Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w soon!
 

The news is here.

Hate to be the bearer of such bad news, but I noticed nobody is talking about it here and I wanted to make sure everyone knew.

Without a doubt, this proves that Sprint is not happy with the 800w. While they usually continue to sell older models of Palm devices for much longer, they are pulling the 800w after 6 months. (Perhaps they'll sell the 800w till their current supply runs out or perhaps they'll pull it the very moment they release the Treo Pro. Either way, they're done with the 800w. They won't continue to order more of it from Palm for resale. Meaning the ONLY carrier of the 800w is backing away from it.) With other brands, such as HTC's they're still selling the Mogul although the Touch Pro is a newer model that they also sell. They didn't "replace" the Mogul with the Touch Pro and have continued selling both. Never has a Palm device been "replaced" by Sprint so quickly. Perhaps this is the fastest smart phone "replacement" ever?

The 800w obviously is not a hot seller, many complaints about defects and fails to offer the advertised autonomous/stand alone GPS. It only does aGPS and the GPS radio won't start without a compatible CDMA signal.

This move by Sprint means, 3rd party accessory makers won't be thinking much about the 800w, because it only ran with one carrier for a VERY short period of time and that carrier is dumping it. We 800w owners won't hold any advantages that come with owning a device that is still actually being heavily marketed by a major carrier. In fact, Sprint never really marketed the 800w heavily. They didn't even include it in their Christmas promotion that was sent out about a month ago. It shows Sprint never really was pleased with the 800w.

We're basically stuck with a device that does not have many owners and will never have many owners, it's like the Pontiac Fiero of smart phones. Nobody is going to offer it much in the way of support and new add ons. I even suspect IF Palm makes a ROM update for it, that it might be slim compared to what would come in a ROM update for a device with more owners and making Palm more money. Nobody is really going to cater to a device that is less used and only ran with a carrier for 6 months. If the 800w had a short life with a carrier, but had an unlocked version it would still get more sales and more attention, but the Treo 800w will have 6 months with 1 carrier and be let go. I mean of course our devices will still work on Sprint's network, but Sprint's not going to keep selling it and it will be like an old has been.

Knowing the Treo Pro was coming to Sprint didn't bother me at all, but knowing Sprint will stop selling the 800w is a totally different story. With all that has gone on with the 800w, I can't say I'd get the 800w if I could do it all over again.

:violent2: :angry7:

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

After reading your comment I get the feeling I should dump this phone in a landfill.

But, comparing the 800w to the pro, there isn't much difference and the 800w is a bit faster!

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Have you compared the Treo 800w to a Treo Pro that had ClearType turned off? Treo Pro owners are finding that with ClearType off which is on by default in the Treo Pro, they get good performance. ClearType is off by default on most WM devices including the 800w. Seems to make a greater impact on Treo Pro performance though.

Also, the Sprint Treo Pro will have some differences, so it's hard to say how it will perform before it's released.

More idle speculation with no evidence
 

Lots of speculation in your post with little evidence i.e. "The 800w obviously is not a hot seller" or "Without a doubt, this proves that Sprint is not happy with the 800w"

You don't have any numbers to back any of this up nor have you spoken with anyone at Sprint to validate their thought on the issue. This is just projection of your own feelings onto your theory.

Have you thought that perhaps Sprint/Palm were planning on doing the Treo Pro all along, but couldn't get it out till January 2009? So instead Sprint used the 800w as a stop-gap to have a Wifi/GPS/WM6.1 Treo in their lineup?

I mean, if we're just engaging in meaningless conjecture and making up reasons, why not that one?

And you are not "stuck" with the device. You can sell it or use it.

Of course this is false (and you know it) as Sprint's lineup sheets clearly state that the HTC Raphael is replacing the Mogul (likewise with Touch/Diamond).

And in fact Sprint has pulled the Touch and Mogul completely from their lineup.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

I must say I do agree with "Malatesta", why take the 800w off the line up just because they are brining the Treo Pro on?

