Originally Posted by bkhoste (Post 802834)

Not to sound mean, but did you try moving outside when you turn on the GPS on Google Maps?

Originally Posted by xgm541

I think youve got agps and google gps confused

AGPS works with ur GPS drivers to get a more accurate position for you. Google GPS as I called it comes built in with google maps which uses cell towers to tell you approximately where you are on a map based on which cell phone towers you are near. Essentially aGPS is the same thing except aGPS is used for acquiring a GPS signal while google gps can be used without a GPS chip at all.

Now about the "unavailable" error, i know that when i am in the city i get google to tell me where i am without GPS enabled within 1000 meters all the time. When I am up state google sometimes tells me, sometimes doesnt. Because google says "location unavailable" does not mean aGPS is off because they are two separate things.


try taking a car somewhere else and see if google gps works there.

Originally Posted by zikronix (Post 803017)

not the issue....i know that see my reply to the following post below.



agps is assisted gps i understand that. what im reffering to is the following...I have gmm (google maps mobile) on my blackberry and i have it on my tpro. My bberry 8830 has agps as well...gmm has the option to use cell trianglation or use gps at least on my blackberry. What im talking about is the cell trianglation (a feature built into the agps stadard (when supported by the tower)) doesnt seem to work on my tp. cell trianglation works fine on the berry in the same city. Basically if im in an area with poor gps signal...gmm should default to cell trianglation... and it should tell me "my location" but instead on my tp it just tells me location not availaible....but it should be and i dont see why it wouldnt unless it just simply doesnt work on the tp.

Originally Posted by Yankees368 (Post 803346)

Can someone clear this up for me once and for all?

Once in Penn Station in NYC with my old Mogul titan, deep underground waiting for a train, I turned on google maps. To my surprise, gmaps pinpointed me on the map in penn station. Clearly, it did not use GPS. I have no been able to get the TP to do this kind of action. Was that a-GPS in action?

Originally Posted by darkjedi007 (Post 803339)

What you are referring to isn't called AGPS, but rather called Cell-ID, which is a GSM technology. Windows mobile doesn't support the cell triangulation feature for some reason, which is a problem because we can't use the My Location feature without enabling GPS first. This was an issue raised with the latest Google Latitude where WM won't update it's location if the phone is in standby or if Google Maps is closed because WM can't initialize the My Location function that relies on tower triangulation.

AGPS is specifically the technology that requires GPS satellites, but uses nearby cellphone towers to 'hint' as to it's location which helps the GPS chip lock much faster than standalone GPS.

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 803137)

According to recent postings, you need to switch to the telus aGPS settings as the VZ ones don't work anymore.

I haven't paid too much attention to it as the GPS in my Sprint TP on VZ service is still working just fine (I got a 10 satellite lock from inside where I work yesterday)

~John

Originally Posted by Yankees368 (Post 803346)

Can someone clear this up for me once and for all?

Once in Penn Station in NYC with my old Mogul titan, deep underground waiting for a train, I turned on google maps. To my surprise, gmaps pinpointed me on the map in penn station. Clearly, it did not use GPS. I have no been able to get the TP to do this kind of action. Was that a-GPS in action?

Originally Posted by zikronix (Post 803488)

Thanky you...you understood what i was talking about. People this isnt about obtaining fast locks or installing thios or installing that. This is about not using gps at all in any way shape or form and using cell triangaltion when your in an area where you cant physically get a gps signal.

I started on this because when im fildding around I would like gmm to update via cell triangaltion. My black berry does it on sprint but my tp wouldnt...

i referred to this as agps which confused some people...as the definition of agps is stated above..."AGPS is specifically the technology that requires GPS satellites, but uses nearby cellphone towers to 'hint' as to it's location which helps the GPS chip lock much faster than standalone GPS." One one of the spec built into agps is to fall back on to cell trianglation....So thats why I said agps. Now if Winmo doesnt support the "cell trianglation" fetaure...than that is a problem.

BTW when I do use gps i get locks 9 sats+ in less than 7 seconds.




My true gps works fine...just like yours. but do you have those settings i want to try some things.



See thats what im talking about...Its hard to say.. cause the mougl was winmo. and my location worked (I was prettyr sure it did on my friends) with out using the gps chip, so it was using cell trianglation instead. Like i said...technially it could have been using a feature set of agps (the feature that if you cannot obtain a gps signal it defaults to cell triangaltion) it does this because of the e911 stuff.

So maybe winmo does support it for the os but other applications cant access it? maybe gmm is just jacked up on the tpro. I cant think of any other app that has that feature so its kinda hard to test. to see if its gmm.

Originally Posted by darkjedi007 (Post 803652)

My Sprint Mogul unfortunately was never able to acquire a lock using only cell towers/My Location technology.

Also to clarify, Sprint/Verizon are CDMA and don't use Cell-ID but another technology, I believe it is that technology that WM/GMM is unable to support. If you are on a GSM network CellID may still works for WM, perhaps a Fuze user can clarify. The API for us CDMA devices doesn't allow WM/GMM to access the CDMA CellID equivalent on our phones.

//I found the link where I got this information from
http://www.google.com/support/mobile...&answer=105928
Specifically this quote
"Some devices, particularly Windows Mobile devices, do not have the the proper API enabled to allow for cell ID location detection. "

Also the G1 is an Android phone and not actually Windows Mobile. Android was likely built with the API to support CellID and its sister technologies.

Originally Posted by knife (Post 804124)

I have never been able to see any effect from aGPS (or cell triangulation, but I don't think that works at all on the TP) set on or off. Radio / ROM don't make a bit of difference. I work in a building with very few windows and when I am in certain areas there is no way I can get a lock. But, my junky BB Curve (sprint service) gets locks nearly instantly.

I've tried Sprint's agps settings, only to find them locked down to Sprint phones (or phones with Sprint service at least :DD)
Also tried Verizons from the aGPS provisioning cab, etc etc...

jmorton, I'm curious what your gpsone / registry settings are. Mine are set as in the CAB:
HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS
<parm name="ServerIP" datatype="string" value="66.174.95.132"/>
<parm name="ServerPort" datatype="integer" value="8888"/>
<parm name="GPSMode" datatype="integer" value="4"/>

I know I'm missing something... does anyone have working aGPS settings for TP on Verizon? I've read that the Telus canada servers might be an option, but I wanted to see if anyone here was using them.

Overall, the GPS works great on my phone (slight lag) and decent locks if I am outside.

I did have some crazy incident last week (while travelling and actually needed it!!!!) where the GPS couldn't get more than 2 sats... quickgps and booting didn't do a darn thing... then 20 minutes later it worked fine, but for this I have 0 explanation... even the sky was clear. I had to power up my laptop and bust out the USB GPS adapter to get where I needed to.

If anyone does have an answer for this, please let me know. For some reason I can't seem to let this go as this crappy Sprint BB Curve can get GPS locks I can only dream of.