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nemoid 10-06-2009 12:43 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1217429)
I actually have to agree with nemoid on this one. WinMo is definitely falling by the wayside. And if you notice, many of the developers that come out with new applications now come out with winmo apps far behind Android or Iphone... IF they even develop it at all. Dont get me wrong, I still like winmo mainly for its flexibility, ,but with the way android is gaining steam I look for it to be the major player in the handset market within the next couple of years.
great point. Take a look at the "This iPhone App = This WM App" thread. Everybody says "omg WM has all the apps the iPhone has you just gotta look for it, yeah they might not be pretty but they're out there!" but whenever an app is requested, nobody can seem to find the WM app we are looking for.

some of the apps in the marketplace are like $20... they're nuts if they think people are gonna pay that much.

jbearamus 10-06-2009 12:48 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemoid (Post 1217439)
jbearamus, do those manufacturers produce as many WM phones as HTC? I'm not sure, it'd be interesting to see the numbers. I understand that WM is pretty dominate in Asia.
Oh well no one comes close to producing what HTC does although it looks like LG wants to give them a run for their money. But your original comment was lack of manufacturers using it not how wide their support is. I know for LG and Samsung their big focus is still on average consumer handsets not smartphones (although that'll change with the way the market is shifting and it'll be interesting to see what they take up as their primary platform) while HTC on their other hand has flat out said their target customer is high end users that intend to spend a lot of money on devices (probably also why their retail prices are significantly higher) so they focus on the smartphone platforms

now as for asia, that market has been years ahead of the us market in terms of demand for functions and for the longest time WinMo reigned supreme as the smartphone platform of choice so it seems like WinMo won its popularity not because of what it is but because of a vacuum of choices for so many years, and of course once something is entrenched in the market its hard to make it leave, but again, it'll be interesting to see what happens as development for Android gears up and becomes mainstream

nemoid 10-06-2009 12:59 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Right but my comment meant that HTC is the dominate manufacturer of WM phones. They have a whole lineup of WM phones that are very well known.

However the others, do not. You think WM devices, you think HTC, not samsung or LG. I'm sure they could step their game up, but at this point it's HTC all around.

jmorton10 10-06-2009 12:59 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uscjunkie (Post 1217276)
You must not have tried the Energy Roms then....they are as close to perfection as you will find.
as long as you don't mind atrocious battery life.

When I was running my 4 TP's Energy was not one of my first choices (not even close really)

~John

jmorton10 10-06-2009 01:05 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by p-slim (Post 1217292)
i have a touch and i only use it for the music player because its vastly superior, .
I have a 16 gig 2nd gen ipod touch.

I also use it for music & I also use it to browse the internet tethered to my TP2 with WMWIFIrouter.

~John

animez 10-06-2009 01:06 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 1217479)
as long as you don't mind atrocious battery life.

When I was running my 4 TP's Energy was not one of my first choices (not even close really)

~John
Agreed. NRG's roms are very pretty but the battery life on the TP1 was horrible with that rom.

p-slim 10-06-2009 01:08 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 1217479)
as long as you don't mind atrocious battery life.

When I was running my 4 TP's Energy was not one of my first choices (not even close really)

~John
You don't creat your own roms? I think the only way anybody will be happy is if they create it themselves. Other then that there is always something wrong with everything.

jbearamus 10-06-2009 01:49 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
and i'll definitely have to side with brownhornet on the apps issue.
seems like development for WinMo, Blackberry, and Symbian (the Old Guard of Smartphones if you will) has just about stopped with OSX Mobile, WebOS, and Android are hitting their stride and its really starting to hurt particularly WinMo

mikenerd 10-06-2009 02:19 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
will there be a way to get TF3D 2.5 w/out upgrading to 6.5?

jbearamus 10-06-2009 02:23 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemoid (Post 1217477)
Right but my comment meant that HTC is the dominate manufacturer of WM phones. They have a whole lineup of WM phones that are very well known.

However the others, do not. You think WM devices, you think HTC, not samsung or LG. I'm sure they could step their game up, but at this point it's HTC all around.
very true i guess i just took it too literally and wanted to point out theres other manufacturers. but like i said youre points are still valid

nemoid 10-06-2009 02:27 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
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Conclusion:

Windows Mobile 6.5 is a spit and polish job on 6.1 – nothing more, nothing less. It’s a means of holding people over until Windows Mobile 7 – at least, we hope that’s all it is. Every single change in Windows Mobile 6.5 feels like it was made by a team of homebrewers or modders, rather than a huge corporation with truckloads of money to blow on one of their flagship products. Absolutely NONE of it seems like it was made with the rest of the OS in mind; one screen will be finger friendly, the next will require a stylus, and then back. One will be packed from edge to edge with gorgeous gradients, and the next will fall back on WinMo 6.1’s terribly archaic visuals.