I have only seen photo's of the Treo Pro and it's too much like the Centro; keyboard is the same, which is too small and not practicle for typing. My own opinion would be; they keep both. The 800w for the buisness user like me and the Treo Pro for typical user. The only reason I stay with Sprint is because they had the 700wx and now the 800w. I have been a very happy owner of three Palm Treo (650, 700wx and 800w). They have all been work horse phones for me, I use them instead of carrying a laptop.

However, "Darnell" if you have inside information or credentials that back up your therory like "You work for Sprint or Palm" please let us know. I am not brand loyal and if Sprint is dropping the 800w, I will most likley be moving on to another device and carrier. I do not like anything else Palm has out right now. Also, the 800w is needing a ROM update badly, so I am hoping they will be keeping it on their line up.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

There's no insider information here.

Only lots of wild theories that generally have little backing, and a few people who are willing to spend hours a day spreading them to the various forums/blogs.


One must admire their dedication, if not the methods they go about it, or the content of the messages.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

It's always interesting when personal attacks fly. But I'll remain on topic.

What I've noted is a view that is the norm outside of communities such as this.

AT&T, Sprint Show Palm Treo Pro Some Love

I see no reason to deny the obvious, but perhaps today's announcement from PALM will tell more.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

This is not much different than when Sprint released the Palm Centro. The Treo 755P had not been out that long, and the Centro was basically the same thing with a lower price point. Both devices are still for sale.

I don't make this stuff up folks.
 

It is the widely held view of those outside of places partial to the 800w. Which makes theirs the more objective viewpoint.


Sprint Treo Pro Nearly Confirmed
(emphasis added)
Palm Treo Pro Coming to Sprint in Late January
(emphasis added)

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Posting information from a blog site, which itself cites no sources i.e. lacks things such as "In a conversation with Sprint..." or "In a phone call placed to Palm, they said...", the story is 100% speculation and inference taken from who knows where.

That's not a real news story in that sense, just rumor and guessing on their part. (We do that to at WMExperts, but usually are not so strong in our assertions or use a question mark to imply a possibility, without committing ourselves. Standard journalistic practice.) Simply posting opinions that re-enforce your own is not evidence.

So I repeat the request:

• Do you have any real numbers?
• Have you had a conversation with Sprint or Palm public relations?
• Do you have an article or even a Palm investor Q&A where either company on record validate what you say?

If no, than your musings are just that: musings, not fact.

http://www.xrtheme.com/content/emoticons/arrows/04.gif The situation is thus: you cannot logically infer that because Sprint is releasing a new Treo that the old one did not do well.

All that you can infer is that Sprint feels the new Treo will sell better than the old one and will be good for business. That tells you nothing of how the old Treo did though: could have been bad, could have been good.

This could even be a financial decision: Treo Pros, which are designed by Palm but manufactured by HTC, are most likely cheaper than Inventec who makes the 800w. Reducing production costs allows them a lower price point ($549 vs $599 retail) to be more competitive in the marketplace. Perfectly logical and possible. Heck, we actually know that price is cheaper for the Pro.

There are literally dozens of these stories. All sound good, but without evidence they are conjecture.

Companies releasing new versions of products does not imply that the old product was faulty, bad or did not sell well.

So either provide real evidence, not tech blogs with no sources, or admit that this is just one of dozens of possible explanations, but this one has no more evidence for or against.

On a personal note: I do find it hilarious that you felt so compelled by your sudden dislike of your 800w that you had to saunter away from TreoCentral to here to continue your Palm rants. :disgust:

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

BTW, PalmInfoCenter's and Brighthand's writers are both negative on Palm and the former especially so on every WM Palm device. That doesn't make them "more objective" because you agree with them.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Of the sources I've cited, please tell me what they said negative about the Treo Pro in the articles cited?

Seems while they don't praise the 800w, they certainly are not trashing the Treo Pro, Palm or Sprint. Rather they're seeing it as a good move and not speaking against Palm for the Treo Pro deal one bit.

Looks like fair and honest reporting to me.

(I have no personal notes to add, because I'm not here to go personal on anyone. Just share some thoughts about these devices and related companies.)

