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Old 04-04-2008, 02:02 PM
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Re: Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19209 (Build 19209.1.0.2) aka 5060

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Originally Posted by colonel View Post
Um, that is a perfectly legitimate answer. There is no max. Well, the max is the size of the rom partition. So, if you have a 160MB+ .nbh, you may have issues.

Again with the attacks? Why do you have to make this so difficult?
So then the answer is 160MB. Thank you, that really wasn't so hard, was it?

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Originally Posted by mbartels View Post
For a guy who seems completely opposed to everything the "rom team" does, you sure lurk around the kitchen threads a lot.

For the record I agree with you and hate having to log in because my the kitchen won't function with my work proxy server. I think you have valid points - your posts just come off as you looking for a fight.
For the record, I'm here because I love the Mogul, it's the best mobile computer I've ever had. Contrary to popular belief, I like the kitchen project. I have some issues with it, but I have some issues with Word 2007, too, and I love that program. No software is perfect. I'm not at all opposed to what the ROM team produces.

What I am opposed to is the ROM team's holier-than-thou, superior, arrogant attitude.

Let me explain where I'm coming from. I've spent 18 years in IT, doing just about every job in the field. I've been a developer. I've also been tech support, and prefer that to development. I like to help people. And looking at this from a support perspective, members of the ROM team seem actively hostile to users who don't meet their geek cred standards. They are programmers making a program for programmers, not for regular people, and they come across as thinking they're too good to explain how the kitchen works, why certain features are not negotiable or really anything at all about the project.

Basically, the ROM team acts like the "Soup Nazi" on Seinfeld. Take what they give you the way they give it to you, ask no questions, just bow and grovel at their feet and be grateful you get anything at all. Sorry, but that's a horrible attitude for a developer to have, even one making freeware. I understand the donations they freely accept (thus making this a commercial product, with reasonable expectations of professional support) probably only cover hosting costs and maybe a beer once in a while. But I think we'd all be better off if they dropped the attitude and treated everyone with dignity and respect. Saying "if you don't like the login requirement, feel free to leave it blank" knowing full well that means that the kitchen won't work at all, is arrogant and petty. This "leave it us, you couldn't possibly know what you're doing" attitude goes from annoying to comical when they "officially" release the 5060 kitchen with typos and bugs after browbeating everyone for a week who dared to use the "unsupported" basekit.

I appreciate the kitchen. I use it. I hope it will support the US version of the Touch Dual soon after that device is released. But the kitchen team are not gods, and I will not treat them as such. They're developers, regular people. They're no better than the rest of us, and it ticks me off to see them treat people so badly and expect unquestioning devotion in return.
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