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Negrito 05-12-2008 05:46 PM

Longest Tether session?
 
Ok so i have been using my Touch for internet on my MacBook. I was just wondering...

Whats the longest you have had your touch tethered to your computer?
Did you have any problems with the phone overheating?

Primenall 05-12-2008 06:03 PM

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You shouldn't ever have a problem, I have a couple of phones and so when I stay at my girlfriend's house for the weekend I just leave my laptop tethered the whole weekend to my touch (Usually downloading off the usenet at full speed lol)

bedoig 05-12-2008 06:05 PM

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With a Touch you could stay tethered forever. You're not going to run into any problems on the hardware side. Your carrier might not appreciate it though.

Negrito 05-12-2008 06:09 PM

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Ok, oh and i forgot to mention im using the lbuetooth pan, that doesnt make a diff does it?

bedoig 05-12-2008 06:31 PM

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No. If you were using WiFi (not that the Touch can) you would notice a little extra heat. Even that hasn't been an issue for me on my Mogul though. You will be discharging your battery more quickly/frequently so you can expect a somewhat diminished battery lifespan, but again, nothing to be overly concerned about.

cruise350 05-12-2008 06:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 280601)
No. If you were using WiFi (not that the Touch can) you would notice a little extra heat. Even that hasn't been an issue for me on my Mogul though. You will be discharging your battery more quickly/frequently so you can expect a somewhat diminished battery lifespan, but again, nothing to be overly concerned about.

If you are tethering using USB, won't your phone be charging at the same time, so will you really drain your battery??

darkshadow46236 05-12-2008 10:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cruise350 (Post 280615)
If you are tethering using USB, won't your phone be charging at the same time, so will you really drain your battery??

Until the USB source runs out of power, you are right it really should not drain with tethered with USB. I've done that before and charged the touch while tethering via usb.

bedoig 05-13-2008 10:17 AM

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He asked specifically about tethering over BT.

Negrito 05-13-2008 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 281259)
He asked specifically about tethering over BT.

Yes, I need to know about BT. I have a Mac and so far BT is the only free way i have found to use my touch as a modem. and not even be charged by sprint...

bedoig 05-13-2008 11:49 AM

Re: Longest Tether session?
 
I've also used USBModem by Mobile Stream for USB tethering in OSX. If you need to keep you're device charged, you might want to check it out.

clockcycle 05-13-2008 12:08 PM

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If you are using the stock battery, you shouldn't worry about over heating unless you have a faulty one. If you are using an after market battery, keep a watch on it, since it may not include the IC to control over charge or over heating.

If you have never had a problem charging the phone via it's standard charger, then the above shouldn't be an issue.

-CC

Negrito 05-13-2008 12:27 PM

Re: Longest Tether session?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 281369)
I've also used USBModem by Mobile Stream for USB tethering in OSX. If you need to keep you're device charged, you might want to check it out.


Thanks, but my free setup is good for now.

Negrito 05-14-2008 06:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by clockcycle (Post 281391)
If you are using the stock battery, you shouldn't worry about over heating unless you have a faulty one. If you are using an after market battery, keep a watch on it, since it may not include the IC to control over charge or over heating.


Ok, so i have a stock battery and im pretty sure my phone was "overheating." I had fallen asleep with my touch and my macbook plugged in and tethered. (which i dont normally do) So is 100+ degrees too hot?

oh and i know that it wasnt the most accurate way, but i just woke up and was freaking out at how hot my phone was. so what i did was take the battery cover off and held the probe of the thermometer up against the battery.


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HeXDeMoN 05-14-2008 06:49 PM

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I would say yes thats to hot I wouldnt let it get that hot anyways. I'm sure if it did overheat it would shutoff or you know explode!!!

ajones7279 05-14-2008 07:14 PM

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I always tether for hours on end with my touch and I haven't had any overheating problems at all. Tethering now as I type. And I'm using usb and Windows btw

nerys 05-14-2008 07:20 PM

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Well length of tethering is a bit of a misnomer. Since the data connection is only really active when your actively transmitting/recieving data. Its one of the most efficient ways of doing it. IE you use "no" sprint resources while your reading a page your loaded. Its all digital so it instantly (for the most part) connects and disconnects as needed. So Unless you have a continuous download going your not even using the radio 100% of that time probably less than 10% of that time. BT takes so little power your not going to overheat anything using it.

