Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

i tried to do the math but got lost i think lol. i figured 1.07 gbs so far this month and i'm always on the net!

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Yes, but comcast is real internet, right? Im saying its not possible to use 100GB on cellular, there isnt enough time in a month at the current speeds.

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lets assume you torrent(upload+download) and have around 200kb/sec, thats 12mb/min, thats 720mb/hour and 17.28GB/day

I used 1000 as calculation instead to 1024 just to make it easier and I based it off 200kbps for both download and upload which should be easily attainable considering

Sprint -
Average download speed, EV-DO Rev. A: 1361kbps (170 kilobytes/sec)
Average upload speed, EV-DO Rev. A: 267kbps (33 kilobytes/sec)

As you can clearly see maxing out 100gb in a month shouldn't be a problem, mostly if you are in the top of those averages.

this is also based on you not disconnecting and other circumstances and etc.

Edit: Also, this would mean in a 31 day month you would be able to do 535.68gb, don't try this at home >.>

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This was back during the school months. I just check my Sprint account and they doesn't seem to list historic data usage on their website nor on paper billing.

As for obtaining 100GB a month on Sprint isn't impossible, for my prior experience at least. I basically have two phones back then. One for temporary data usage and phone for everyday use. The data phone is on like 24/7, but I do sometime takes it off occasionally to cool it off and to fully charge the battery. Even though the phone is charging while DLing, the power coming in is much less than the power being used. I always get a 'low battery' message at the days end. For instance, if I use 110 kbps of DL constantly for 300 hours (generously quoted at 10 hours per day for 30 days), my monthly usage would be over 110GB.

Ever heard of Usenet and newsgroup? You get to max out your download bandwidth consistently when trying to download stuff, unlike torrents. The good thing about Usenet is that you don't really have to seed anything. The uploader just upload it once and it is there for good. The only drawback for usenet/newsgroup is that you got to pay a premium for its service. Check out giganews.com or newshosting.com. For instance, if I got 200GB of stuff in queue, my speed would always be constant throughout. Not to mention, if you got a bad file, quickpar repairs the file(s) instead of having to re-download the bad files.

In my case, DVD disc are the way to go. Is ~4.5 GB per DVD-r and ~8.8GB per DL disc. I haven't download BR disc, but that can easily be 15GB+ per disc (never looked much into BR). Also, I max out my house connect in a matter of day or two. I usually use 200GB of DL for newsgroup each month and the rest for are web surfing and family usage.

Here is my math for Comcast: 2,500 kBps consistently for 24 hours is 206GB. Of course, I got to watch my data as for you get 1 strike from Comcast for going over 250GB in a month and if violated again within the next six month, it is a ban. I never experienced this yet, but before the official data limitation announcement by Comcast, I did get a call for using 1 - 2TB of DL per month for many months. I usually max out at 1,500 kBps before the announcement.

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Thats not why your phone is dieing...your phone is overheating and once it reaches a certain point your battery stops charging all together. Just aim a Fan at your phone and you can run it 24/7 while charging..thats what I do.

I am hoping they fixed this issue on TP2 but no one has yet posted a "conclusive" response.

on other note, many ISPs give newsgroups accoutns you can access for free

and BT cant have bad file unless the seeder has a bad file

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Yeah, I kind of thought about that heat issue so my 'extra' notebook cooler handle it very nicely. Even less heat are being generated, I still have to charge it daily without running anything on the phone though. About ISP giving away free newsgroups accounts, it was fine thing before, but most major ISP cracked down them. Comcast killed that resettable 2GB giganews account back then and more recently, Verizon felt the pressure about child pornography and had to shut down theirs as well.

Although those freebies were great, but they can stress you out a lot when trying to download really old files or having to reset your limit. Premium newsgroup are really cheap at ~$20 a month, if you utilize them though (no porn necessary). About bad files, it sometime happens on torrents, but not all the time. But if did happen, it is unrepairable, unlike quickpar is what I'm trying to say. Also, if I only use torrents, I depends on other users to seed and don't necessary have a constant speed all the time.. which I dislike. Can't comment on those private torrent sites though...

If people don't use torrents or newsgroups, they will never reach their limit, like that Comcast guy says. But I got to admit, Comcast is pretty generous on their 250GB limit...

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my isp(optimum online) gives newsgroups free at decent speeds and I can use up as much bandwidth as I want. In a month I probably go over a terrabyte easily. comcast is just being too cheap to upgrade their lines.

As for phone I guarantee you your never using up more energy then you charge. Ive ran BT(on my phone) while sharing internet and using bluetooth all at cone for hours straight and leave my phone sharing internet 24/7....with my fan, my battery bar doesn't move a bit.

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Holy Crap!!!
A Terrabyte in a month!!!

