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mabru2001 01-27-2009 01:31 PM

Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
OK big big problem with this dock.
I posted this in a few other threads but I wanted to make sure people were aware.
Did you Buy this dock?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63.../IMAGE_002.jpg

For some reason when I have it plugged into the wall to charge the extra battery slot and into my computer it feeds power back into my system!! WTF? There should be no connection between the two if the description of the item is correct.

"USB cable sync & charge phone ONLY. AC adapter charge 2nd battery ONLY."

But for some reason after I turn off my computer my PSU is lit up and my power light is on and so are my fans. Once I unplug it all the stuff shuts off. It took me a hour just to get my computer to turn back on after I figured it out. After discharging the system windows booted like molasses. Normal boot time 45seconds. After cheap dock 5minutes. I smell a lawsuit if my crap is fudged up. OK off to do some stress tests to see if anything is failing. People DO NOT BUY THAT DOCK. It is sold on Amazon and other places.

Using the dock and having it feed power back into your system is dangerous. My Computer cant sleep with it plugged in (it wakes up randomly) Also I have had my computer freeze randomly when plugging in or using other USB devices when the dock is plugged in. But every computer is different, Im just not taking any chances.


Edit: OK I opened it up and fixed the issue. Some stupid designer in china had a wire that jumped from the AC to the USB. SO I disconnected it and now it works like advertised. My phone charges and syncs with the Computer USB connection and the spare battery charges from AC. Picture follows.
YOU WILL LOOSE THE ABILITY TO CHARGE YOUR PHONE BY AC IF YOU DO THIS HACK
but since the dock was advertised without that feature it will be just fixing it to work as advertised.




WarChild 01-27-2009 01:44 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware)
 
Thanks for the heads up bro I was looking at this dock but no more. Thanks again, let us know how it turns out.

Genjinaro 01-27-2009 01:54 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware)
 
LOL, I think its a feature. (An unwanted feature)

It may do that to *keep a live connection with Sync/Outlook. :p

mabru2001 01-27-2009 02:12 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Solved, read OP

TProUserOnSprint 01-27-2009 03:01 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
I got a dock on eBay just for my bed side charger. I'll check mine and report back. It's a different model.

WarChild 01-27-2009 03:08 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
thats awesome that you fixed it, we responded befor you hacked it. think ill still stay away from this cradle.

WarChild 01-27-2009 03:10 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
by the way was this divice UL listed?

blasphemous_prime 01-27-2009 05:29 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Wait a second... This looks like a dock for the GSM Touch Pro, and I dunno if this could be related to any kind of certain default voltage settings, but if it's European, it's supposed to be in an outlet that supports about 230 volts. Our region's outlets support about 115 volts for example.

gator352 01-27-2009 05:43 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
I have the dock from expansys and a sprint TP. Works great! Although it doesn't charge an extra batt but oh well, it still looks cool!

gator352 01-27-2009 05:48 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
2 Attachment(s)
here's some pics.

DomSim 01-27-2009 06:47 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
that "stupid pointless part" is a diode. it is designed to prevent back feeding. it only lets current flow in one direction. the diode may have failed or may be forward biased instead of reversed. it is probably fixable to function correctly without loosing the ac charging.

mabru2001 01-27-2009 07:25 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blasphemous_prime (Post 671369)
Wait a second... This looks like a dock for the GSM Touch Pro, and I dunno if this could be related to any kind of certain default voltage settings, but if it's European, it's supposed to be in an outlet that supports about 230 volts. Our region's outlets support about 115 volts for example.

its a US plug

mabru2001 01-27-2009 07:27 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DomSim (Post 671559)
that "stupid pointless part" is a diode. it is designed to prevent back feeding. it only lets current flow in one direction. the diode may have failed or may be forward biased instead of reversed. it is probably fixable to function correctly without loosing the ac charging.

Im not the only one who had the power back feed with this dock. But ill see what happens with the replacement, if it works ill just solder the wire back on this one and send it back.

darnell 01-27-2009 11:29 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
So never mind this defective dock, what's a good dock with 2nd battery charger to get? I'd like one that has a high capacity charger. (> 1000mAH)

WarChild 01-28-2009 12:51 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darnell (Post 672295)
So never mind this defective dock, what's a good dock with 2nd battery charger to get? I'd like one that has a high capacity charger. (> 1000mAH)


there are threads for that discussion. this inst it.

darnell 01-28-2009 01:00 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandWheeler (Post 673320)
there are threads for that discussion. this inst it.

Yea I've read some of those, still trying to find a good dock though. I can't say possibly bringing up suitable alternatives to the defective dock is something I see being off topic. It would only help those who would rather have something else that performs similar function.

WarChild 01-28-2009 01:06 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41805

There arnt a lot of "good" anythings out for this phone in my opinion but this is where this should be discussed if you don't see what you like in there then you can ask. Not trying to be rude its just that there alot of threads that get off topic, this one is about this perticullar dock being a pice of crap and how he fixed it. thanks!

mabru2001 01-28-2009 01:32 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandWheeler (Post 673358)
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41805

There arnt a lot of "good" anythings out for this phone in my opinion but this is where this should be discussed if you don't see what you like in there then you can ask. Not trying to be rude its just that there alot of threads that get off topic, this one is about this perticullar dock being a pice of crap and how he fixed it. thanks!