Negrito 05-15-2008 01:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nerys (Post 283206)
Well length of tethering is a bit of a misnomer. Since the data connection is only really active when your actively transmitting/recieving data. Its one of the most efficient ways of doing it. IE you use "no" sprint resources while your reading a page your loaded. Its all digital so it instantly (for the most part) connects and disconnects as needed. So Unless you have a continuous download going your not even using the radio 100% of that time probably less than 10% of that time. BT takes so little power your not going to overheat anything using it.


So what are you saying? also i am using a constant download. (torrents)

and btw im on a MacBook using BT pan.

sebo 05-15-2008 01:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Negrito (Post 283594)
So what are you saying? also i am using a constant download. (torrents)

and btw im on a MacBook using BT pan.

either way once the download has completed the connection is terminated a few seconds after and a session of your IP is saved until the next request.

anyway, even if your downloading a torrent that is 24 hours long the connection is bound to be interrupted at one point another as you switch towers or whatever, it's just invisible and reconnects quickly again and resumes..

these are computers and they don't overheat unless your operating it in an enclosed plastic bag or something. uh could you imagine the crap cell companies would get from customers if their device overheated because they used it too much? total chaos.. and when was the last time anyone posted about their phone overheated? i don't recall such issues.

it's like buying a brand new car and having it break down because you drove it too far.

nerys 05-15-2008 01:34 AM

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Well THAT might cause and overheat. though 100' does not sound unsafe Stuff it in your pocket and its gonna be 98.6 in short order.

But yeah downloading a torrent is gonna keep all the radios maxed and on 100% duty cycle. that will probably make it a bit warm. I know most of my phones are physically warm (anything that feels WARM to your sense of touch is over 98') and almost hot after a really long conversation. Especially the smaller phones (less material to act as a heat sink)

But if all it got was 100' I would not be too concerned. An idea is to leave it on its face and remove the battery cover. It will cool better and make sure the screen backlight is OFF and the screen as well if possible (less E usage less heat build up)

Torrents?? Over EVDO and sprint does not mess with you! WOW :-)

As for phones not overheating. How many phones have you had? every single phone I have ever owned has gotten physically warm to very nearly HOT (some of them downright hot as in well over 120') after extended usage.

Far less when used with headset (no "face" to insulate and provide heat) but yeah my sanyo 6200 damn that bugger got hot enough to scorch me a little after a 30 minute conversation :-) Future phones same thing to differing degrees.

sebo 05-15-2008 01:48 AM

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i can't even believe people are worried about overheating, yet they aren't worried sprint might catch them downloading all that PORN and crap..

ajones7279 05-15-2008 02:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nerys (Post 283603)
Well THAT might cause and overheat. though 100' does not sound unsafe Stuff it in your pocket and its gonna be 98.6 in short order.

But yeah downloading a torrent is gonna keep all the radios maxed and on 100% duty cycle. that will probably make it a bit warm. I know most of my phones are physically warm (anything that feels WARM to your sense of touch is over 98') and almost hot after a really long conversation. Especially the smaller phones (less material to act as a heat sink)

But if all it got was 100' I would not be too concerned. An idea is to leave it on its face and remove the battery cover. It will cool better and make sure the screen backlight is OFF and the screen as well if possible (less E usage less heat build up)

Torrents?? Over EVDO and sprint does not mess with you! WOW :-)

As for phones not overheating. How many phones have you had? every single phone I have ever owned has gotten physically warm to very nearly HOT (some of them downright hot as in well over 120') after extended usage.

Far less when used with headset (no "face" to insulate and provide heat) but yeah my sanyo 6200 damn that bugger got hot enough to scorch me a little after a 30 minute conversation :-) Future phones same thing to differing degrees.

Lol i download all the time while I tether and no bills here either

Negrito 05-15-2008 09:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajones7279 (Post 283669)
Lol i download all the time while I tether and no bills here either

Just gotta be smarter than 'the man,' right? lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by sebo (Post 283620)
i can't even believe people are worried about overheating, yet they aren't worried sprint might catch them downloading all that PORN and crap..

