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bugsy90 03-10-2009 12:35 PM

Camera Blur Gone - Simple Fix
 
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By simply changing the brightness level to -2.0 you will no longer have a blur - it's like changing the ISO on a camera and the FPS will jump by over 50%. check it out in full here:http://www.fuzemobility.com/decrease...camera-really/
Also, here's a consolidated cab that contains the following: 1) eliminates delay time between focus and capture 2) remove shutter sound 3) configures 7mp panoramic photos 4) adds burst and sport modes
These are all put in a cab just to help those of you who either don't like tweaking their registry or just find it useful for flashing. These are all tweaks that have been known for a long time and are listed seperately on the bottom of the fuzemobiltiy link above

The Coach 03-10-2009 01:29 PM

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Tried out the tweak and it drastically increased to quality of my pictures. I never have been able to get random shots of anything except stationary objects before, but it looks like this is going to change that.=D>

freeza 03-10-2009 01:54 PM

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Awesome, trying now.

5dadd7 03-10-2009 02:26 PM

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Great tweak, thanks!

bugsy90 03-10-2009 02:27 PM

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yeah - it's great...all because my wife was complaining that her HD took crappy pics so I compared it to my Fuze. Anyway, at FuzeMobility we have the other known tweaks to decrease the delays, give the extra shooting modes, increase panarama quality...those are all known tweaks though. I'm happy that I can use my camera again like it's supposed to be used and video is sharp again

chronster 03-10-2009 02:36 PM

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Blur not gone but improved, and this fix was posted long ago. Title is misleading.

darren.wlsn1 03-10-2009 02:41 PM

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bugsy, the pro guys thankyou more than the diamond guys. lol i thanked you twice because i have a diamond and pro. give one to the wife.

thestick00 03-10-2009 02:42 PM

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Wow. This is insane. I am like whipping around corners taking action shots on the fly now. NO BLUR. A little dark (very little), but NO BLUR. This is a must. Now i can actually use the camera. Was tired of telling people to hold still for like 1/2 an hour so my touch pro could catch them in action. Lol.

bugsy90 03-10-2009 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by thestick00 (Post 763311)
Wow. This is insane. I am like whipping around corners taking action shots on the fly now. NO BLUR. A little dark (very little), but NO BLUR. This is a must. Now i can actually use the camera. Was tired of telling people to hold still for like 1/2 an hour so my touch pro could catch them in action. Lol.

If it's too dark then just play with it a little and try -1.5 or -1 which will be brighter. YOu can also increase the saturation which is in the menu settings which is pretty close to making it brigther without the ISO issue.

chronster 03-10-2009 02:57 PM

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Ok wait a second wait a second wait a second....

12 thanks so far? Before we all go thanking bugsy through the roof, take a look here: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=57164

This guy already discussed how to get perfect images a month ago, and one of the things he mentioned was setting brightness to -2. He's only been thanked twice (once by me :D)

So yall should head to that thread and see what other findings he posted and give thanks where thanks is due.

w7excursion 03-10-2009 03:10 PM

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thanks for the info!

ashimp1 03-10-2009 04:43 PM

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This is awesome thank for the info. Now maybe I can use the camera as it was ment to be on the fly.

bugsy90 03-10-2009 04:52 PM

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when you're home at night try taknig a photo in the lgihting you have at night which isn't daytime lighting...you'll be shocked - you can take a nonblurry photo...even if you move the camera you can still get a perfectly still photo. It's beyond me why they didn't just make us aware of this from the start. If they said 'brightness = ISO' we would have had a functional camera a long time ago.

orionsbuckle 03-10-2009 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chronster (Post 763349)
Ok wait a second wait a second wait a second....

