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Re: Just had my vogue stolen, but it was a ESN copy from my 6700

oh i know, im not trying to disobey him. Im not giving out info im just wondering. But im pretty sure through this site and another is where i got all the info to copy my esn



sorry the link i just posted was an article on cloning but it also had info on how to so heres the part o the article i was interested in:

CLONING CELLULAR TELEPHONES IN GENERAL There has been much written about the legality of cloning one cellular phone to another. There is also much confusion as to whether or not a person who "clones" a phone is actually breaking the law. And just what is cloning? Cloning is the act of making one cellular phone "act the same" as another. This is accomplished by copying the identity and phone number of one phone and inserting it into another. The phones do NOT have to be the same model or even the same brand. The second phone is now for all purposes the same as the first. It will ring if one when the original phones rings. It will cause any charges incurred, to be billed on the original phone's monthly billing statement. Herein lies the problem. By stealing somebody else's mobile number (MIN) and Electronic Serial Number (ESN), a person can "clone" a cellular phone and then make calls which are charged unlawfully to another. This is clearly illegal. Its called fraud. What however, if the person who owns the original phone also owns and uses the clone? Then there is NO theft of service; no crime. No fraud. The second phone becomes an 'extension' so to speak. Why would anybody want an extension? Look in you own home for the answer. Cellular phone users generally use the cellphone to expand their communications capabilities. When in a car, a more powerful, permanently installed unit can be used. When departing the car and say, going up an elevator to work, a smaller, less powerful pocket model can be used. Putting both on the same number makes sense. Who wants to have several numbers? How many phones can you talk on at the same time?

Why then all the concern about people using a cloned phone? First, the media has lumped "cloned phones" into the "it's illegal category", without knowing "that of which they speak". All cloned cellphones are NOT used illegally. But, hey, you knew that. The real situation is that the phones are typically given away for free to entice buyers. No money to be made here. Money is made by selling you service for the phones. Want a second phone. Get a second service and pay twice. Ever see anybody use two phones at once? No. How about a person watching two TVs at the same time? Nope. This is an old argument the should have been settled years ago when the Bell Telephone Company was told to let customers buy their own phone and NOT have to pay for extensions. Cable TV companies tried and got away with for years charging families twice for two cable services to have two separate TVs on one cable line. One for the kids in the TV room, and one for the adults in the Living room.


The reason phone companies can get away with saying cloning is illegal, is that there exists a law which prevents tampering, for fraudulent purposes, with the ESN of a cellular phone. The law is so poorly written the in its first incarnation, legitimate technicians were "guilty of a crime" just for servicing the things. But no technician has ever been arrested for service work, even though the law say they are "committing a crime". Click here.
The law has since been updated. Interesting enough, some cellular companies are now starting (11-4-199 to offer cloning as part of their service package(s).


Check with your local cellular providers to see if they offer these services in your area. If they say no, ask them if they know who will.
It all boils down to this, "Who has their hands" in your wallet or pocket book. You, or the phone company. You make the decision.

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