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

I do regret posting that above since it is steering this discussion away from facts (specifically, lack thereof) to personal motivation.

So once again:

I repeat the request (x2):

• Do you have any real numbers?
• Have you had a conversation with Sprint or Palm public relations?
• Do you have an article or even a Palm investor Q&A where either company on record validate what you say?
• Any articles that provide the above?

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Well this confirms it for me...

Palm Has $506.2 Million Loss on Falling Sales, Taxes
I did catch what sounded like a questioner was trying to get specific details during the conference call, that is still in process, but the question was avoided. They said they didn't want to get into specific device details.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Palm has been having problems for a while now. They have taken way to long to overhaul their OS, which has been virtually the same for a very long time. I hope they haven't waited too long. I used to be a big supporter of theirs.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Of course it does!

You started with your conclusion and are now googling and researching as much information to put forth as evidence to try and back it up. Any hint at bad news you can find on Palm, any rumor no matter how tenuous you are throwing up to support your position. How many hours of reading and searching did you do today after your conclusion?

Instead of working the other way around like in science.

Palm has lots of problems:

• Centro is now old/declining in sales
• Treo 800w on one carrier
• Treo Pro on one carrier/None in U.S.
• No high end Garnet devices

They are completely non-competitive in the smartphone market. Their last hope is "Nova" (not a Treo Pro).

But going back to that investor quote, doesn't that say as much about the Treo Pro, Centro and other Palm smartphones as it does the 800w? Why single out the 800w?

Because you have to support your already determined conclusion!

You are not being open minded about this at all. You already "know" your answer and are now trying to prove it.

This is what it is: a company releasing a new version of a device. We are not privy to the reasons why (costs, popularity, production, competition, just because they can), so lets stop guessing.

Why are you so bent on trying to prove this? To what gain? No one is saying your "theory" is not plausible, it's just not any more or less plausible than the ones I or others have put forth. It's okay to say "we don't know" sometimes.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Im a lil confused? besided the bad battey life whats the problem with the 800w vs the treo pro I thought besides the look anf the headphone jack they were preety simular except for the bands?
I went from a 700wx to a 800w and besides the battery life & the headphone jack I have no complants

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

At this point we don't even know the official specs, so it's really hard to judge. It could be a direct GSM port or they could have changed things.

But assuming it's a direct port, a lot of the differences are stylistic (thinner, glossy black, different keyboard, flush screen, no physical soft-keys).

Processor gets a little bump and GPS may or may not be "standalone" (non-network dependent). It also reportedly has the new Mobile Internet Explore (6). Battery should also be slightly bigger plus the 3.5mm jack.

It also may lose the Palm "optimizations" like Palm Messaging, Green Key Phone history/dial pad, their Today screen contact search, etc.

Other than that they share: WM6.1, Wifi, GPS, 320x320, BT2.0, 2MP camera.

IMO, it's more of a hardware refresh than a whole new device and won't be as rewarding as going from a 700wx to 800w (since we got so many new features). Unless you have lots of problems/complaints with the 800w (some do) then it'll be real hard to justify an upgrade.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

I agree with Malatesta.
I was actually happy with my 700wx but i wanted the nav,sprint tv & radio wich unfornatly I relize that I cant get the radio but atleast I have the TV.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

You guys can debate what strategies Sprint and Palm are taking, but one thing is certain: while I love 'em, both of these companies need to keep vigilant and could easily go out of business or get gobbled up by some bigger company. Therefore, whatever strategies they try could be unforeseen. The 800w getting pulled early could easily be part of the strategy. On the other hand, who the efff still buys Moguls? Sprint has needed to focus on fresher phones for a long time. If it weren't for my SERO plan, I might leave Sprint too.


Both Sprint and Palm have done tons wrong IMO. :disgust:

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Sprint being purchased by a "bigger company" would be a very bad thing. What other "bigger company" would want a CDMA carrier but Verizon :evil: ?
I'd have no choice but to go with a GSM carrier and buy new devices the moment a Sprint/Verizon merger was finalized. No way I'd be a Verizon (device lock down) customer.

