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That is still what I meant.

Obviously you have OEM files, then you have Windows Mobile.

Good points though. :mrgreen:

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Alright cool. Here we go.

You want some no2chem apps that aren't necessary to make the phone better? nueUSB, nueLED, nueBattery, etc. Anything that has been implemented into the ROM to replace original Windows components is unecessary and does not NEED to be there. They're just prettier apps, designed to give a LITTLE more control over something that works fine on its own. We don't need someone telling us that their application is for our benefit when that same program is used in dozens of other roms on other devices and they function fine. Besides it's really just a way to get his name out there. Oh, and for the record, if you actually go to re-read some of the threads, you'll notice yourself and colonel giving the finger to users who wondered why they couldn't remove some of no2chem's apps. You buried it in the SYS folders. Not everyone knows how to remove that stuff, and NOT everyone wants it. So I am right there.

I'm not saying no2chem can't do what he wants with his time. I said that you shouldn't expect an update from one of his "nueROMs" for a while because he's more focused on his "applications". That is evidenced by his "preview" builds and lack of any real release or update to a ROM base that other users can implement in their own kicthens, or even to PPCKitchen.

Duh, I'm well aware of that. I'm talking about THIS phone and the updates for it. I'm not concerned for the other phones. I'm talking about the time span between updates for the TITAN. There have been significant time increases between releases since the original kitchen was released.

Crossed into insanity, eh? You "Kitchen Gods" are so self-righteous it's upsetting. Yes I'm using SOME apps from PPCGeeks_OEM.rar. But guess what? All of the apps I'm using from that RAR are actually taken from an old version that was released around the same time the first apache roms were. And most of them I have updated with downloads I found myself and turned them into OEMs. So your argument there is moot.

I'm not talking about 16 kitchens, I'm talking about the TITAN kitchen. I was also referring to no2chem in this as well. Where were all of these other kitchens when the roms for this phone were being updated and released? Seems like there were plenty of updates here when there were still other phones abound. Also, I don't need DCD to write software for me to make my phone more usable. That's such a stupid argument considering what I've already stated. Everything that comes stock on Windows Mobile works just FINE. We're also not talking about unlockers, chat rooms, etc. You know what my point was.

Considering that I've flashed pratically every rom released and tested with the EXACT same setup of applications and pagepool, I HAVE in fact noticed a difference between all of them. I'm sorry if you think you're so high up that my matter of actually USING the phone doesn't count as testing, sorry, that's my benchmark and that's how I value a rom release.

And last but not least, if that list isn't for people who have donated time and/or money, then you need to change the title of the ticker to something more like "Thank you to all who have used our ROMs" or "Thank you to all who have given us feedback". If it says "Thank you to all who have DONATED..." It really kinda means one thing. Unless of course someone donated their house, car, child or fettucine.

Stop coming in here everytime there's a comment against your work like a whining school girl, getting butt-hurt. You'd do better in prison with a giant named Tiny.

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Sensitive computer thugs yall all need hugs. Ha ha.

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hey electronicrice-

if you cant stop whining about other peoples work, why dont you just shut up and either 1) leave or 2) make some of your own work? it seems like you know what is best for the titan so why not use all your high intellect and provide it to the community instead of complaining about other peoples' work?

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besides, this thread is about new wm releases not old ones.

anyone hear anything about alltel coming out with a new rom?

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Hi,

No I'm not going to shut up because 1) this is a public forum and I'll voice my opinion if I feel like it and 2) my original post was MY opinion regarding there being new WM releases any time soon. And if I'm going to be attacked regarding that position, then I will defend myself. So unless you have something intelligent to bring forth, go back to kindergarten.

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I kind of thought gguru's responce was a bit dicey myself. I have used both developer's work and at this point my phone has DCD's latest itineration on it. I have tried to utilize the latest kitchen but I am having major problems cooking a rom that will run on my XV6800 without bugs - I would sure like to try it and make it work.

I thought that was what this forum is all about - spirited discussion relating to topics...

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It's supposed to be..

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How about you guys just relax .... or close this thread ..... which ever comes first

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Sorry, but that's just your opinion.

I find all of these apps to be useful and they are for a reason - to offer what WM simply doesn't (natively). Even though I'm using DCD's 3.2.5 at the moment I still have nueLED as I prefer not to have a signal light flashing...

I'm sorry, but your qualitative 'benchmark' has no value whatsoever.

