Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

Since I'm near Nirvana now (Everything works great).

I thought I'd ask if there is a true BT Confirmation Volume Fix.

I know all about AudioPara.csv I posted the first one for the Mogul some time ago.

On the Stock Touch it was already a little louder than stock Mogul and I tried quite a while on BT Volume on both Mogul and Touch with no luck. So I just run stock AudioPara.csv. Worried about blowing speakers.

I know there was one posted and I think there was claim to slight improvement on BT Volume (not sure if it was BT Volume [Radio] or BT Confirmation [PDA OS]. Well it needs way more than slight improvement for confirmation.

If it is in AudioPara.Csv does anyone know what the Parameters in (Line and Column in Excel) I don't want to change anything else because I'm happy with it and don't see it worth risking blowing a speaker.

Problem also is I've seen about 5 formats for this file as well. The fix might not be in the AudioPara.csv

So anyone know the full scoop?

Thanks

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

Your SIG lists the 3.35 (Titan) radio and the Altell ROM. AFAIK, the Altell ROM did not include MS Voice Command. Which version of Voice Command are you working with?

Also, are you able to get confirmation to work, but the volume is low (almost inaudible)? If that is the case and confirmation works and announcement works, but the volume is simply too low to reliably hear what is being confirmed or announced, I am afraid that there really isn't much of a solution available. All of the AudioPara.csv fixes I have seen were for the actual volume and quality of the conversation. I have never seen where an update or change to AudioPara.csv has had a discernable impact on the volume or quality of the confirmation or announcement.

If you have experienced otherwise, please share, as I too would like to learn how to 'fix' this issue.

My hope is that the next release for the Touch/Vogue by HTC/Sprint (Rev.A + GPS) will include MS Voice Command. When this happens, the BlueTooth drivers and/or Voice Command will often receive some massaging in order to get things working properly.

Best regards,
-boggsie

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

I'm using last retail version with no patches Build 1.60.4622.0 and yes confirmation is working over BT to my surprise. With this round of ROM's. Just low volume. I still use it because I can hear it 2/3's of the time. I do have DLL's for Announce of Caller ID that I have not installed yet.

Thanks for the info.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

The way that MS Voice Command has aged would tend to make me think that the version you have would now be referenced as 1.6.04622.0. There are other versions out there, primarily 1.6.17913 and 1.6.19209. I have also duplicated your experince with 1.6.17913. Voice Command responses, confirmation and announcement works, but it is barely audible.

There may, in fact, be other ways to improve the quality of the announcement and confirmation, I just haven't come across them.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

There's a registry trick to increase the volume on VC that people swear by, but I've never had any luck with it.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

This is also my last issue with my touch. I have looked everywhere and tried my hand at hacking the registry. Confirmation volume is tied somehow to the main volume of the phone. If the phone volume is up 100% I can hear the confirmation, but just barely. Moving volume down a notch will reduce the confirmation volume further. There must be some fix for this; we just need to find it.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

This registry edit that you speak of; would you mind sharing?

I don't recall the specifics, but I do recall folks reporting some level of success with a registry edit on WM5. Unfortunately, it does not appear that this particular key exists on WM6 and when it is created, it does not have an impact on volume.

Best regards,
-boggsie

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

Most of the AudioPara.CSV files I have seen, concentrated on modifying the 10th column of the lines that begin with ann_PHONE_EARCUPLE_VOLn. I've never experienced these edits having an impact on the volume or quality of the Announcements or Volume ... but I'm going to try to do this to the AudioPara.csv file on my phone right now.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

I too have seen Registry Hacks and they have been around for years and don't help with this problem. Nor has any AudioPara.csv. If any of these hacks do help, it's very minor. I have not retried any hack with my squeaky clean ROM. And really don't want to hack around if it's the same old story.

I can certainly live with it, and do use it with the low volume, but it sure would be nice to find it.

One reason I ask is everyone swore confirmation would not be fixed until we saw the new version of VC and low and behold it's working now !!!

I was hoping I just missed it with the flurry of GPS threads and ROM threads.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

Keep us posted !!

One thing I do, to see if you have ANY chance of controlling something is set it to ZERO. If the volume goes to ZERO then you know you are close to the right parameter. You can also set lots of ZERO's at one shot and "binary search" it. That is, if volume goes to zero after inserting 20 0's then try half of them, determine which half it was then do half again. Rather than doing one by one.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

anyone try no2hem nueaudio, the lil visual program he wrote to edit audiopara on 3.xx titan ROM's. i wonder if itd work with the Touch now that we use 3.xx roms

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

... and a really interesting aspect to this, is that it (Confirmation) is working with, what might be considered, older versions of Voice Command. The latest version, 19209, extracted from an updated Kaiser ROM, has not worked (with confirmation) ... not on my Touch, anyway.

This functionality suddenly working is with respect to the 3.35 (Titan) or 3.37 (Touch-Altell) radios and MS Voice Command (v.1.6.04622 for you and v.1.6.17913). Which makes me conclude that it isn't Voice Command that needs to be updated, it is the RADIO or OS Drivers that have to be updated for a proper implementation of the API or at least an implementation that works with MS Voice Command. I hope this comes across the way I intended ... it sounds so clear in my head, but sometimes I have trouble figuring out what happens between my brain and fingers.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

The file has changed a bit, but I imagine that NueAudio would still work, because it appears that column 10 still is where the volume can be affected.

