Yea Utica isn't the greatest place. Some of the surrounding area's are nicer, New Hartford, Whitesboro for instance. I live North of Utica near the entrance of the adirondack park.

And you are right, the best part of living here is I can go to the brewery every weekend for tours and tasting. They dont skip, you get two tickets for 16oz glasses of beer!!!!! $5.00 for the tour and the two tickets equals out to $2.50 for a saranac draft at the brewery. You can't get that from a bar for a bottle!

John, thanks for explaining how that works for me. I do appreciate it.