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nueLED is standalone. Do you even know what the difference is between the nue version and the original? In most cases the nue version IS the original, just slightly altered. That's why we do a direct replacement. Stuff like nueLED where he actually wrote significant code are standalone, user selectable packages.

Is that why we don't mention that they're in there? Good logic.

If you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd realize its like a child saying why can't I have a green pencil when you gave them a yellow pencil. If you have some specific need for the yellow pencil, go get it. The green pencil is superior for the majority of people[/quote]

You missed the point. His apps are part of what makes his roms good. Working on the apps is integral to the features of his roms. I couldn't tell you about why he does or doesn't make basekit releases at any given time, but I can tell you making a release is a chore - it's not like "oh, I'll just zip up this directory."

Your statement was that DCD is the only one doing anything, and he's just a one man show. I merely pointed out that you have a micro view. Plenty is happening, just not where you are looking.

No, the argument was that lot's of things get updated beyond just the base OS.

Several new devices have been added to the supported list since introduction of the titan kitchen. Those devices didn't have kitchens before, now they do. Just because the phone existed, doesn't mean it had a kitchen.

Yes, your point was DCD does more than anyone else. It was ignorant. The fact is you DO need other people to write software for your phone, and what comes stock doesn't "work just fine" or you wouldn't be here.

Again, your testing sucks. No one said that DCD doesn't do this that or the other better than anyone else. What was said is that 20270 is not significantly different than 20273. Unless you made a stock 20273 kitchen, I don't know how you'd compare it to 20270.

Hmmm.... maybe some did? No one said what was donated, and no one is going to. You assume it is cash, and I'm telling you you are wrong. The title is accurate, your interpretation is flawed.

You really are ignorant. You didn't even comment on my work except indirectly in one senetence. Between the two of us, one of us knows more about what work has been done, is being done, and will be done - which was the subject of this thread.

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Unfortunately you've missed the point. Though they may be useful for some, other do not want to have them forcibly installed. If I didn't know how to remove those apps, then I would have to live with them being installed even if I don't want them. That's contradicts the idea of a kitchen.

And though my "benchmark" may not not have any value to YOU, it certainly does to me and I, along with others I know, notice the difference. Question for you, why are you using DCD's 3.2.5 and not PPCKitchen?

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Listen, the point I was trying to get across is that 1) there haven't been updates for a while from here and 2) not everything thinks the way you do, or wants what you want. You have a lot of technical prowess, but you don't know what all users NEED/WANT on their phones.

I'm done with the argument. We're both stubborn, we both have different views. I'm not admitting defeat and I'm sure you aren't either. It's going to be left at that.

G'day.

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I will second that I have been running DCD's 3.2.5 build for about as long and very stable but DCD does a great job of releasing very stable ROM's I highly recomend them

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i feel left out cause im not getting quoted. haha everyone need to calm down and relax!!!
~chevy

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What problems are you having? Post them in the 20270 thread.

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Good for you then - I find them useful and I do feel that development towards them is worthwhile. You don't - who cares, looks like you're happy with DCD's ROM anyway? (heck, I'm using it too) Also, no2chem DOES have quite a few useful features - for example, when sliding out the keyboard the device switches to using the NullKB SIP - that's perfect and saves annoyance when using certain applications.

When it comes to computing, you can't just say you 'notice' a difference, you have to have real figures/benchmarks to stand behind that. If you don't, then there's simply no argument. I personally haven't seen any difference whatsoever. But, I don't even think that's a valid argument - actual benchmarks would need to be done to prove this, AND it should be done on multiple devices, etc.

I'm using DCD simply because that's what I feel like using at the moment, I was using no2chem's pre8 for a while and it's quite a nice piece of work, just not what I need at the moment (I'm also waiting for him to sort out some of the bugs, which are to be expected considering all of the features he is adding). no2chem's ROMs tend to have quite a few bells and whistles and I personally like that quite a bit. DCD on the other hand seems to be focusing on making cleaner ROMs - I feel these are just two different approaches and fill a different niche. There's no point in arguing about this at all.

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8/12/08 was the last update.

Absolutely correct. Fortunately, I don't try to do that. Generally, PPCkitchen tries to put out a kitchen that closely resembles an unaltered WM build. No2Chem and DCD have different goals. We all integrate enhancements we think are either essential, ridiculous to not include, or simply a trivial enhancement to a required element. In the case of the No2Chem things you like to gripe about, it is not practical to make the items user selectable. If it were, they'd be OEMs (like the bulk of his apps).

