... Even trained professionals that do this day in and day out struggle with it. And these are just people doing this in their spare time away from their own personal lives... (or in some cases, made this their personal lives ;) )

Again, it was never "Not possible." It's just that it takes a lot of time and trial and error and so on and so forth to even come up with any type of results at all and there are a limited amount of developers that actually know what their doing that are ACTIVE on the project as it is...

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where can i find those parsing scripts you mentioned earlier?
I also pulled the trigger on the freelancer thing. they'll be getting started next week on the decompiling of the driver. I'll post up what they give me for verification. (Any quick/dirty way i can verify what they give me isn't worthless?)

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script for parsing what exactly?

ok, so you got a freelancer to decompile ? No idea how to check. If i knew arm asm, id probably would have figured this out by now.

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Cool story..

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exelent explaination ! hope you get complete the proyect some day mi donation its in waiting mode :P

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any chance the froyo build will help with the tp2 sound issue?

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not at all.. android itself has nothing to do with the issue. its all kernel related.

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I think he means for parsing the haret dumps

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those haret memory dumps you can read with a binary viewer. or use the command below to parse em

od -v -A x -t x4 <my dump>

Re: Why sound isn't working on the TP2.
 

Well today when I was setting up the latest xdaandroid on my device when I was clicking the onscreen buttons to configure my gmail account I could here the slightest beeps. They happened only when I clicked the button and not just when i touched anywhere on the screen. Was just something I noticed.

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Thanks for a great explanation, and all the work you all put in.

I used to be a programmer years ago, and new C+ but I'm a little outdated and wouldn't know where to start helping;
Anyone written up a quick and dirty guide to helping? Maybe if we throw enough programmes at it we will find it?

Grymcent

Re: Why sound isn't working on the TP2.
 

any word from " freelancer thing. they'll be getting started next week on the decompiling of the driver" variance talked about?

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Just thinking logically here... Next week, is this week, and he said they'll be getting started... so my guess is that it is going to take them some time to decompile/disassemble it all. Run it through a few verification processes, as any business that intends to stay in business would, and then submit the work back to the customer... I wouldn't expect anything until the end of the week at the VERY LEAST and that's a pretty damn short time for this kind of work. Just a guess.

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I am wondering if you know what's the expected freelance sound work is going to cost and how we can help?

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gotcha. i guess im just impatient. nasty vice, impatience. =P

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Maybe someone can get in contact with Darch or Cyanogen.. they fixed sound problems on various kernels on android phones with the newer updates. they might have an idea on this.. just throwing it out there.

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I'm assuming you've already ripped through all of the released Android Linux kernels on the HTC site?

http://developer.htc.com/

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Thanks for the detailed explanation. I wish I could be of any help! I cross my fingers you ever get this to work on Rhodium and Topaz! Keep up the good work!

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Ohh you can help.. raise funds to buy more devs tp2s.

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pretty damn useless .. lol

not enough kernel devs have tp2s.

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I notice a while back that if I turn on my TP2 with the usb head set or head phones connected, I get no sound out of WinMo. This morning I tried it again and I get the same results. I even called some one and they could hear me but I couldn't hear them.

I can't remember the rom I was using when this first happen but right now I'm using Mr. X (not the latest, the one before).

Just an observation. Hopefully that might get some ones brain gears turning.

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I'd be happy to test stuff for the kernel devs. (I can't donate my device to science cuz it's my daily use phone) but I'd be more than happy to test packages, etc.

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I did a search and found these free disassemblers/decompilers.

I'm currently playing with a couple of them and the wavedev.dll file.

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I downloaded RecStudio from here: http://www.backerstreet.com/rec/recdload.htm

Then I ran the .dll file through the disassembler

Will any of this help ?

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just quick update. the chinese devs have already begun on the decompile. I'm getting a friend who's a BS compsci to look at the code they give me to verify quality of work and identify the calls and all that. thing is. he's also in third year med-school. I only get updates from him on the weekend.

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Thanks for the update :D

Your contribution is much appreciated. I'm really glad that there are some that have some resources to contribute. I wish my economical position were such that I could be as generous.

I'm truly thankful for all the devs and contributors of other resources (financial and testing) that have made this project what it is and what it will become.

THANK YOU :)

Re: Why sound isn't working on the TP2.
 

lol... disassembling alone wont help. I mean i have disassembled almost all the files needed for hardware 3d and have some basic understanding of it but i'm no ASM guru. Yall should read my open gl thread.. lot of asm there.

It would be nice if we were to get something more devs can dive into. For example tracing exactly what a call does from start to end. Asm bounces around a lot so its easy to lose track if you aren't a used to it.

can these guys conver the asm to C for us ? lol.. maybe too much to ask.

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Has anyone from the actual Android Development team chimed in on this at all..?? I'm sure they'd be able to lend a hand in decompiling, coding, etc... Although I still don't see this ever making it to 100%, it would be cool to get some more knowledgeable individuals involved, who actually know what files do what, and most importantly enough most of the Android dev's were most likely WinMo dev's at one point so they'd specifically know what to change and what not..

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It is certainly possible to get a C/C++ implementation out of ASM for a particular architecture. Not sure if it would be prohibitively expensive (975 min order, )or whether the results would be any clearer/more understandable than ASM.

I'm with ACL on the need to do a trace. Didn't someone say they were willing to JTAG their TP2 and trace the runs? That might be helpful. What we need is a friend on the inside in HTC's dev group. :)

See:
http://www.mpsinc.com/assembly.html
For pricing info:
http://www.mpsinc.com/translation.html

Disclaimer: I do not work for this company, nor do i have any dealings with this company. They just came up first on a google search for ASM -> C cross compilers.