If your manufacturer offers an upgrade path from 6.1 to 6.5, take it. The changes, while somewhat trivial and not executed nearly as gracefully as they should have been, do improve the experience.

If you did not like Windows Mobile 6.1 (or if you’ve never used it), we honestly would not recommend purchasing a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone.

What we liked:

* The new lock screen, with its context sensitive locks, is great – probably our favorite across all of the smartphone platforms, actually.
* Windows Mobile Marketplace, while by no means snazzy, gets the job done and ought to fill with apps fairly quickly

What we didn’t:

* Internet Explorer is still absolutely terrible
* The design flow of the entire operating system has felt antiquated for a very, very long time now; at this point, it’s just absurd.
* We hate the keyboard. I would walk to someones houses and talk to them before I attempted to send them a text message on this
* The rest of the operating system
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/...t-still-sucks/

Cicatrize 10-06-2009 02:40 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
I liked WM6.5 until the TP2 came out and showed me that 6.1 can be just as nice as 6.5 but with more stability.

SolApathy 10-06-2009 02:50 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
The 6.5 out of the box experience will of course be disappointing. However leave it to all the ROM cooks out there to make it the most enjoyable Winmo experience you have ever had. Add to that all the folks that will create customization software & tweaks & you will have a finished product with all the options you could ever want...(aside from full 3D support )

I still love my Ipod for carousing the internet over my TP, but I'll deal with it. It's a small price to pay for such a powerful productivity oriented device. The Winmo development community is huge & I look forward to all the customizations I am going to be making!

ruskiyab 10-06-2009 03:27 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
All the people that are saying you don't like 6.5, the only thing that REALLY changed that you can see is the start menu. And yes, you can customize it and move icons around and create folders for programs.

besides that, 6.5 has better memory management, and MUCH better scrolling capabilities

solarflarex 10-06-2009 03:31 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
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Originally Posted by MadlyAlive (Post 1217264)
I know I may get flamed, but this is my own opinion...

I HATE 6.5!

Every time I've tried a ROM with 6.5 it always disappoints me. It's like going from XP to Vista.


Vista is far superior to XP in every way. Since SP1 I have had ZERO compatibility issues with old software. The interface looks nicer even though i still use windowblinds which has more options/looks better in vista. There are way more functional shortcuts. Search boxes in explorer to find files fast from the directory you are in.

It basically fixes itself when there are problems. Its way more secure xp is like a screendoor for vulnerability and not really updated anymore... DX10 is the way to go for gaming... the list goes on and on...

Whoever thinks vista sucks really is just holding on to old ways of doing things just like some old family feud. Keep the grudge going!

dicast 10-06-2009 03:43 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
Witout HTC touch flow, winmo is done. that's my two cents

oldpueblo 10-06-2009 03:46 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
People are focusing too much on what they see and not enough on what's under the hood. Much like the Vista hating and people saying "Windows 7 is so much more awesome!" Guess what, it's like 80% vista. :P It's just more pretty and has optimizations/fixes/etc. Much like previous WinMo to 6.5 without the pretty.

Pride 10-06-2009 05:12 PM
Re: Man pcworld is on this like rye on bread(the good kind) :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rstoyguy (Post 1217256)
Moved to the HTC Touch Pro 2 forum.
Sorry rstoyguy my bad X)

BigDiesel07 10-06-2009 05:12 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Threads merged!

nemoid 10-07-2009 08:10 AM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Ouch, when Motorola passes on you, things must be really bad.

Today, Motorola's Christy Wyatt said that Motorola would be waiting for a next generation version of Windows Mobile before developing a new product for the platform. Instead, the company is focusing on "two strategic platforms"—one of them confirmed to be Android.