12 thanks so far? Before we all go thanking bugsy through the roof, take a look here: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=57164

This guy already discussed how to get perfect images a month ago, and one of the things he mentioned was setting brightness to -2. He's only been thanked twice (once by me :D)

So yall should head to that thread and see what other findings he posted and give thanks where thanks is due.


well ill thank both of them im thanking bugsy though cus he was the one that has brought it to my attention...i will pass on thanks to this other guy though as well...thanks for the heads up

mikey1234 03-10-2009 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bugsy90 (Post 763035)
By simply changing the brightness level to -2.0 you will no longer have a blur - it's like changing the ISO on a camera and the FPS will jump by over 50%. check it out in full here:http://www.fuzemobility.com/decrease...camera-really/

anyone have this cab that this article references that ups the MP of our cameras?

Unknown Zone 03-10-2009 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1234 (Post 763637)
anyone have this cab that this article references that ups the MP of our cameras?

You cannot change the MP of the camera without phyical changing out the some hardware if your camera has a limit of 3.2M and you want it to capture 5M.....the ISO the article is stating is the speed that the shutter is taking the picture..ie faster fps less blur and so on.....which has nothing to do with uping the MP of the camera.


What you are referring to is the "Panoramic Photo" hack in the article.
It Quotes:
"By default the Fuze is set to an astonishing .67mp and with a simple cab file it goes up to 6.92mp. I just tested it out and my sample photo went from 85.5k to 799.2k in size which is the right direction:) "

HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/P3
Adjust MainCamCaptSize to 1024 and MainCamSupportCaptSize to 1744

chronster 03-10-2009 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1234 (Post 763637)
anyone have this cab that this article references that ups the MP of our cameras?


You can up the mp of panoramic photos, but it's really just 3 3.2mp photos lined up together: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467616

other than that, 3.2 is the highest you can go.

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Originally Posted by bugsy90 (Post 763595)
when you're home at night try taknig a photo in the lgihting you have at night which isn't daytime lighting...you'll be shocked - you can take a nonblurry photo...even if you move the camera you can still get a perfectly still photo. It's beyond me why they didn't just make us aware of this from the start. If they said 'brightness = ISO' we would have had a functional camera a long time ago.

Lowering the brightness to -2 was literally one of the first things I did for better image. I mean dang, if I had known nobody else touched that setting I would have commented on the improvement ages ago.

I'm really honestly surprised at the reaction to this "find". Also, the blur isn't "gone" just improved. As I said before, the thread title is misleading.

Somebody had posted a while back also that if you open the camera app in low light, the FPS improve. So in other words, holding your hand over the light sensor and camera while opening up the camera app supposedly ups the fps slightly. I don't see much difference but people reported they too saw a difference.

w7excursion 03-10-2009 05:49 PM

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I never read the other thread so thats why I thanked this OP. Its not that big of a deal.

bugsy90 03-10-2009 05:52 PM

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i never read the other one either and it looks like I'm with the majority here...wish I knew about it a while ago though.

Deltatristar500 03-10-2009 06:46 PM

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Good find...thanks

mikey1234 03-10-2009 06:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknown Zone (Post 763648)
You cannot change the MP of the camera without phyical changing out the some hardware if your camera has a limit of 3.2M and you want it to capture 5M.....the ISO the article is stating is the speed that the shutter is taking the picture..ie faster fps less blur and so on.....which has nothing to do with uping the MP of the camera.


What you are referring to is the "Panoramic Photo" hack in the article.
It Quotes:
"By default the Fuze is set to an astonishing .67mp and with a simple cab file it goes up to 6.92mp. I just tested it out and my sample photo went from 85.5k to 799.2k in size which is the right direction:) "

HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/P3
Adjust MainCamCaptSize to 1024 and MainCamSupportCaptSize to 1744

oh. i was thinking that maybe the hardware was there, but it was just throttled, like my internet connection

bugsy90 03-10-2009 07:46 PM

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Here's a start at a consoldiated cab - I just need to add the brightness levels as default which I should have done shortly but you cna just do it manually anyway since that can be done without a registry editor. This cab contains the tweaks to remove the camera delay (from focused to taking the photo), enabling sport and burst modes, allowing for 7.2mp panoramic photos and disabling the shutter sound.
These are the value changes:
-HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\Captparam
CapKeyDelayTime" value="0" datatype="integer
CaptureTimer" value="0" datatype="integer
EnableCapKeyDelay" value="0" datatype="integer
DisableShutterSound" value="0" datatype="integer

HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\P6
Enable" value="1" datatype="integer

HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\P8
Enable" value="1" datatype="integer

HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\P3
MainCamCaptSize" value="1024" datatype="integer
MainCamSupportCaptSize" value="1744" datatype="integer


If anyone tests it please provide feedback. Thank you

Dr.8820 03-10-2009 07:56 PM

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i'll test it and post back...

dr g 03-11-2009 12:47 AM

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All this tweak does is (duh) underexpose the image by shortening the shutter speed. Basic photography but at the end you get an underexposed image. This is NOT the same as an ISO boost.

Now if you do a 'ghetto ISO boost' and raise the image levels with an editing program, then you have something truly similar, but that is another processing step (rather unweildy even on the TP).

Bottom line is you don't get something for nothing. But hey if you can live with underexposed images ...

ou2mame 03-11-2009 05:10 AM

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the camera kinda sucks. lowering the brightness may limit the blur, but thats only because there's less actual data in the picture. long story short, the lens on our camera is way too small for the mp. at wide open, its still limited in light. the flash isn't a flash, and the camera sensor is probably less sensitive than a disposable digital camera. literally. all this does is limit the actual data in the picture. the reason why the fps rises as a result of limiting the amount of data in the picture is preceicely that. the sensor can obviously only see a certain amount of data at its current lens opening, and limiting that raises the fps because there's less actual data in the picture. its like doing a benchmark of quake 3 in a dark room, compared to a room with action going on in it. of course the fps will be higher in the dark room, because there is nothing to slow it down. you could get 10000000fps if you walk yourself into a dark corner, but as soon as you turn around and watch the rocket fly towards you, the fps will drop to 10fps due to the fire and the glare on the surroundings that it provides.

dr g 03-11-2009 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ou2mame (Post 764753)
the camera kinda sucks. lowering the brightness may limit the blur, but thats only because there's less actual data in the picture. long story short, the lens on our camera is way too small for the mp. at wide open, its still limited in light. the flash isn't a flash, and the camera sensor is probably less sensitive than a disposable digital camera. literally. all this does is limit the actual data in the picture. the reason why the fps rises as a result of limiting the amount of data in the picture is preceicely that. the sensor can obviously only see a certain amount of data at its current lens opening, and limiting that raises the fps because there's less actual data in the picture. its like doing a benchmark of quake 3 in a dark room, compared to a room with action going on in it. of course the fps will be higher in the dark room, because there is nothing to slow it down. you could get 10000000fps if you walk yourself into a dark corner, but as soon as you turn around and watch the rocket fly towards you, the fps will drop to 10fps due to the fire and the glare on the surroundings that it provides.

Sorry but that's not correct and not a good analogy. It is simply a matter of a shorter shutter speed. While indeed you may lose some image data (i.e. tonality) because of the underexposure, the sensor is sending the same amount of information to the signal processors; a black pixel needs to be processed, just the same as one of any other color.

In a 3d rendered environment, the hardware is actually generating the image, so that is a different situation entirely; a camera captures an existing scene.

gimme5 03-11-2009 08:58 AM

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I didn't realize this was a fix, it's just in the settings. I lowered that setting on my TP very soon after trying the camera for the first time. Like with everything, I play with the settings.

For God's sake, guys, play with the settings!!! ;)

bugsy90 03-11-2009 09:30 AM

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There is no camera that never has a blur...under normal settings and even dim settings the Touch Pro can take photos without a blur though...that's all this is about - optimizing a setting that some people did not realize had such a big impact while seemingly such a small setting (it sounds like it would have a similar impact as saturation but really goes beyond that). Take a $1000 SLR and you can still get a blurry photo - the point is in routine settings there's no blur.

bugsy90 03-11-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chronster (Post 764921)
That's what this thread is about? Really? Because by your title you make it sound as though this thread is about eliminating the blur entirely.

