it is coming out in mid october around 15 this is the internal memo date i saw until as of right now and thats when verizon has said to launched with something else in it dont know what it is im still investigating about this misterious thing
as soon as i find something you guys would know that first hand ;p
and one other thing if you have noticed on the handset that it doesnt have that same duarabilty and the buttons are jsut too cramped and kind of hard to use them they stick if you press them softly.........