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Originally Posted by tokuzumi
#1 Just because two phones are for sale at the same time, doesn't mean they are competiting against each other.
#2 If a keyboard is all a phone needs to sell a phone, tell that to apple. (I am not an apple leg-humper, but your logic doesn't hold up in that regard)
#3 Which was my point exactly from the beginning
#4 if the keyboard was marketed so heavily, why does the robot use the onscreen keyboard?
#5 My point was the marketing campaign for the Eris was smaller, thus smaller sales.
#6 if you think android 1.5 on the Eris and 2.0 (now 2.1) on the droid are the same, you are sorely mistaken. Google Nav (with voice commands), Buzz only work on 2.X devices. Apps like Urban Spoon only work on 2.X devices. Even the app my company released only works on 1.6+ devices. Eris/Hero would be SOL on that one. 1.5 is being tossed to the way-side on app development. Multiple Gmail account support on 2.X....it goes on and on.
#7 Wasn't motorola in trouble in the phone market before the Droid's release? Motorola needed a home-run with this phone, and they swung for the fences. HTC makes about every device on cell phone shelves. The Eris is just a re-baged Hero, which sold extremely well in Europe. HTC didn't need to sell many to be profitable. Plus, HTC's game plan seems to be release something, and the next day, show spoilers to the next generation handset.
#8 In the future, Android will become a "touch-less" OS. 2.1 has text-to-speech everything, and it will only get better, and more intuitive. You will tell your phone what to do, which you have mentioned is not convenient for you, and that's fine. There will always be a phone with a keyboard. But voice commands will become a great convenience for the masses, who would see a benefit from having an interactive device.
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#1: Uh, yes it does. If two phones- especially smartphones that run the same OS and have similar specs, are for sale at the same time, from the same carrier, and made by different manufacturers, then they absolutely ARE competing against each other. The average person is not going to buy both of them. You think HTC and/or Motorola is only making phones just so they can say they did? Heck no, they are trying to sell them. This might be the biggest fundemantal flaw in your argument. The Droid and Droid Eris absolutely ARE competing against each other for sales, and I don't see how anyone can even deny that.
#2: A keyboard is not ALL a phone needs to have sales- please show me where I ever implied that. However, I did say that a lot of people want a keyboard. And you can bet of there was an iPhone that had a keyboard, and it sold a lot more than the regular iPhone- even though it cost a lot more, then yes, I would absolutely say the keyboard was probably the biggest factor. You seem to be missing the fact that the Droid and Droid Eris are pretty similar phones- same OS, same apps, similar specs, and even similar names. If people paid extra for the one with a keyboard- and the fact that it has a keyboard was heavily marketed, then yes, I think having a keyboard was absolutely one of the reasons why it sold a lot more.
#3: What was your point from the beginning? That Verizon liked the Droid better and that's why they marketed it more? You're not making sense here. Verizon specifically mentions the keyboard in several Droid commercials, so clearly that is one of the reasons they liked it better.
#4: The robot uses the on screen keyboard and the real keyboard. They are showing the device does both. You act like they only use the on screen keyboard or something. Here is one example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc57FHMAuus
I see the robot typing on a keyboard in that commercial, and several others, all the time.
#5: And why was the marketing campaig smaller? If marketing is ALL there is to sales, then why was the marketing campaign smaller? You think HTC just decided to not sell as many devices? More like Verizon chose which one they thought would sell the best, and then they marketed it as their flagship device. So why did Verizon like the Droid better? Here is the first Droid commercial to hit the market, notice the very first line in the commercial is dissing the iPhone for not having a keyboard, and praising that the Droid does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnaAQwGcBks
#6: The Eris was released in the 4th quarter of 2009. At the time of its release, they announced that there would be an OS upgrade in Q1 2010. So the fact that the Droid had a newer OS wasn't even a consideration for most people.
#7: I know it is common around here to say the Eris is just a "re-badged hero" or whatever, and it is true for the most part. But it is a different device with slightly different specs. See here:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomp...=2080&id2=1966
Also, I don't think Motorola was in as much trouble as you say. Maybe in the smartphone arena, but their dumbphones were selling like crazy before the Droid. The RAZR is like the standard for all dumbphones. It doesn't matter though, because if what you say is true, and Motorola really was swinging for the fences, then the fact that they put a keyboard on their device and actually hit the home run with it should make HTC take notice.
#8: Voice commands are great when you are doing something like driving. But it is not at all practical for use in a business environment. Can you imagine a classroom or an an office meeting where everyone is multitasking on their phone and it only works with voice commands? LOL, Android will never only be a touchless OS. It may very well have an option to use voice commands that a lot of people like in certain instances, but it will always have an option to use it quietly as well.