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Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

They never gave me a poison. I have never owned an HTC device that wasn't able to be rooted or hard spl. But keep saying it if you want. It doesn't make it true, but it seems to make you happy so whatever.

Wait.so your saying all those people complaining to HTC on their facebook page were just waisting their time?

No, that isn't it. They are allowing Sense to be modded, and apps to be written that have a Sense like interface, using code provided by HTC.

um..yes..that what an SDK does >.>

The page says a lot more than that.

like?

Plenty of basis. I guess there is no basis if you just make up your own version of the facts, sure. But here in the real world, HTC has pledged to leave all the bootloaders unlocked, provide a website for the modding community, and even assist the modding community by providing code, APIs, and SDKs.

umm..THEY ALL DO THAT...

No, I am not going to say the iphone appeals to me. And if you really believe that what HTC is doing is harmful to the dev community, you're just crazy. There is no other way to describe it. HTC officially commits to unlocked bootloaders, agrees to not just allow Sense to be hacked up, but actually assist with it, provide a place to host cooked ROM's, API's, SDK's, source code, etc, and you actually think that is harmful to the modding community?

hmm..Ive looked around the internet and I cant find anywhere where it says HTC will host cooked roms..can you link me to the source?

as for APIs, SDKs and source code everyone has that..and on that note HTC has had a bad history of complying with the GPL and rarely releases source code on time even though they are obligated to! The other manufacturers actually release source code on time (not all manufacturers but most do)

Crazy is the only way to describe that. Well, I guess if you are just an HTC hater (which lets face it, you are) then it might be harmful to YOUR modding community because a lot of them will probably be flocking to HTC phones.

You are misunderstanding exactly whats going on...HTC is not doing this to harm the community..they are doing this for their own financial reasons..I'm not blaming them..but it isnt exactly a good thing either..its a good thing short term but bad thing long term..simply because it makes code that is HTC only..aka lets say your on Sprint and you need a keyboard phone..and Sprint does not release an HTC keyboard phone for 2 years..you have 2 choices..dont upgrade or choose a different manufacturer..and when you swap..guess what..all those HTC only enchantments become useless...This is why things like Cyogenmod exists..to provide the same experience accross devices.

IF HTC did what was bet, it would partner with the other manufacturers to make a universal SDK that works on all UIs..but they wont do that..and neither will the others..simply because they want to lock people into their environment..and thats a correct financial decision for the company..its not exactly the best decision for us as a community who wants things to work on ALL devices...all the other manufacturers are guilty of this either..and I dont blame them..but understand its not exactly a good thing in the long run..

FYI...I've been using HTC devices since the HTC Apache...and now I use an HTC and a Samsung device..(I dual wield phones)..I dont "hate" any manufacturer..BUT I hate when people don't even look on the other side and consistently think their manufacturer makes the best device simply because they have it/never tried the other guy. My hope is to have anyone pick any device from any manufacturer and have a community, customizations and etc and not have to worry about the brand and just pick what fits best for their needs..

You are absolutely NOT putting for the same information as me. You said HTC was merely catching up at best, to what everyone else did several years ago. I then linked to the HTCdev website and asked for the Samsung equivalent. Of course, it doesn't exist.

um..ok..

Samsung Developers
http://opensource.samsung.com/
developer.lgmobile.com

I can go on...

Are you serious? LOL! HTC has been doing that for YEARS. They hold meets all the time. The last one was in Montreal on June 1st. Before that, Toronto on May 30th. Before that, Vancouver on May 24th. There have been at least 10 such meets in the last 12 months, all put on, set up, hosted, etc, by HTC.
https://www.facebook.com/HTC?sk=pe

I think you are misreading what I wrote..

1) Samsung and XDA announced a partnership

2) Samsung by themselves went to find devs and reach out to them via pm

Samsung has been doing general meetings ALL the time..this is the actually putting effort to reach out to the community..

This isn't some "top secret" thing sent via PM on xda. This is public, HTC encouraging everyone to come, and talk to them in person. And if you look at their facebook and twitter pages, they respond to pretty much every tweet or message. Heck, their CEO personally responded via facebook and twitter to the locked bootloader drama. Not only that, but he also responded to everyone that emailed him about it. Not only that, but they just created a freaking website for the community which will be very similar to this PPC Geeks site (but only for HTC phones) and will be paid for by HTC, with HTC employees putting out all sorts of info in an official manner. There is no other OEM even close to this at the moment. HTC continues to set the standard.

All the other manufacturers already do this and have been doing this for a long time...why do you instantly think that HTC is always best at everything? there are some things HTC is first at and brings to the table, there are things that other OEMS bring to the table..if you put your bias aside you'd realize that at the end of it all, most OEMs are around the same...

But let me ask you some fair questions..

have you yourself tried OpenSense SDK and/or Touchwiz SDK?

Also, have you ever owned a top end device by another manufacturer other then HTC?