For a larger GSM carrier to buy Sprint would probably be a real pain, given the fundamental network differences. So I doubt any GSM carrier would want to, but I guess anything could happen.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

well i had the 800w and i have to say that i really really really loved the phone for the first few months.
i started to notice all of the times i had to take the battery out to reset it.
i though innitally it was because of some of the apps i had installed. i did a hard reboot and cleared the whole thing. seemed to be quite happy for awhile and then a few weeks went buy and it started to lag again.
another deal breaker for me was the fact that i wanted to use it at the gym and i hated those damn usb headphones. i didnt want to alter anything i just wanted plug and play.
i had to finally buy the extended battery and doo from seidio so i could get through the day without having to charge the damn thing. i worked outdoors so i couldnt have it in my work truck charging all the time.

i broke down and got a BB curve and the battery life is awesome!!! and the haedphone jack is nice. i have never had to reboot the thing and the screen is much brighter and better looking IMO.

after all of the treo's i have had. 700wx, 755p, centro, and the 800w i dont know why i have never gone to try a BB but i can say i am addicted to the BB interface and that damn tracball.
i thought i would have been lost without the touchscreen but with the tracball it dosent affect me one bit.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Eve6er69, some of your issues with the 800w are like my own, especially having issues and trying various things because you think it resolved things and then the same problems are there again despite all the effort.

I've still got the 800w for now, but I can't say I'm pleased with Palm's handling of many of the issues brought to their attention regarding the device. They've done much better by the Treo Pro regarding issues.

I've got a BB Curve too, that I also use. Can't say I use the 800w for the straight up business critical stuff. As much as I really DON'T like BBs, when it comes to business critical things you need something that does not require soft resets often. (Can't say I remember the last time I reset the BB.) The 800w for me is for lesser important business and personal use. Palm's left me disappointed, can't say I'll be buying any more Palm devices.

And I always assumed that Palm would make a 3.5mm wired adapter for the 800w, but they never did.

Anyway, glad you're happy.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

yes i had high hopes for palm because of the speedy updates like usb update and bluetooth voice dialing.

i later lost all hope in palm. yes the 800w is more of a fun phone (if you have a charger near) lol but i recently changed positions at work from being a tech to being a cooridnator so reliability is key for me now.

if i ever get out of this job or downgrade my plan i will probably go back to one of my palms. i still have my 800w and my 755p. but i honestly dont think i can go back due to the speedy app switching and internet on the curve.

i have excelent vision and i was having a hard time seeing the gps screen as well. well the bottom stats that is.
with the curve they seem to have realized that they have a small screen so the blow everything up so it is easier to see.
the only thing i miss is the threaded messaging and pic mail.
but i didnt use them enough for that to be a deal breaker.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

A report has been made, that a leaked Sprint document shows Sprint will EOL the 800w in April. The Treo Pro being its replacement that will be released on 2/15.

The 755p will be EOLed by Sprint in late May and replaced by the Pre to release on 3/15.

Flavors of the Palm Centro will start going EOL in June and through July.

The Moto QC9 will EOL in mid June.

The HTC Touch Diamond will EOL in July. (This one is interesting, since Verizon might carry the Touch Diamond soon. With Sprint having no Touch Diamond replacement listed, it would leave Verizon as the only CDMA spot with the Touch Diamond. But I guess Sprint feels it would have run its course with them by July.)

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Beat ya to it, but not by much ;-)

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=56262

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Yes you did beat me to it :D .

There are SO MANY FORUMS here, it's very hard to keep up :) .

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

If you walk into any BB store, you can see a display model of the Sprint Pro.

When I press on the key it feel like pressing on a soft gel. They keyboard is a little better than the Centro but not the 800w!

The other thing is fingeprint everywhere.

At least you know if your 800w died, you will get a Pro! So that is nice! Your 800w will die soon. I am on my third 800w in 6 months.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Sorry Chong, that's not the case.

Sprint will have replacement 800ws for at least 6-9 months, more likely 12 months.

Put it this way: up till about a month ago, you could still get your 700wx replaced at Sprint.