"Fixed" is such a strong word. I prefer "remedied the problem".

SkidMarx 03-01-2009 09:36 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Which unit are we talking about here?

We didn't see it listed anywhere.

Thanks

darnell 03-01-2009 10:48 PM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
The dock I ordered finally came in. It does not look like the one pictured there on Elitextreme.com, it looks JUST LIKE the one Mabru2001 had. I have not had a single problem out of it. Perhaps they resolved whatever issues there might have been. Because my order was delayed for weeks while they waited to get some in stock.

JimSmith94 03-02-2009 12:28 AM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mabru2001 (Post 671638)
Im not the only one who had the power back feed with this dock. But ill see what happens with the replacement, if it works ill just solder the wire back on this one and send it back.

Did you ever get your replacement docking station? I have the same one and have been waiting for your resolution before doing anything to mine.

ruskiyab 03-02-2009 12:44 AM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DomSim (Post 671559)
that "stupid pointless part" is a diode. it is designed to prevent back feeding. it only lets current flow in one direction. the diode may have failed or may be forward biased instead of reversed. it is probably fixable to function correctly without loosing the ac charging.

Funny thing is, is when I read the post before looking at the pictures, I thought to myself "Why not just throw a diode in there instead of a direct connection, that way it won't feed back" Just like you said though, they may have had it reverse biased

mabru2001 03-02-2009 02:22 AM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JimSmith94 (Post 747516)
Did you ever get your replacement docking station? I have the same one and have been waiting for your resolution before doing anything to mine.

Yeah got the replacement and it did the same thing. I suggest just disconnecting the wire. I have been happy with the way it works. I can charge a battery with the computer off over night, and charge my phone next to my bed with the original charger. But then also be able to charge my phone while i am working on the computer... I really have no reason to charge my phone when im not by my computer.

mabru2001 03-02-2009 02:24 AM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ruskiyab (Post 747546)
Funny thing is, is when I read the post before looking at the pictures, I thought to myself "Why not just throw a diode in there instead of a direct connection, that way it won't feed back" Just like you said though, they may have had it reverse biased

IDK and I really don't care because I am enjoying the way it is working... the damn blue light is annoying and it is on all the time when the wire is connected. Its pretty damn weird that all the diodes are backwards.

cd85233 03-02-2009 02:58 AM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Have you thought that it might be a computer issue...well I guess you did because you said "Every computer is different..." but I know with my computer I have an option in the BIOS to affect my computer when it is asleep. Meaning, that it can be woken up from sleep if I click on my USB mouse, or if I unplug my external hardrive. Change your BIOS setting, if you have one, and see if that allows you to use the dock.

From what it sounds, the diode should have stopped the feedback...Plus, Windows will tell you if there is a power issue with your USB. I have mine tell me that I had a power surge, and that the port was disabled or something.

Just giving my 2/100 of a dollar.

-CD

codybear 06-21-2009 03:19 AM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mabru2001 (Post 747766)
IDK and I really don't care because I am enjoying the way it is working... the damn blue light is annoying and it is on all the time when the wire is connected. Its pretty damn weird that all the diodes are backwards.

haha, some one was dislexic (sp?)
but that blue light is annoying haha.
I just don't have it plugged into a wall plug.
and I covered the blue light with black electrical tape and just have the clear stylus type thing taped to the dock for now. haha.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cd85233 (Post 747810)
Have you thought that it might be a computer issue...well I guess you did because you said "Every computer is different..." but I know with my computer I have an option in the BIOS to affect my computer when it is asleep. Meaning, that it can be woken up from sleep if I click on my USB mouse, or if I unplug my external hardrive. Change your BIOS setting, if you have one, and see if that allows you to use the dock.

From what it sounds, the diode should have stopped the feedback...Plus, Windows will tell you if there is a power issue with your USB. I have mine tell me that I had a power surge, and that the port was disabled or something.

Just giving my 2/100 of a dollar.

-CD

so if I do plug this into the wall also, and it starts to feed back to the pc,
it will tell me taht it's feeding back?
I have an older dell dimension 8250 running xp...

Oditius 06-21-2009 07:26 AM

Re: Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) "SOLVED"
 
Now here is a hoot, I have that charger I bought it off eBay. I don't care for the part that hooks to the computer. And I had one like that for my 6800 Mogul and my Blackberry. And as long as the AC was plugged in, I never got it to sync anyways, I would have to unplug it from the wall to sync. I think one of the chargers stated that if it was plugged in to AC it will not sync. But not sure which one said that. (As I always toss out the manual, if you can call that little piece of paper a "manual") I have a laptop and my USB ports are off in sleep mode anyway. I just use the sync cable I have and sync the info together.


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