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Pretty nice! Around here, we only get either Verizon or Comcast, which both disabled their newsgroup servers. Seem like yours and a couple others are capped, but most of the time (when trying trials from small newsgroup companies) I found the cap is irrelevant as for I went beyond their advertised caps. For an example, Usenext said that I can use as much data as I want for the next 2 week except that they will be capped at ~125 kBps (150GB in the 2 weeks span). Surprisingly, I hit my max of 2,500 kBps and stayed like that until I reached my monthly newsgroup limit of 200GB, which is less than 1 day.

About the heat, yeah I got what you meant. That and maybe due to the fact I connected phone via USB for tethering. Just hate it when I can't remove the battery and run on AC mode :protest:

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LOL.. If I had Fios and 'unlimited' DL, I might reach the petabyte rate :drunken:

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Tethering will get you there.

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Actually ours isn't capped at all.

See in my area Verizon FIOS is in a war with Cablevision(optimum online) and what they do is crazy...

I mean for joining you get a free TV and $20 off bill after 1 year + free movie tickets...

my current is 30mbit/10mbit..FIOS I think offers 20mbit/20mbit

So yeh..downloading 1gb file in 2min is fun...

Also, why not use in Wifi mode rather then USB? its way better, mostly with a a laptop. I broke my ppc6700 usb port cause it fell 20 too many times lol

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Why is wifi better than usb.?
I usually tether via usb because >
1) faster data transfer
2) can charge my battery through usb port. Or can use no2chem's fast charging app.
3) less heat

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usb shouldn't really be that much faster because the speed of wireless is greater then the connection itself. The only thign you may loose out is on the headers but usb generates a lot of headers itself.

He is overheating wither way..so might as well put a fan on it and use wifi.

and you an charge usb while wifing as well...

Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

I am pretty sure while you are using wifi, the Diamond will not charge, via usb or dc.
It seems wifi is slower, or rather the data transfer is not as consistent as it is via usb.

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Well my wifi is fine, and I have used usb before and I have not noticed that huge difference. and I am charging while using wifi.

I am using a Mogul though.

I do not see why they wouldn't let you unless they added it as a means of overheat protection.

(I am using my wifi connection now and I work on my laptop like this over 12 hours a day)

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I just did a speed test via speedtest.net on my laptop using the wifi as modem and got:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/541103734.png

seems good to me :P

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I hear ya, but the Diamond does not charge while using wifi. As you said, I think it has to do with overheating.
With usb, I am able to charge while surfing.

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Looks good.
I gotta do a test later on.
Right now I am on my Diamond directly. Laptop is sleeping :)

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I heard something about "some" diamonds dont charge while using wifi but not sure if its a software lock or hardware lock. (besides the overheating)

And if your using wifi without charging it may be set to not be at maximum performance which could explain the inconsistency.

Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

Wouldn't want to change the setting, even if possible, as it would bypass the safety and bye bye to my Diamond.
I would be left with a lump of coal :(

Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

well keep it under a fan or air conditioner....plus my mogul overheated plenty of times when someone turns off my fan thinking its doing nothing..sigh

worst of all your battery looses its maximum capacity but you can get spares for like what 5$? I bought 2 mogul batteries for 14$ wit shipping. (my first one gained some weight after all the overheating so I don't feel safe using it lol)

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just to clear up some stuf idk if its been talked about but getting back on topic...

if you go over the 5GB it 5cents a MB there after. unless you are still on the old original plan of "unlimited" which i still have and i can use unlimited....however....

theres a little * in there that sprint covers their butt lol... at anytime that i go over 5GB they can cut off sservice. they generally dont but they can.

another thing is that this same thing is in the verizon air card too. the reason for this from what ive read is because ppl just leave their cards on while not using them. and this slows the bandwidth down causing you not to get the full speed you should get. so if sprint limits the usage you wont always be on therefore greater speeds. its just what i read in an email.

hope that helped a bit

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I always get OEM batteries. Usually free from the Sprint store rep. I just give him alittle thank of $20.
I don't trust aftermarket batteries.
Unless there is a supplier that has a good reputation.
I got 3 batteries anyway.

Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

Makes sense what you say about the data cap. Even if not enforced, many users will watch their usage and Sprint will have achieved what they set out to do.

Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

I buy from good rep suppliers who are within the US and not used but factory sealed. My guess is they are smuggled out of sprint stores anyways >.> lol


side note: orionsbuckle, I think this topic is pretty much dead and all this was discussed before.

Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

july 31st of 08 to be exact
not true

plenty of people report 10gbs or higher even... if u stream alot and torrent, this can become common usages

your both WRONG: http://nextelonline.nextel.com/en/le...cy_popup.shtml
Data Usage Limitation (Mobile Broadband Cards, USB Modems, Embedded Modems and Phone-As-Modem): The amount of data transmitted over our network is measured in kilobytes (KB), megabytes (MB) or gigabytes (GB). Sprint reserves the right to limit throughput speeds or amount of data transferred; and to deny, terminate, modify, disconnect or suspend service if usage either exceeds (a.) 5GB/month in total, unless specified otherwise or (b.) 300MB/month while off-network roaming. 1024KB equal 1MB. 1024MB equal 1GB.

now your counter argument is going to be "see, it says so right in the title" too bad your using your phone as a modem and/or usb modem regardless whether or not you have the plan for it... i dont know why the argument, everyone knows the cap really apllies to everything... its been well over a yr now

july 31st was in effect...



and people, theres no grandfathered in.. if so, why arent we grandfathered in with asurion deductables??? the new TOS for this cap went into effect july 31, 2008... once you paid the next bill, you agreed to the new TOS by paying... samething with asurion.. asurion even printed it, that once the price hike went up, the next time you paid a bill with your insurance fee on it, you agree that youll pay a higher deductable from then on..

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You haven't the slightest clue in or of what you're talking about. Unless you know 99-100%, do not go making assumptions.

Only Sprint plans and Sprint specific addons get grandfathered, outside insurance no, you can't grandfather that, why would you expect that? Asurion is not a Sprint controlled company, Verizon & Sprint are customers of Asurion.

You can't have your grandfathered status taken, unless you agree to another plan that you sign for, no exceptions.
Ask others here, if you've been with sprint for years without a plan change, you'd know that this is fact.

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and your the all seeing, all knowing sprint guy huh.... theres no real unlimited data... yes plans/rates... i had an old plan where i got 4 free downloads a month for sprint music.. had it well after the plan was gone...

and since they offically AND legally changed the TOS, which you wouldve agreed to by paying the next bill after july 31st 2008, hence losing your so called "grandfather status" on your "unlimited data"... read the fine print.. "sprint may change plan details without notice, for any reason and at any time"....

without tethering and extreme amounts of streaming, it would be near impossible to go over 5gb on a device.. again, your using "phone as modem" and/or usb modem(ics) even without the plan... so guess what, sprint COULD(being the operative word there) still charge you, notify you that you need a PAM plan, or cancel you altogether...

and Asurion doesnt have to be sprint, its a contract you entered at a previous time, under different terms, and guess what genius, it got changed... "grandfathering" is exactly that when we talk about phone plans... entering into a legally binded contract under one set of terms, the new terms change, and they allow your previous terms to hold true....

same thing with asurion, that contract you entered into legally and willfully, was changed... yet no grandfather status... but why not, its the same principal as sprint cap change....

since were talking about grandfathered contracts.... what about someone who has had the same plan for say 9yrs... VOIP was not even out then for mobile devices.. so does that mean you can use VoIP on that old contract, since the TOS you signed up with wouldnt of listed that as a big no no??? absolutely NOT!!!! and that would be a perfect example of something that Could be grandfathered in, since its a difference in 2 TOS'...

when they update TOS, the next time you pay the bill, you agree to the new TOS, no matter what it said b4, your liable under the new terms.... thats why u can keep an old rate plan for yrs and yrs, it has nothing to do with the TOS

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Have we beat this into the ground enough now?

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i dunno, have we??? LOL

technically theres a difference of opinions and facts on the topic still by quite a few

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No, I'm not a know-it-all or genius. I just happen to be one of many who know how grandfathering works & how it STILL works. Until the bomb drops, it still exists.
Again unless you have seen it 1st hand or have it, you have no room to assume facts.

Name an instance where you've had action taken...



With a smartphone, I've never heard of any action being taken against someone* with an unlimited data package, using ICS or just the phone in general going over 5GB.

*Grandfathered

You are also failing to understand the Asurion thing, Asurion terms are not contractual the only documentation you file with Asurion is the claim itself, you pay Sprint who inturn pays Asurion to whom you'll pay a deductible on their terms either via Sprint or direct.

Sprint is an CUSTOMER of Asurion, you have to remember that.

You can get any grandfathered status from then as they are NOT your carrier, Asurion's terms can change regardless, we did not sign a contract with them. You can't leave Sprint scott free if Asurion makes ANY price changes because it breaches nothing we signed.

Asurion is NOT SPRINT, that simple.

Dude VOIP, come'on we can use that TOS or no TOS they can't monitor or win against that... :/
A lost battle for carriers...

Sero, F&F, Sprint Pick 5, Unlimited data, Roaming perks, etc. are examples of what you can grandfather into your plan, even if Sprint no longer offers it.

Sprint only targets abusers of the service and still no one has been charge in penalty to date...


:scratch:
Ok this last thing you said is confusing, call me crazy but you pretty much agree that you can grandfather. This is the basic example of grandfathering... This is the reason why people can got 8GB a month on a broadband plan/cell phone plan without getting charges overages y'know.

