Hey OMJ i've been running 28005 for about 10 day's now and aside from having a freeze up a couple of times opening email when I had over 20 emails in the box, and the removing the lower set of program shortcuts it has run flawless... so much that I have not been able to bring myself to try any of the newer 28xxx roms. I use this phone primarily for business and aside from the groups contact thing I mentioned in an earlier post I'm very satisfied. I am looking forward to panoramic backgrounds and slide to shut down. I guess i did notice if i used Ramcleaner on auto it would glitch a little. so keep up the great work. and THANX