Seriously, 39 thanks for telling someone about a setting that everyone found right away? LMFAO. I'm not being sour at you bugsy, it's just hilarious is all.

Hey, in case anyone has a problem with their volume, I found a solution:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...920#post764920

The blur is gone under normal conditions - I doubt anyone with half a brain thought that there is anything to eliminate the blur of a ANY camera in ALL circumstances.
Not sure what your fixation with the number of 'thanks' is...'Thanks' is monopoly money. I was just sharing some info that was novel to myself and clearly some other people...

gimme5 03-11-2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bugsy90 (Post 764956)
The blur is gone under normal conditions - I doubt anyone with half a brain thought that there is anything to eliminate the blur of a ANY camera in ALL circumstances.
Not sure what your fixation with the number of 'thanks' is...'Thanks' is monopoly money. I was just sharing some info that was novel to myself and clearly some other people...

And that's great. Obviously some people didn't know that setting improved the clarity of the pictures. The only real complaint is your title. First, it's not a "fix". Second, it doesn't remove the blur completely, it just makes the pictures better. Users who didn't know about this won't care, because they can take better pictures now. But those of us who already altered this setting on day one probably expected more.

I saw your title, clicked on the link, hoping to maybe get better pics by trying some new tweak...and my next thought was "what the...???".

If your title had been something like "Simple settings change to get better pics", nobody would have a problem with it. Anyway, no big deal, really :)

Hafrust 03-11-2009 01:26 PM

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We should do away with "Thanks" entirely.

CozBoogie 03-11-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hafrust (Post 765368)
We should do away with "Thanks" entirely.

I agree with Mr. Hafust's assessment...y'all need to chill on the "thanks" talk. If you needed please go to the Off Topic Section and post your concerns there.

The "thanks" system is there to be used as one sees fit...it needs to operate in the background and not be a big deal (kind of like an ump in baseball). I don't want the ump getting caught up in the action...the thanks system does not need to get pulled into simple discussions like this.

thanks,
Coz

gimme5 03-11-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hafrust (Post 765368)
We should do away with "Thanks" entirely.

To be honest, I wouldn't be opposed to that...

Unknown Zone 03-11-2009 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gimme5 (Post 765457)
To be honest, I wouldn't be opposed to that...

hate to highjack the thread to a "Thanks" topic

But I believe the Idea of the "Thanks" was to stop people from posting "thanks" and taking of space on a thread.....I have seen thread with pages of "thanks" with only a few pages of real info of the topic.

That is why I like the "Thanks"...it filters threads from becoming flooding with "thanks" posts.

All that need to be done is stop the counting of "Thanked" on members profiles.....then there will be no competition.

CozBoogie 03-11-2009 02:20 PM

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Let's get back on topic please.

late,
Coz

bujin 03-11-2009 03:49 PM

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Well, if someone posts a helpful tip, I'm wondering why folks bother criticizing based upon whether it's a "fix", a "setting", or a "helpful hint". I realize that folks may think they've wasted their valuable time clicking the link...but, let's face it, if you were doing anything important, you wouldn't be surfing a cell phone forum. ;)

Since I didn't know that this setting would make my pics clearer, it "fixes" a problem for me!

bradart 05-06-2009 09:04 PM

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This works more than decently on my diamond! I clicked thanks!

bradart 05-06-2009 09:20 PM

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This has also GREATLY improved the functionality of Barcorama. A must for anyone who uses the camera on a regular basis.

WanderingMinstrel 05-07-2009 04:33 PM

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It's an incredible fix. Simple and elegant. And it works perfectly on my TP/stock. I can finally trust the camera to do what cameras are supposed to do.

ripped407 06-28-2010 09:13 PM

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New here, but wish to spread thanx to you for the insight into fixing the crappy cam on the HTC TP2.. removing the delay helped dramatically. have not had the opportunity to take any daylight outdoor photos yet "typically takes better pictures in daylight conditions" but will indeed let you know my findings. Thanks again Bugsy90


Ripped407


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