So word of caution: do not ever, for any Sprint phone, assume that since a replacement is out, they will free-upgrade you to that phone if something goes wrong. They are not that stupid! As everyone would claim a broken phone when a new one came out and Sprint would lose even more $$$

ps I'm still on my 1st 800w from July ;-); in fact I have never had one problem with any of my smartphones

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Mal makes a very good point! Don't do stupid things and expect an upgrade.

And I'm still on my first 700wx from 2006 (I'll upgrade someday!).

late,
Coz

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Great info. The 800w might be the shortest lived smartphone ever sold by Sprint. Under 10 months from release to EOL!

Re: We Shall See
 

I just bought an 800w and I can't wait to get it. I was tired of waiting for the Treo Pro and besides, I like the keyboard on the 800w much better than the Centro type (even if slightly bigger).

I'm hoping my experience with the 800w matches that of Malatesta's. If not, I'll sell it and try out the Treo Pro. I don't know about the 800w and it's EOL (we shall see), but I just hope the 650,700,755 & 800 form factor doesn't die altogether. IMHO, their form factor is superior [editorial complete].:thumbleft:

Vonage

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

They do still have plenty of stock on the 800w both at Sprint and Asurion. I just spoke with a Sprint rep and like Malatesta said, they should have enough replacements for over a year, even with them offering the 800w for HTC Phones that are backordered.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Palm's Centro (2nd edition w/128mb) will only be 8 and 9 months old when EOL.

The much more hyped HTC Diamond is getting its walking papers after 10 months, which is more significant seeing as it was the most talked about phone in 2008. But of course you already knew that which is why you went with the arbitrary and obvious "under 10 months" as if that was more significant than 10 months exactly. Gee, how transparent.

This is called a "trend" in the real world--devices are being replaced faster and faster. You might be smarter to stand back and look at the bigger picture instead of focusing on a single device.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

I can't say I see the life and EOL of the 800w as fully comparable with the Diamond, which may start selling with Verizon soon and also sells as a GSM unlocked device. And the Centro 128 was an upgrade to an already successful run of a device already available. Palm list the Centro as a device selling with many carriers and GSM unlocked, they don't break the 128 out as a separate device listing in the same way that the 800w is treated as a totally separate device with a single carrier. On Palm's site the Centro is listed as having many carriers, while the 800w has just one.

For good or bad and for whatever reasons, the 800w has had only a single carrier for just a 9 month run.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

When HTC's new lineup for 2009 is released the Diamond will fade like the original Touch.

It is simply being replaced/upgraded. No mystery there. The only reason Sprint is EOLing it is because they have a newer device to take its place and other carriers will follow suit, in fact you'll see it on GSM first before Sprint. HTC has something like 25 devices coming out which are updated versions of their current lineup--every ~9 months, you'll see HTC (and Asus, Samsung, Moto, etc.) do a refresh as new tech comes out.

Verizon, if true, is just throwing a bone to HTC. They already have the much better Samsung Omnia as their "WM6.1 Black Slab" device which they obviously chose over the Diamond (the Verizon Diamond was suppose to come a few months ago from their leaked linup).

I'm not sure what "only one carrier" has to do with Sprint EOLing a device, I see no connection. Treo 800w, one carrier, 9 months = EOL; Dimaond, tons of carriers, 10 months = EOL. How are you connecting the two? Why not mention it comes in Blue and therefore Blue devices are "not fully comparable with the Diamond".

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

Personally, the Treo Pro is a better device to have anyway. It being an HTC device means that we are likely to see a Windows Mobile 6.5 update for it (whether officially or unofficially released). Also the headphone jack is something that I really want on my Treo 800w but it lacks. The keyboard may be a pain on the Pro but you get used to it. Also, I prefer the flush screen and bigger battery.

Re: Treo 800w to be REPLACED by Treo Pro. As in Sprint will stop selling the 800w so
 

I think better is pretty subjective, especially comparing these two devices. And I wouldn't bet on a 6.5 update for it just because its an HTC device just yet. This device doesn't seem to be real popular over at XDA.