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Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

To my knowledge, nobody has found a crack for the efuse.

its a matter of time till someone finds one..wait till oen shows up in a major device..then we will see..

The G2 was rooted before it was even released. It was the same temporary root the Evo used, and basically every other HTC phone. It may very well have been a month before anyone made a custom ROM for it (I know Cyanogen was released a month later, don't know if anyone else made a ROM before that or not) but the device was rooted before it was even released, as pretty much all HTC phones are. Temp root that automatically starts and reroots as part of the boot process, or perma root that stays rooted, who cares. The bottom line is you have root access to your device either way and can run any of the root apps from the market.

I dont think the G2 was able to reroot itself on boot..

So what? What does it matter if HTC puts a locked bootloader if they release the key before the device is even released? You seem stuck on that for some reason but it's a non issue to me. And no matter how many times you say it, it will remain a non issue. Until HTC releases a device without a way to unlock the bootloader, then it's a non issue.

Because they change bootloaders in the middle and cause everyone to brick? I mean why do it in the first place? and locked bootloader and signed is a different thing..I am talking about signed here..

Yes, it was still froyo but it had the new HTC sense. I didn't realize you were turning it into a competition about which device had Gingerbread first. I was simply talking about leaked software to the community. if you want to talk about OS version updates, then lets compare when my Evo got froyo to when your Epic got it.

I was not..you played the time card first so I reiterated..its obviosu galaxy s would get ginger first and evo would get froyo first..due to who made which Nexus device.

I know you don't want to go there though. We can also talk about GPS issues with the galaxy S and how long it took to get that resolved.

Every phone has its issues..Galaxy S still has issues and Evo still has issues..its nothing new...

Now if we go back to my original point, that HTC is good to the hacking community, then the fact that there was an Evo ROM running the latest version of Sense back in February is pretty dang impressive.

umm...why? didnt they port a Desire Z rom with it?

And if we're only talking about Gingerbread, I see a CM7 download for the Evo dated 2-16-11. When was the first Epic Gingerbread ROM? Cyanogen doesn't even support the Galaxy S.

Again as I said it boils down to the community..right now we are up to Alpha 4 so until it reaches stable it wont be official..but the community is growing at a rapid rate. Either way this isnt about any device in specific..we are talking about manufacturers are we not?

It's nothing like being locked up in jail. Being locked up in jail would be more like waiting for Samsung to issue the Epic Froyo update, or fix that broken GPS. HTC releasing the signed image to get around it before the device even being released is fine with me.

I find it alarming in itself that if for whatever reason a leak is not released would spell trouble..the reliance on HTC releasing it is pretty big that if 1 day they chose not to release it youd be screwed...

I agree. But then why did you bring it up? Do you think there won't be a lot of interest in the new Evo or something? I mean, you were the one saying we should be concerned that the new Evo won't be rooted, even though just about every HTC device gets rooted before it's even released.

I am saying there is a possibility for it to take longer to root...

Uh, no. It started shipping that date (preorders). Nobody had one yet.

People were able to get their hands on it earlier then that..aka 16th and either way, last I checked 17th comes before 18th...you said it was rooted before it came out...which was not the case...

HTC's security is not increased, lol. If you do the research, you will find that the G2 was rooted before it was even released, using the same method that worked on almost every other HTC phone. It's a total non issue.

as stated before..they had to manually redo the root if they reset their phones...

Care to make a wager on it? I bet you the Evo 3D is rooted within a week of launch (likely before it even launches, but I'll say with a week after launch to be safe). Care to bet on it?

I will say again, this all started when someone else said they weren't going to preorder the Evo 3D out of concern that it wouldn't be rooted, I said it was a non issue, and you said it was something we should be concerned about. So that guy IS betting that it won't be rooted. He will likely miss out on the original shipment (remember how long the Evo stayed sold out). That is his wager. I'm just trying to help the guy out by letting him know the real deal- it is pretty much guaranteed to be rooted within a week after release, and probably before it is even released. And from the sounds of it, you actually agree that it is likely to be rooted by then, but continue to argue because you don't like HTC for some reason.

Oh I am not disagreeing with you there is a risk of it being sold out, but thats not what was mentioned before..that risk exists and one I actually forgotten about..either way I was referring to rooting only...

Since the debate dragged on I'd like to reiterate what exactly I am disagreeing with and what I am agreeing with.

I agree that:
-It will be rooted eventually

-Delaying purchase may cause availability issues

I disagree that:
-HTC is in fact getting harder by the device...this has been a growing trend for already over 5 years..Apache was completely open, Mogul had to be hardSPL, Touch pro and touch pro2 were worse and it kept getting harder and harder..at what point it will go over the edge is unknown to me, it may be on Evo 3d it may be the device 5 years later..or maybe theyll change their mind and take a step back..but the evidence is there in trend.

-I disagree with your statement that HTC is the most developer friendly..it has nothing to do with hating or liking HTC...The other manufacturers offer the same amount of support as HTC does and some even better support then HTC does..your bases for HTC being the most developer friendly is based on them releasing software which 90% of the other manufacturers already do and more...If anything I would like if people view the playing field more fairly towards all manufacturers..I am not asking you to think HTC is the worst or the best but look at the current reality of things. For one, there is no way I would call any manufacturer developer friendly if they dont follow the GPL...