But wow, WinMo getting turned down by Motorola is pretty much the equivalent of asking the school's most shunned female outcast to the dance, only to learn that she'd prefer to sit in misery at home rather than dance in public agony with you. [phone scoop via MobileCrunch]
http://gizmodo.com/5375635/motorola-...dows-mobile-65

jbearamus 10-07-2009 11:17 AM
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or maybe its a way to cut motorola's already declining budget, WinMo has licensing costs whereas Android is free
probably wrong just a thought

oldpueblo 10-07-2009 01:05 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
You want backwards compatibility with thousands of apps or a fancy new flashy interface that does what the old one does but breaks compatibility? You can't have both, has it ever occurred to many of you that the reason the underlying OS hasn't changed much because it gets the job done just fine AND keeps the compatibility flowing? Thats GOOD. WinMo 5 years ago was doing things an iphone STILL can't do, to compare the iphone to WinMo is a complete joke. It's like comparing a dumb good looking athlete to a computer nerd, at the end of the day the nerd is the one making money and actually accomplishing things. :P Embrace the nerdiness. Android is a different beast, but if you sat and did nothing but list all the capabilities of each phone OS, who really wins when it's all added up across the board? Would it be close? 6.5 is hardly the junk people are saying it is.

I have absolutely no issues with WinMo 6.5, it does exactly what I need it to do and more. Don't be fooled by all these naysayers with unnecessary and unrealistic expectations.

nemoid 10-07-2009 01:24 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
How are these expectations unrealistic? It's unrealistic because MS can't accomplish these things, but RIM, Google, and Apple can? Who cares if 10 year old applications are going to get broken in WM7? If WM7 is a success, there will be developers developing whatever is needed. That's a non-issue :rolleyes:

I'm not sure you even read these reviews. I'm not sure you even know what you're talking about. All these reviews are saying is that essentially all WM6.5 is, is a new home screen and a new start menu on top of WM6.1. That's it. It's not a new OS, it's not a game changer, it doesn't change anything.

What are you even talking about?

orangekid 10-07-2009 01:32 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldpueblo (Post 1220100)
It's like comparing a dumb good looking athlete to a computer nerd, at the end of the day the nerd is the one making money and actually accomplishing things.
actually a really good athlete probably makes more than most nerds punching the clock for $40k a year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nemoid (Post 1220142)
How are these expectations unrealistic? It's unrealistic because MS can't accomplish these things, but RIM, Google, and Apple can? Who cares if 10 year old applications are going to get broken in WM7? If WM7 is a success, there will be developers developing whatever is needed. That's a non-issue :rolleyes:

I'm not sure you even read these reviews. I'm not sure you even know what you're talking about. All these reviews are saying is that essentially all WM6.5 is, is a new home screen and a new start menu on top of WM6.1. That's it. It's not a new OS, it's not a game changer, it doesn't change anything.

What are you even talking about?
If ALL people are saying is that it is basically the same OS with a new UI and a few upgrades; not a gamechanger, then that's fine. Seems like there is a lot more vitriol than that though, like some illogical underlying resentment for winmo. As far as I could tell NO ONE was claiming that 6.5 WAS a gamechanger, so how many times do we need to hear that it is not. Who the hell said it was? It is what it is. A better UI with some a nice sleek look a few upgrades to hold you over till WM7 comes out on phones with Hardware that can actually support it.

This is no different than people harping on how much the Iphone sucks saying the same stuff over and over. I would rather have my diamond over a 3GS any day of the week and twice on thursday, but to harp on how much better winmo is gets redundant AND redundant.

We get it, 6.5 isn't the second coming, get over it. We don't need a 2,000 word review to tell us that and bashing the same stuff about winmo that's been said a million times over.

jbearamus 10-07-2009 01:36 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 1220158)
actually a really good athlete probably makes more than most nerds punching the clock for $40k a year.
depends on the nerd...bill gates

oldpueblo 10-07-2009 02:06 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemoid (Post 1220142)
How are these expectations unrealistic? It's unrealistic because MS can't accomplish these things, but RIM, Google, and Apple can? Who cares if 10 year old applications are going to get broken in WM7? If WM7 is a success, there will be developers developing whatever is needed. That's a non-issue :rolleyes:

I'm not sure you even read these reviews. I'm not sure you even know what you're talking about. All these reviews are saying is that essentially all WM6.5 is, is a new home screen and a new start menu on top of WM6.1. That's it. It's not a new OS, it's not a game changer, it doesn't change anything.

What are you even talking about?
Accomplish what things? Get specific. What are YOU talking about it sounds like you're exactly the person I was talking about. Where are you getting these expectations? Well said \/\/\/\/

Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 1220158)
If ALL people are saying is that it is basically the same OS with a new UI and a few upgrades; not a gamechanger, then that's fine. Seems like there is a lot more vitriol than that though, like some illogical underlying resentment for winmo. As far as I could tell NO ONE was claiming that 6.5 WAS a gamechanger, so how many times do we need to hear that it is not. Who the hell said it was? It is what it is. A better UI with some a nice sleek look a few upgrades to hold you over till WM7 comes out on phones with Hardware that can actually support it.

