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Old 12-30-2007, 06:34 AM
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Since you did not take the time to edit your original post, instead you chose to copy it directly over, it seems only appropriate to clarify your quote of my other post from another thread so that it is not misconstrued.

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Originally Posted by Intermountain Trust View Post
i see you are giving battery advice, I have not had time to respond to your lack of research until now.
Thanks Intermountain Trust, not sure why you believe i have a lack of information or research, but lets shed some light here on your info.

BTW - very good info, thank you for contributing.

Current battery technology has only so many "Cycles" of charge. As i posted which you misunderstood, not "Cycles" as per a memory effect, which is what your evidence is referring to, but each time you charge i am using the term cycle. I can understand why you read the posted info and took with it a different meaning

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There is no memory and no scheduled cycling is required to prolong the battery’s life
For example:

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The internal resistance of the Li-ion batteries cannot be improved with cycling.
these are both clearly a statement in regards to "Memory Effect". "Cycling" as i put it is something completely different and has zero to do with charging capacity. Instead we are talking about overall charging lifespan here.

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Repeated insertion into the charger or cradle does not affect the battery by inducing overcharge
Li-Ions cannot be overcharged due to the protection internally as stated. However repeated insertion into a charger will decline the overall lifespan of the battery due again to its finite amount of charges it will take. These are 2 totally different statements in regards to "Cycling".

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does not require periodic full discharge
True to keep its overall output. As i have stated in referance to a "Memory Effect". Again this in no way referances the overall amount of times the battery can be charged.

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The Li-ion is most economical for those who use a mobile phone daily. Up to 1000 charge/discharge cycles can be expected if used within the expected service life of about two to three years
Thank you, this summerizes my point exactly as for charging "Cycles". As you can clearly see here the author states the exact point we are discussing.

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I've seen a lot of people get hung up on the 1000 in "Up to 1000 charge/discharge cycles can be expected if used within the expected service life of about two to three years". Please bear in mind that "1000" is not a hard and fast number - it's an approximation of expected drain/charge patterns in an "average" environment. Your mileage will vary.
Excellent point. Real world conditions can be very different from lab situations (statement of 1000 is based in lab conditions).

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Originally Posted by Intermountain Trust View Post
So far, little is known about the life expectancy of the Li-ion polymer. Because of the similarities with the Li-ion, the long-term performance of both systems is expected to be similar.
Li-ion and Li-ion Polymer can be really different in their behaviour even though they are both in the Li-ion family.

Again, great info. Thank you for helping me explain and validate my statement about "Charging cycles".
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