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Well, I did just go ahead and switch to my first-ever DCD build, but loaded it up with as many nueTools as would function in it. I really miss nueWiFiSwitch, though, as having that built into the official kitchen was fantastic. Only reason I switched was becausemy cooked 20270's available RAM just wasn't cutting it, and there seemed to be a memory leak that I couldn't plug for anything, so I thought I'd see if DCD was any better. Although it's only my first day with it, so far DCD's 3.2.5 is pretty strong.

As for this overall argument, here's my sentiment: It seems reasonable to me that the PPCKitchen builds in any of no2chem's improvements that genuinely improves the ROM without in any way taking away from what was already there. If it's a change that takes up mere kilobytes, expands upon the initial functionality, and doesn't in any way make the phone worse from the OEM version, I see no logical reason not to build it in. The rest shouldn't, and isn't, built in. I think the absolute most extreme function that was made standard was nueWiFiSwitch, and since by default it's set to mimic the functionality of a unit without that installed, it does no harm. If you really believe the standard apps work perfectly and don't need improvement you're both not very observant, and contradicting your reason for being here. WM needs plenty of help or we wouldn't need custom ROMs.

As for everything else, I can't say I'm not a little disappointed at the lack of recent progress over here, but it's mostly understandable. Not a lot has changed to drive the kitchen to update. This 20270 debate seems silly as the point gguru's trying to make is that without being able to compare 100% identical ROMs with the two versions, it's all circumstantial. DCD's 20273 ROM running faster than other 20270s isn't necessarily due to 20273, but may be due to other changes he's made. That, or it could be your perception of it. I'm running it now, and I'd say it seems to run pretty comparably to the 20270 build I was just running, but possibly minus the memory leak (not enough time with it to confirm).

I'm also disappointed by no2chem's lack of new stable builds in a while and lack of kitchen support. But even that was always a mixed bag. I found cooking a ROM based off of one of his basekits was never quite as clean or strong as running one of his own premade ROMs from the same build, so the fact that he wasn't releasing new basekits wasn't a huge disappointment to me. His latest inactivity seems clearly due to his efforts to reshuffle his organization methods, and I can appreciate that. It's a lot easier to work if you've got a better framework to work in. For me, although no2chem was my introduction to new builds and beta OSes and optimized performance, etc., his strength quickly became his tools. They're invaluable to me, and I can't imagine my phone without most of them. If he were to change his focus entirely to only the tools and making them more compatible with the kitchen and other ROMs and forget about making his own ROMs, I'd be completely comfortable with that.

Now for the complaints about the PPCKitchen in comparison to other options. Today I built my first ROM with DCD's kitchen, the same one that has been so heavily praised in here for being so much easier to use and more friendly than the official PPCKitchen. All I can say is what are you people smoking? I used what was essentially this same kitchen (without the CLI script that helps make it easier) back near the beginning of the Titan before the official Titan one hit and eventually had to give up on it. Unfriendly, unintuitive, and makes resolving conflicts a *****. The only thing it has over the other one is it's ever so slightly easier to figure out the source of a conflict, but only because I've learned enough from the PPCKitchen one. Otherwise pretty much every function of the official kitchen (and especially its conflict-resolution abilities) is superior and easier to use. I credit my experience with it for being the only reason I could get through the DCD kitchen unscathed. I'm extremely grateful for that kitchen, and really wish it was compatible with DCD's work, since I'm liking the ROM I eventually ended up with after quite a bit of trial-and-error.

I just feel like all this *****ing's silly. We do have many options available, and I'm grateful for that. But I'm not about to look that same gift horse in the mouth and complain that it's not giving me enough, or in some cases giving me too much. If I knew as much as they did maybe I'd be able to test 20273 at a higher level and find out that they're full of crap about it not being a big improvement, but until then I've got to take their words for it. They've gotten me this far.

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No one said your evaluation of DCDs rom isn't of value, what was said is your evaluation of DCD 20273 vs ppckitchen 20270 is not sufficient to determine whether "20273 is noticeably better than 20270". There are other differences than just the build version and those differences invalidate the conclusion you drew.

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Nicely said.

If there's something that Bepe's v2 buildos is more clear or easier on...let me know. As far as I'm aware, PPCKitchen's buildos is a superset.

I really fail to understand why people think DCD's kitchen isn't compatible.