I haven't used it in awhile, it might make this process a little quicker.

Edit: ... grrr - for some unknown reason, I failed to select .net framework when I cooked this rom, so NueAudio will not work

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

I'll let you guys play. Let me know how it goes. :)

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

I understood. I don't think it's the Radio. The Radio with BT headset works fine. It's on the OS side that handles confirmation. Possibly the BT Profile driver.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

Results so far:


I began with a Sprint OEM ROM that I decomposed into a kitchen that I believe was put together by DogGuy, using tools built from a number of contributors. I mention this, so where credit is due, I have made an attempt to pass it along. :)


Here is what I am working with:
BL = SPL-0.40.CoKe
Radio = 2.13.00
Rom = 1.12


This Radio does not include Rev.A, nor does it support GPS functionality.
This ROM is Windows Mobile 6 Professional - CE OS 5.2.1620 (Build 18125.0.4.2)


Built with MS VoiceCommand = 1.6.17913
The prompts are virtually inaudible. I can press the earpiece into my ear canal and then they are relatively clear.
In-Call volume is fine. Callers can hear me and I can hear them.
I can hear the prompt, but no matter what I try, I can not get Voice Command to accept my acknowledgement.


Built with MS VoiceCommand = 1.6.19209
The prompts are still very light in volume, but they seem a little bit louder than inaudible.
I can hear the prompt, but no matter what I try, I can not get Voice Command to accept my acknowledgement.
In-Call volume is fine. Callers can hear me and I can hear them.


Based on the aparent inability of 1.6.19209 to accept any form of acknowledgement, I decided to concentrate on modifying the AudioPara.csv in 1.6.17913 to increase the volume of confirmations and announcements. I used no2chem's neat little nueAudio application.


Unfortunately, the result is that while in-call volume is impacted, the volume of announcements and confirmations does not vary. :(


I agree with opinions of others stated in this thread; there has to be a way, either through registry or settings file (AudioPara.csv) manipulation. Unfortunately, the settings file has over 60 lines of different settings and some of those lines have nearly 90 columns of settings to (potentially) manipulate. You can narrow down the probable choices based on the names of the lines, but what we really need is some type of FAQ or guide (internal to Microsoft and their OEM's ?) on how the AudioPara file impacts the behavior of MS Voice Command.


So, my recommendation is, if you find yourself in a boat described by this post, run with MS VoiceCommand = 1.6.17913 and recognize that, while confirmation acknowledgement will probably work, you will struggle to hear the confirmation, announcement and acknowledgement prompts.


Best regards,
-boggsie

p.s. the next logical step would be to continue the analysis with the 3.x radio ... unfortunately, I will not be able to spend much time on this analysis. My hope is that there is a pending update in the pipeline from Sprint/HTC and it will address some of these issues for Sprint users, which the PPCKitchen can then be used to share with non-Sprint subscribers.

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

Ok, I just prooved to myself NOTHING in AudioPara.csv affects BT Audio (in Call or in Confirmation, Not Radio or PDA). Zip, Zero, Zilch.

I set EVERY single parameter to ZERO in AudioPara.csv

Earpiece was dead as expected
Handset Mic was dead as expected
Speakerphone was dead as expected

BT HeadSet Mic worked the same (VoiceCommand heard me on BT headset but not on HandSet Mic)
BT HeadSet Confirmation worked exactly the same volume
BT HeadSet in Call Volume Level was the same

We need to look elsewhere

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

The Sprint OEM ROM, discussed here:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=26114

... and available for download here:

http://ppckitchen.org/misc/V3.02.rar

... contains Radio V.3.37.15

This radio, along with the 3.02 update to PPCKitchen helps call confirmation to work over Bluetooth with MS Voice Command 1.6.19209, which is also available in PPCKitchen.

Please, don't start downloading and installing stuff, based solely upon this post.

If you aren't already using the PPCGeeks kitchen and/or if you haven't upgraded your Touch / Vogue to a V.3.x (Rev.A + GPS) ROM, please read the associated and stickied posts in the Vogue Upgrade forum.

Best regards,
-boggsie

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

I also have msvc retail which is 1.60.4622.0. I'm now back to stock vzw ROM (long story as to why I took the big step back) after enjoying the kitchen with WM 6.1 in which msvc works GREAT. The retail version I have basically doesn't work. Not only the low response volume issue mentioned here (in which the registry hacks for volume do noting), but working more like 1.5 in that it doesn't respond to the BT button reliably, etc.

You referenced some later builds. Where can they be found?

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391262 Make sure you visit the thread and read the information provided by the poster. Best regards, -boggsie

Re: Voice Command Confirmation Volume over BT?
 

If your back on the stock ROM the other versions won't fix it. It will fix caller ID though.

I went back to the first Alltel ROM with Sprint Radio and Retail Version of MSVC. The Leak ROM was just too buggy for me (big reason was the combiniation of WM 6.1, that later version of MSVC required and blue tooth).

Still have the volume issue on confirmation but everything else is much more stable.