Porn? Not at all. Just cause all you dl is pron doesnt mean im a scumbag too. Some of us like music, movies, and programs much more.


Re: nerys I already do all that you said. I just make sure to keep an eye on it. the new S2U2 with the battery is a great help.

Success100 05-15-2008 10:03 AM

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please, i get about 10 disconnects an hour!!

bedoig 05-15-2008 11:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Success100 (Post 283835)
please, i get about 10 disconnects an hour!!

Do you use an exchange server, or other push service? If so, try disabling it. Made a huge difference for me using WMWifiRouter (zero disconnects since turning off exchange sync).

Success100 05-15-2008 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 283941)
Do you use an exchange server, or other push service? If so, try disabling it. Made a huge difference for me using WMWifiRouter (zero disconnects since turning off exchange sync).

really?? ill try that cuz during the day my push email is on

**update**

that didnt fix it. i dont know why this happens i think its this dumb azz computer....ive always had problems tethering with it.

the crazy part is its new.

bedoig 05-15-2008 11:45 AM

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For WMWifiRouter at least, it is a known issue (found it the other day browsing the FAQs at WMWifiRouter.com). I'm not sure if it is interfering with ICS or WMWifiRouter itself, but it made a big difference by disabling it. Worth a shot....even if you are on a POS Touch ;)

Success100 05-15-2008 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 283948)
For WMWifiRouter at least, it is a known issue (found it the other day browsing the FAQs at WMWifiRouter.com). I'm not sure if it is interfering with ICS or WMWifiRouter itself, but it made a big difference by disabling it. Worth a shot....even if you are on a POS Touch ;)

lol shut up the same thing happened when i had a titan. wmwifirouter worked flawless though.

i think my computer keeps disconnecting the usb ports

AceszHigh 05-15-2008 11:55 AM

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Using my cracked PDAnet (USB tether), I've tethered for up to 36 hrs or so straight downloading the whole time. I use my tethered touch as my primary internet, so I'm tethering a few hours a day minimum. Haven't had any issues with sprint yet, knock on wood...

nerys 05-15-2008 03:03 PM

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Wait ?? You guys are tethering with newer phones ?? How does that work? I thought only the 6700 could legitimately do that?

psywzrd 05-15-2008 03:23 PM

Re: Longest Tether session?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bedoig (Post 281369)
I've also used USBModem by Mobile Stream for USB tethering in OSX. If you need to keep you're device charged, you might want to check it out.

Are you talking specifically about Leopard? If so, I thought you couldn't do it via USB in Leopard yet?

bedoig 05-15-2008 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by psywzrd (Post 284175)
Are you talking specifically about Leopard? If so, I thought you couldn't do it via USB in Leopard yet?

Not sure about Leopard. It worked in Panther and Tiger. I'll give 10.5 a shot when I get home.

(Man, I think it is time to find a new naming scheme. Enough with the cats! :))

Primenall 05-15-2008 06:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nerys (Post 284151)
Wait ?? You guys are tethering with newer phones ?? How does that work? I thought only the 6700 could legitimately do that?

Well WM6 has an included app "Internet Connection Sharing", and Sprint did try to deter tethering (very lame attempt) by making it so ICS can't make a data connection itself, but if you have a data connection going already from another program...ie googlemaps opera etc... ICS will connect right up.

There is also a hack to allow ICS to make a data connection itself, just by deleting one registry entry, it appears they don't know/care when we are tethering.

TraderStav 05-16-2008 09:12 AM

Re: Longest Tether session?
 
I tether every single day with my Mogul and before I picked that up did so with my Touch. (Bought a mogul for a dedicated tether!) I daytrade from my laptop via the tether so there is consistently a lot of data being transmitted. I OCCASIONALLY get disconnected but routinely stay connected for 8+ hours with no problems at all. The Touch was far more reliable than the Mogul to be sure.

I have noticed that even tethering over USB that sometimes it stops charging and after a few minutes starts again. This has led to the battery draining and forcing the phone to turn the radio off. This is rare though. I'm looking to get an extra battery for times like that.


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