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Originally Posted by gTen
Wait.so your saying all those people complaining to HTC on their facebook page were just waisting their time?
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Of course not. But that facebook protest was not based on any previously released devices. it was based on an apparent policy change that would affect future devices. And HTC proved they obviously DO care and DO listn to the requestes of the community.
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Originally Posted by gTen
um..yes..that what an SDK does >.>
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Resorting to snarky one liners? Well here's some news for you, NO, that is NOT "what an SDK does." I have multiple SDK's right now, none of them let me hack up Sense, make apps that have a Sense like interface, and provide me with Sense source code.
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Originally Posted by gTen
like?
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Feel free to read it. It doesn't make any sense for me to copy and paste a web page that I just posted a link to.
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Originally Posted by gTen
umm..THEY ALL DO THAT...
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Oh really? Then show me where Sansung's CEO said they will NOT be locking bootloaders then. You just love to make crap up. I'll keep calling you on it, and I'm sure you'll keep changing the subject. If they ALL do that, then you should have no problem showing me where they ALL said they won't be locking bootloaders, and then they ALL made websites for the community to hack their stuff up.
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Originally Posted by gTen
hmm..Ive looked around the internet and I cant find anywhere where it says HTC will host cooked roms..can you link me to the source?
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HTCdev - About Us
"HTCdev is designed to give you the inspiration to explore the possibilities within the HTC platform, the support you need to develop your ideas, the platform you need to promote your applications and the forum to connect with other developers and with HTC."
It's pretty clear what they are doing if you read through the HTCdev site.
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Originally Posted by gTen
as for APIs, SDKs and source code everyone has that..and on that note HTC has had a bad history of complying with the GPL and rarely releases source code on time even though they are obligated to! The other manufacturers actually release source code on time (not all manufacturers but most do)
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Everyopne also puts screens on their phones. So effing what? What does that have to do with anything? No other manufacturer has came out and flat out said they will NOT be locking bootloaders, and then created a website specifically for the community similar to this website or xda.
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Originally Posted by gTen
You are misunderstanding exactly whats going on...HTC is not doing this to harm the community..they are doing this for their own financial reasons..I'm not blaming them..but it isnt exactly a good thing either..its a good thing short term but bad thing long term..simply because it makes code that is HTC only..aka lets say your on Sprint and you need a keyboard phone..and Sprint does not release an HTC keyboard phone for 2 years..you have 2 choices..dont upgrade or choose a different manufacturer..and when you swap..guess what..all those HTC only enchantments become useless...This is why things like Cyogenmod exists..to provide the same experience accross devices.
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So wait... Are you implying that even though HTC said they will NOT be locking bootloaders, people won't be able to run AOSP ROMs? LOL, man, you just keep on going. HTC's CEO flat out says, in public and in writing, that they will NOT be locking bootladers. HTC then creates a website designed for the modding community, and promises to assist and provide tools. And you somehow turn that into HTC forcing everyone to use proprietary software. lol, seriously man, to say you have a bizarre take on it would be an understatement.
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Originally Posted by gTen
IF HTC did what was bet, it would partner with the other manufacturers to make a universal SDK that works on all UIs..but they wont do that..and neither will the others..simply because they want to lock people into their environment..and thats a correct financial decision for the company..its not exactly the best decision for us as a community who wants things to work on ALL devices...all the other manufacturers are guilty of this either..and I dont blame them..but understand its not exactly a good thing in the long run..
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Wait, so you thinnk HTC should partner with other manufacturers and make an SDK that works on all devices? Correct me if I am wrong, but such an SDK already exists, called the Android SDK. And by guaranteeing that their bootloaders would be unlocked, HTC guaranteed that the Android SDk will be fully supported by HTC phones. So you need to slow down with your HTC hate and take a look at the other manufacturers that haven't yet made that same guarantee.
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FYI...I've been using HTC devices since the HTC Apache...and now I use an HTC and a Samsung device..(I dual wield phones)..I dont "hate" any manufacturer..BUT I hate when people don't even look on the other side and consistently think their manufacturer makes the best device simply because they have it/never tried the other guy. My hope is to have anyone pick any device from any manufacturer and have a community, customizations and etc and not have to worry about the brand and just pick what fits best for their needs..
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Ah yes, the obligatory "I have a gay friend" or "I have a black friend" claim. You may very well have an HTC phone. It doesn't change the fact that you are constantly bashing them with baseless and downright ridiculous claims at every chance you get. HTC is setting the standard here for the community, and you are actually trying to turn that into a bad thing. You're an HTC hater. Either that or you don't believe any of the crap you keep posting and just like to argue.
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Originally Posted by gTen
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Um, HTC had had an equivalent to those sites for YEARS. Check out:
HTC - Developer Center
That is not the same thing as:
HTCdev
And none of those links you posted are the same thing as
HTCdev either.
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Originally Posted by gTen
I think you are misreading what I wrote..
1) Samsung and XDA announced a partnership
2) Samsung by themselves went to find devs and reach out to them via pm
Samsung has been doing general meetings ALL the time..this is the actually putting effort to reach out to the community..
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1: HTC has had reps on xda for many years now. Like I said countless times, all the HTC files needed for root or hardspl always "leaked" on xda. There have been countless posts from HTC reps with valuable info over the years. People with info on future devices, people using test devices, etc. Just because there was once a post from someone who worked at Samsung doesn't mean they are ahead of HTC in that regard.
And Samsung by themselves may have went to find developers by sending a PM to a few on xda. HTC took that about 10 steps further by creating them their own website with message boards, encouraging all devs to join, and promising to assist in any way they can- currently taking suggestions on how they can make it perfect. If you think sending a couple PM's to a couple devs on one message board is better than this, there is no reason to continue this discussion. Like I said, HTC speaks to devs all the time on Facebook and twitter, and hosts meets with them all the time. So they didn't even need to do this to still be WAY ahead of your precious Samsung and their couple PM's to a couple people.
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Originally Posted by gTen
All the other manufacturers already do this and have been doing this for a long time...why do you instantly think that HTC is always best at everything? there are some things HTC is first at and brings to the table, there are things that other OEMS bring to the table..if you put your bias aside you'd realize that at the end of it all, most OEMs are around the same...
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You keep saying all other manufacturers already do it. And I keep asking for you to show me even ONE that does, and then you change the subject or post some link about something else. Show me where a manufacturer has pledged that all phones will have unlocked bootloaders, then created a website for the community and promised to assist in any way.
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Originally Posted by gTen
But let me ask you some fair questions..
have you yourself tried OpenSense SDK and/or Touchwiz SDK?
Also, have you ever owned a top end device by another manufacturer other then HTC?
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1: No, I have not tried those SDks.
2: Yes, of course I have owned top end phones that weren't HTC. But it has been a while. But I play with other phones constantly. At my job pretty much everyone has a smartphone, and we are constantly comparing them and playing with each others phones. It's a pretty safe bet that I have more hands on experience with more phones than most of the people on this site. That's the fringe benefit to working in a high tech environment with a bunch of geeks in an "open office" (cubicles with low walls) environment. Everyone has a smart phone, and very few people have the same smartphone. And everyone is concstantly trying to play with everyone else's phone to see how it compares.