This is no different than people harping on how much the Iphone sucks saying the same stuff over and over. I would rather have my diamond over a 3GS any day of the week and twice on thursday, but to harp on how much better winmo is gets redundant AND redundant.

We get it, 6.5 isn't the second coming, get over it. We don't need a 2,000 word review to tell us that and bashing the same stuff about winmo that's been said a million times over.
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 1220158)
actually a really good athlete probably makes more than most nerds punching the clock for $40k a year.
You get the idea. Athletes look good and play games really well, nerds keep the world functioning. Let's not analyze my analogy further. :-P

orangekid 10-07-2009 02:06 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbearamus (Post 1220180)
depends on the nerd...bill gates
true. ironically he's the reason we're even having this discussion and that these forums even exist. +1 for The Nerd.

jbearamus 10-07-2009 04:25 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 1220256)
true. ironically he's the reason we're even having this discussion and that these forums even exist. +1 for The Nerd.
I wonder if he's ever on forums like these, just to see what people are doing. I mean its happened in the past that in the community we were doing something then all of a sudden HTC and MS were doing the same thing if not something similar

nemoid 10-07-2009 04:41 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 1220158)
If ALL people are saying is that it is basically the same OS with a new UI and a few upgrades; not a gamechanger, then that's fine. Seems like there is a lot more vitriol than that though, like some illogical underlying resentment for winmo. As far as I could tell NO ONE was claiming that 6.5 WAS a gamechanger, so how many times do we need to hear that it is not. Who the hell said it was? It is what it is. A better UI with some a nice sleek look a few upgrades to hold you over till WM7 comes out on phones with Hardware that can actually support it.

This is no different than people harping on how much the Iphone sucks saying the same stuff over and over. I would rather have my diamond over a 3GS any day of the week and twice on thursday, but to harp on how much better winmo is gets redundant AND redundant.

We get it, 6.5 isn't the second coming, get over it. We don't need a 2,000 word review to tell us that and bashing the same stuff about winmo that's been said a million times over.
Microsoft themselves said they wanted it to be a game changer. They are "responding" to Android and the iPhone with Windows Mobile 6.5. So I think when they make those claims and come out with essentially the same OS with a few pieces of eye candy here and there, there is going to be some resentment for WM. And there should be. As I said before, the operating system hasn't changed in almost TEN YEARS. They're late to the game, and they have little time left to salvage their place in the handset market. It's not a coincidence almost every review has been horrible.

nemoid 10-07-2009 04:44 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldpueblo (Post 1220252)
Accomplish what things? Get specific. What are YOU talking about it sounds like you're exactly the person I was talking about. Where are you getting these expectations? Well said \/\/\/\/
Follow the posts and maybe you can figure it out... :angry7:

orangekid 10-07-2009 04:55 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemoid (Post 1220664)
Microsoft themselves said they wanted it to be a game changer. They are "responding" to Android and the iPhone with Windows Mobile 6.5.
what has apple done to update their OS since it first came out? WOW it can play videos now! and when you slide the icons to the left, it gives you a search feature! What has android update since it came out. donut isn't exactly a gamechanger either. What can the iphone and android do that WM can't? The "old" winmo OS core is STILL better than the newest iphone OS and I would rock a diamond with a 6.5rom over a 3GS ANY day and its over a year older!

nemoid 10-07-2009 05:04 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 1220710)
what has apple done to update their OS since it first came out? WOW it can play videos now! and when you slide the icons to the left, it gives you a search feature! What has android update since it came out. donut isn't exactly a gamechanger either. What can the iphone and android do that WM can't? The "old" winmo OS core is STILL better than the newest iphone OS and I would rock a diamond with a 6.5rom over a 3GS ANY day and its over a year older!
Apple and Google wouldn't have to update their OSes from the beginning to make it more usable than WM6.5. That's the point. On the updating issue, if there is a problem or a feature that can be added, at least with those two operating systems, they can push an update (which they do, quite frequently) OTA and you're done. Can't do that with WM. You can use both of the OSes with finger-friendly ease, WITHOUT a stylus. The applications ALONE trump WM (forget the App stores).

