[TurboFool]

Well, I did just go ahead and switch to my first-ever DCD build, but loaded it up with as many nueTools as would function in it. I really miss nueWiFiSwitch, though, as having that built into the official kitchen was fantastic. Only reason I switched was becausemy cooked 20270's available RAM just wasn't cutting it, and there seemed to be a memory leak that I couldn't plug for anything, so I thought I'd see if DCD was any better. Although it's only my first day with it, so far DCD's 3.2.5 is pretty strong.

As for this overall argument, here's my sentiment: It seems reasonable to me that the PPCKitchen builds in any of no2chem's improvements that genuinely improves the ROM without in any way taking away from what was already there. If it's a change that takes up mere kilobytes, expands upon the initial functionality, and doesn't in any way make the phone worse from the OEM version, I see no logical reason not to build it in. The rest shouldn't, and isn't, built in. I think the absolute most extreme function that was made standard was nueWiFiSwitch, and since by default it's set to mimic the functionality of a unit without that installed, it does no harm. If you really believe the standard apps work perfectly and don't need improvement you're both not very observant, and contradicting your reason for being here. WM needs plenty of help or we wouldn't need custom ROMs.

As for everything else, I can't say I'm not a little disappointed at the lack of recent progress over here, but it's mostly understandable. Not a lot has changed to drive the kitchen to update. This 20270 debate seems silly as the point gguru's trying to make is that without being able to compare 100% identical ROMs with the two versions, it's all circumstantial. DCD's 20273 ROM running faster than other 20270s isn't necessarily due to 20273, but may be due to other changes he's made. That, or it could be your perception of it. I'm running it now, and I'd say it seems to run pretty comparably to the 20270 build I was just running, but possibly minus the memory leak (not enough time with it to confirm).

I'm also disappointed by no2chem's lack of new stable builds in a while and lack of kitchen support. But even that was always a mixed bag. I found cooking a ROM based off of one of his basekits was never quite as clean or strong as running one of his own premade ROMs from the same build, so the fact that he wasn't releasing new basekits wasn't a huge disappointment to me. His latest inactivity seems clearly due to his efforts to reshuffle his organization methods, and I can appreciate that. It's a lot easier to work if you've got a better framework to work in. For me, although no2chem was my introduction to new builds and beta OSes and optimized performance, etc., his strength quickly became his tools. They're invaluable to me, and I can't imagine my phone without most of them. If he were to change his focus entirely to only the tools and making them more compatible with the kitchen and other ROMs and forget about making his own ROMs, I'd be completely comfortable with that.

Now for the complaints about the PPCKitchen in comparison to other options. Today I built my first ROM with DCD's kitchen, the same one that has been so heavily praised in here for being so much easier to use and more friendly than the official PPCKitchen. All I can say is what are you people smoking? I used what was essentially this same kitchen (without the CLI script that helps make it easier) back near the beginning of the Titan before the official Titan one hit and eventually had to give up on it. Unfriendly, unintuitive, and makes resolving conflicts a *****. The only thing it has over the other one is it's ever so slightly easier to figure out the source of a conflict, but only because I've learned enough from the PPCKitchen one. Otherwise pretty much every function of the official kitchen (and especially its conflict-resolution abilities) is superior and easier to use. I credit my experience with it for being the only reason I could get through the DCD kitchen unscathed. I'm extremely grateful for that kitchen, and really wish it was compatible with DCD's work, since I'm liking the ROM I eventually ended up with after quite a bit of trial-and-error.

I just feel like all this *****ing's silly. We do have many options available, and I'm grateful for that. But I'm not about to look that same gift horse in the mouth and complain that it's not giving me enough, or in some cases giving me too much. If I knew as much as they did maybe I'd be able to test 20273 at a higher level and find out that they're full of crap about it not being a big improvement, but until then I've got to take their words for it. They've gotten me this far.