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Really the primary thing I'm looking for to improve the build process is something that clearly says to me: THIS is the OEM that killed your build. Currently we just get the error about the default.hv and user.hv and have to look through that screen and figure out which was the last RGU it processed, then dig through all the OEM folders to find which one contains that RGU (or maybe there's an easier method I don't know about?). The only thing that seemed a little easier was in DCD's kitchen it showed me at the bottom of the screen what the last item processed was when it failed. But it failed many, many more times because every duplicated file killed the process. Honestly, though, come to think of it, when it came to a registry error I did have to track down the log file and do the same kind of searching, so perhaps it's no better on that aspect. Still, that's something that needs improvement. It's the ONLY thing that makes the PPCKitchen at all difficult for me.

And I was given the impression by others that DCD's kitchen's not compatible. What would I need to do to drop it into the PPCkitchen and make it work? I would have been much happier today if I had known that. Much easier.

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I skimmed most of this thread and was going to post exactly that but gguru beat me to it.

I never ran 20270, but really 20273 is hardly any different than 19965. The changes leading up to my 3.2.5 were mostly in OEM. I usually wait for a new CE OS to make a new release and that has probably lead to some confusion for users of my stuff, as to what difference CE OS really makes.

only the proxy thing, whats up with that? :) it may not be an issue for me anymore anyways.

agreed. other people have packaged it for ppckitchen before and it worked fine. it is still on my list of things to do but i was waiting for that proxy update.

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That would be great. I'm running 3.2.5 right now, which is the first time I've run any of yours, and so far it's quite good. I'd love to more easily combine it with the nueTools and get the best of both worlds. I just wish there was an easy way to get nueWiFiSwitch to work with it.

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yeah im stayin out of this
~chevy

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Not sure I understand what you're saying, but .hv errors are detected and shown the same way between the two buildoses. The sorry error messaging is really a function of the sorry tool MS provides to build the hive. Errors that occur during the build should be more explicit than the equivalent in Bepe's buildos. If there are error msgs that don't provide everything you need to know, let me know what they are and what you need additionally.

What have you tried? There are a couple ways to do it...best is to make a selections.txt for it, then you should be able to apply it to each new kitchen he puts out without much effort.

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Have a build for you to try...sent you an IM awhile ago, but I think it got lost on the way :)

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To be perfectly honest, I haven't tried anything with DCD in combination with the PPCKitchen. I took others' word for it that it didn't work. How do I make a selections.txt file that independent of the kitchen I'm choosing? Normally the selections files I make get tied directly to whatever kitchen I chose.

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I second that one...

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This was such a live thread, and now nothing?

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It is good that there is nothing now. A lot of the points that were made were pointless and ridiculous. It would be great if this thread would just fade off in the distance. It have done nothing for the good of the community here.

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+1 on this.......my position is if you do not like what this community provides then do not use it](*,)......I believe that this is the best kitchen out and I appreciate all of the hard work the PPCGeeks guys put into it and I will continue to support it.....the rambling needs to stop....everybody has a choice in life....it is very simple in my opinion......:scratch:


Off topic.....GA....I am returning to work Tuesday so I will probably fade a little myself....lol

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Dear Whiney b1tch,

You have some serious entitlement issues. Those of us who work on building kitchens for free for the public, owe you nothing.

It blows my mind that someone can complain that they're not getting something free done quickly enough for them.

If you think you can find them faster, convert them to work on our devices, iron out the bugs, resolve compatibility issues and build a stable kitchen base faster, by all means, build your own kitchen and release it. Until then, stfu and quit criticizing others.

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Just so everybody knows. There hasn't been any newer releases of WM6.1 other than 20273. We already have 20270 in updater now. There's no real reason to release 20273 yet because there is no noticeable difference between 20273 and 20270. There is a 20275 floating around, but its really 20273 thats been hexed to be 20275.

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That's freakin awesome dude.

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That wraps it up in a nutshell!!!!!:headbang:

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theres also a 20276 and 20296.

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Well, we just flashed 20296 XIP, and it shows up as 19208 in About. So I think it's def safe to say it's fake.

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im pretty sure its from a legitimate sony xperia x1 ROM.
the version number shown in about comes from the .dsm file in MSXIPKernel. did you port files too or only modules? (i have not tried 20296 myself so maybe im wrong about its validity)

theres also supposedly some 205XX builds that are all timebombed, and 207XX AKU 1.4. i havent seen either of those.

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I've done my fair share of XIPs for Two Axims, Apache, Titan, Vogue, Treo700wx, Diamond, Raphael. & Kaiser. So yes, I ported both files and modules. I did however yesterday get a more "stockish" supposedly 20296 XIP. So I'll try again today with that one.