I would LOVE to have a LEO with a slide-out keyboard, but I doubt that'll ever happen (HTC should write their own OS because they can clearly do it better than MS can). But seriously, I'm not gonna keep spending money on a phone with an operating system that doesn't automatically insert my contact's birthdays into the calendar. I mean come on.

orangekid 10-07-2009 05:11 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemoid (Post 1220725)
Apple and Google wouldn't have to update their OSes from the beginning to make it more usable than WM6.5. That's the point. On the updating issue, if there is a problem or a feature that can be added, at least with those two operating systems, they can push an update (which they do, quite frequently) OTA and you're done. Can't do that with WM. You can use both of the OSes with finger-friendly ease, WITHOUT a stylus. The applications ALONE trump WM (forget the App stores).

I would LOVE to have a LEO with a slide-out keyboard, but I doubt that'll ever happen (HTC should write their own OS because they can clearly do it better than MS can). But seriously, I'm not gonna keep spending money on a phone with an operating system that doesn't automatically insert my contact's birthdays into the calendar. I mean come on.

that's just preference. I don't see that either have any specific features that WM lacks that I would need. I never use a styles and find everything quite simple on my diamond and get around just fine, as well as apps that I want but can't get ahold of (and all of the wm ones that I want and use are free btw). I think it's just a matter of preference. It just gets annoying when a review is stated as though its a fact that 6.5 is worse or sucks. It could stand improvement like every other OS. It least it can run Flash...

nemoid 10-07-2009 05:22 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 1220738)
that's just preference. I don't see that either have any specific features that WM lacks that I would need. I never use a styles and find everything quite simple on my diamond and get around just fine, as well as apps that I want but can't get ahold of (and all of the wm ones that I want and use are free btw). I think it's just a matter of preference. It just gets annoying when a review is stated as though its a fact that 6.5 is worse or sucks. It could stand improvement like every other OS. It least it can run Flash...
I think it gets annoying because you just don't like to hear bad things about WM. It's not a coincidence that every single review about 6.5 is negative, and they all say the same exact things about it.

orangekid 10-07-2009 05:43 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemoid (Post 1220766)
I think it gets annoying because you just don't like to hear bad things about WM. It's not a coincidence that every single review about 6.5 is negative, and they all say the same exact things about it.
thats whats annoying, we all know what's wrong with 6.5, we don't need to hear a million times just like people would get tired of me posting a new thread every week about how much the iphone sucks because I can't change the battery and it can't play flash and you can't change the UI, etc... It gets old.

I don't mind hearing/knowing things that are bad with 6.5, I have no vested interest and I don't own any microsoft stock, I'm out of contract and could easily get a hero or switch to att and get $100 3G if I wanted.

6.5 is far from perfect and there are things I hate about it, but the pros outweigh the cons and for me its much better than iphone and more preferable than android at the moment.

orangekid 10-07-2009 05:45 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
I do agree that government is the problem though :mrgreen:

(I've read that sig so many damn times today)

oldpueblo 10-07-2009 05:47 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemoid (Post 1220766)
I think it gets annoying because you just don't like to hear bad things about WM. It's not a coincidence that every single review about 6.5 is negative, and they all say the same exact things about it.
Obviously they are all as irrational as you are. Guess what, I like using the stylus for some things. I have the choice. That's pretty much all you had, and it's not even a negative it's relative. The updating? Last I heard that "feature" wasn't a dealbreaker or showstopper for any phone and even then WinMo does have the option. So far I have yet to see a need for it since WE have the ability to update our own devices unlike the others. The way you talk there's a comprehensive list of all the things WinMo can't do that the others can. Where is it and how do you actually think the list of negatives isn't longer for the other operating systems? The iphone CANNOT EVEN MULTITASK and you are trying to set it above WinMo. That's just amazing.

MrObvious 10-07-2009 05:54 PM
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Everyone is grumpy that 6.5 isn't exactly a huge upgrade from 6.1. Well remember that 6.1 wasn't a great upgrade from 6.0 (adding threaded texting only). And in later builds (23017) they redid the Start Menu so you could drag stuff around, so building a ROM off of that build solves the Start Menu issues. 6.5.1 is a little better because the bottom bar but overall it's not too bad. We just need 7.

orangekid 10-07-2009 05:54 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldpueblo (Post 1220829)
The iphone CANNOT EVEN MULTITASK and you are trying to set it above WinMo. That's just amazing.
+1

I forgot about that, I just take it for granted.

excolatur 10-07-2009 09:13 PM
Re: Windows Mobile 6.5 Review...
 
microsoft doesn't care about 6.5, im sure they only see it as a stop gap for wm7.


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