Or are you just stating caution to the TOS you fear so much that you expect to blow up one day to the "grandfathered" people?

I can vouch that I have NEVER seen ANY form of notice or retaliation or anything remotely similar.

This is another reason why we say grandfathered, we have not been touched by the TOS penalties, EVER.

The 1st time I have EVER seen them is when one changed their plan and at the 1st toe over 5GB they were charged for doing so. These people did not have the "grandfathered" status, they were in a new plan & agreement.

Can you see the pattern there, there is such a thing as "grandfathering", it is an unofficial term but till this date, it has been true.

Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

Yes, old news. I bought a data card in May 2008. They announced the cap a couple of weeks later. So, the card went back and I cancelled. Sales rep's comment "but, 5GB is a LOT of data"!

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LOL, That is such a sweet thing for Sprint to do for us, only take $500 :)

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There is always the spending limit...

my friend has their cap at $150. My account has no cap at all :P lol

But my guess is its $150 a line and data cards may have different limits :/

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as long as I dont get charged for my cell phone im all gravy, especially not getting charged for tethering :)

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first the whole VoIP thing was merely to point out that you couldve possibly signed a contract, before that wording was in there, and by your logic, would be grandfathered in to be able to use it, since u signed b4 a newer TOS was released saying its a NO No.... and your carrier can tell if your using VoIP im sure....

and Yes, OUR(all) carriers can tell the difference between data usage and tethering usage : http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...90&postcount=1 if not how did this guys carrier know he was tethering... and they warn him that he will get charged if he doesnt make appropriate changesto his plan....

tethering is not the issue though... the CAP is... and since were using our unlimited data plans as a Phone AS Modem or USB modem, then your "unlimited data" technically has a 5gb soft cap, snce your using your device in this fashion...

Specific Terms & Restrictions On Using Data Services
In addition to the rules for using all of our other Services, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, wireless routers, Data Link, etc.), you can’t use our data Services: (1) with server devices or host computer applications, or other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions; and (2) as a substitute or backup for private lines or frame relay connections. We reserve the right to limit or suspend any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our network performance or hinders access to our network. If your Services include unlimited web or data access, you also can’t use your Device as a modem for computers or other equipment, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, with "phone as modem" plans, Sprint Mobile Broadband card plans, wireless router plans, etc.).

and this end any arguments that you could actually be grandfathered in to a so called "real unlimited data plan"


Services are not available for use in connection with server devices or host computer applications, other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions, or as substitutes for private lines or frame relay connections. Except with phone-as-modem plans, you may not use a phone (including a Bluetooth phone) on a plan with unlimited Vision/Power Vision as a modem in connection with a computer, PDA, or similar device. We reserve the right to deny or terminate service without notice for any misuse. Availability of downloadable or streaming content is subject to change.

Terms and conditions are subject to change. - this is how they protect themselves against anyone trying to claim grandfather status....

the next time you paid your bill, after the July 31 2008 TOS change, you agreed to 5gb soft cap, especially if you tether or use your phone as a modem in any way....

if you wanna claim that there is "unlimited data" for dumbphone users, and for people who chose not to tether, then fine, ill conceed on that portion of it... but if your gonna tether, in any fashion, then yes, OUR carriers want us not to exceed 5gbs...


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lastly.... just one more thing about this grandfathering.... since you apparently have had the same contract since b4 july 31 2008, does that mean you think your "grandfathered" away from other changes in TOS and carrier agreements??

example... we used to have unlimited roaming abilities correct? it was marketed as free roaming(some plans u may of needed to "add-on" but was an option) for quite awhile we agree?

now, there is a 800minute cap on roaming... sprint claims to possibly terminate you if you go over this..

Roaming-Included Plans: Not available with single-band phones, or to customers residing outside an area covered by the Nationwide Sprint PCS Network. Sprint may terminate service if (1) more than 800 minutes, (2) a majority of minutes or (3) a majority of data kilobytes in a given month are used while roaming. International calling, including in Canada and Mexico, is not included in roaming-included plans. Roaming usage may be invoiced after 30-60 days. Vision/Power Vision services and certain calling features (Voicemail, Caller ID, Call Waiting, etc.) may not be available in all roaming areas.

do you think your grandfathered beyond this change as well??? afterall, odds are your contract was signed b4 this went into effect as well...

its all the same... it doesnt matter under what terms u entered into with your carrier... once they change their rules and policies, your bound under them next time you pay the bill...

again, Terms and conditions are subject to change.

Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

Just make sure you use the right software and not what is included originally with your phone :)

Re: sprint capping "unlimited" data
 

well I just use whatever is cooked into my 6.5

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So long as you don't use anything stock for tethering.