Touch Pro Video output format?
 

Did a search, and besides the 'will have video output but you need the cable' I was unable to find the answer.
Does anyone know the TYPE of video the Touch Pro will output? For me, the ideal answer would be vga (the cable, not the resolution, like a computer monitor input) so it could go directly to a projector. It will probably be composite video though because there are only 11 pins on the usb connector. Although they would then have to be concerned about different video standards for different countries.
This would be the ultimate VGA cable/projector tester at work for me if it's 15 pin VGA output.
Might even be able to write it off as a tool. ;)

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I would be extremely shocked if it's VGA, honestly. The primary market for doing this is, I assume, to hook up to a television, so they'd go with the lowest common denominator: composite.

That said, with this day and age of DVI-I/HDMI, it's not impossible for them to go with something that could pin-out to that, which of course can then become component, VGA, DVI-D, or HDMI. But I think the processing for that would be too intensive.

What sort of projector do you have? All the projectors I use (primarily Epson PowerLites) have composite inputs in addition to VGA and others.

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Well, I work at a convention center doing (among other things) AV setup. A VGA output would enable me to test the connection between the lectern computer and the projector. We use VGA at 1024x768 as standard on multiple brands of projectors. While I in no way expect that resolution, even 640x480 would enable me to test that all the colors work.
Anything between epson's and sanyo's up to Barco's and Christie's. Though more often that not we use cat5 or fiber for the big boys.
A VGA out would save me carrying a VGA tester or Laptop to each room.
How convieniant would that be?

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Sounds extremely convenient, and I'm with you. In IT, it's amazing how many of my toys come in handy for testing (I pull out my Zune when testing audio issues, my microSD card and SD/USB adapter for reprogramming Treos, etc.), so I'm completely with you on how useful that would be. Sadly I'm not optimistic that your need will be met. It's just too niche, and with composite being everywhere, and DVI/HDMI taking over as the easiest high-end format, I suspect we'll see less and less support for VGA.

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My bet would be on component instead of composite seems the world is moving to component style instead of composite

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There's nothing component can do that composite can't when you consider the limitations of the Touch Pro (640x480), and the disadvantages of component (five connections instead of three, connections are only on the BACK of TVs, the majority of TVs still don't have this connection [remember, HDTVs are still in a minority of homes]) clearly cancel out the every-so-slightly-improved color fidelity of component. Anyway, the world's really NOT moving to component, the world's moving to HDMI. Component was a stop-gap analog solution that was just barely catching on when HDMI appeared and rendered it obsolete. Unless you have a game system like an early Xbox 360 or a Wii, there's really very little that uses component that can't also use the superior HDMI. Component's just still around for the older stopgap TVs.

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I think it'll be composite as well. It just seems the most cost effective, plus, like said above, people will mainly be connecting them to their TV's.

I'm almost certain they wouldn't do HDMI. It would take too much processing power. I'd also assume it would drive costs up a bit. HDMI has the capability of outputting 1GB per second, which is WAYYYY above what a PPC would need.

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To be fair, they don't necessarily need to max out the capabilities of HDMI for this. They don't need to use the full bandwidth of the cable, and in theory it wouldn't take anything special to process HDMI at only 640x480, since it's just a digital DVI signal. That said, I still agree it would be unlikely overkill.

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RIght now...I can't wait til a PPC needs something like that. :)

Even though it is quite a few years off.

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i want hdmi so i figure that wont happen.

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Won't the Diamond have similar output?

I have a diamond coming in the mail, and I may open it up and look.

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Nope, that's one of the functions that separates the Diamond from the Pro.

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The HTC website says this:

"Built-in Wi-Fi and TV-out functionality* mean you can hook up to the local wireless hot spot to surf, then deliver the perfect PowerPoint® presentation without a laptop in sight."

To me that implies some kind of digital output (dvi/vga). I suppose most projectors have analog inputs as well though, so who knows. Unfortunately, composite seems like the most likely choice by far.

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If I had to guess before, I would have said HDMI, but after reading your posts, I could see it being composite. I can still hope for HDMI, though.

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VGA is analog, not digital. It specifically says TV-out, so why does that make you think digital? The vast majority of TVs still have no digital inputs, and since they phone can only do 640x480, lowest common denominator makes the most sense. And yeah, every projector I've ever seen has VGA, so they all do some form of analog. But since they specifically don't mention projectors, that may be a sign that they're not comfortable suggesting it'll work with all projectors. Composite, though, will work with every TV but the oldest.

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That's true, don't know why I was thinking VGA was digital. Oops.

Why do you think the native resolution of the phone would be the cap for output as well though? I don't see any reason it would need to be.

I agree composite makes the most sense though. Since it says TV-out, you're right that it would have to be an NTSC/PAL signal. The bit about the PPT presentations just had me thinking in terms of a computer signal. I'd still like to see DVI, but its not likely I guess.

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To be fair, it is an assumption, but I think an educated one. No other mobile device that I'm aware of (Creative Zen Vision: M, iPod, iPhone, Zune, Dell Axim X51v, etc.) outputs more than 640x480. Add to that how big a deal it was to get this device to that level, and how much extra work it takes for it to process four times the resolution of the more common devices, and I just think it's extremely unlikely that it'll output more than that. Also, I'm not sure WM6.1 supports higher resolutions than 640x480, although I may be wrong about that. Just all-in-all, I see nothing to remotely suggest it'll be capable of more than that. Would I like it to be? Of course. I just think it's a pipe dream.

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To dispell some rumors, VGA in this context is referring to the resolution (640x480), and has nothing to do with it being digital/analog. Plenty of digital displays/outputs boast 'vga' resolution. Also, 1024x768 is NOT VGA , this is XGA. As for the output, hdmi is certainly not to be expected. The pins required for this definitely exceed the number of available pins on the port on the bottom of the phone (which htc has already said will be where the output comes from). On top of this, do you really expect HDMI output on a cell phone when many pieces of A/V equiptment still do not include this output? To top it all off the T-Mobile MDA Vario IV is reported to use composite output and is considered the first model/variant of this phone.

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I think that since HTC is using the USBext port for everything, the video out will be in the form of an adapter in the USB port. I read in another review that the likelihood of being able to use that adapter in the Diamond is going to be useless, because even though they're technically the same, it may be some "secret" code embedded in the Touch Pro. (which also theoretically means that too can be reversed by the dev community)

Since video out is considered to be something relatively new within the mobile phone technology, it most likely will be USB to RCA (yellow) or S-Video. Just because, its by far, the most cheapest and economical option for the company. Think about it, there intentions are for you to be able to use it as a entertainment convince, not to be your main source of media. Situations include, being late for a presentation and instead of waiting for the laptop to power up, you just plug in the phone and can still essentially accomplish the same thing. I'm sure, they want you to use it alot, but not rip your DVDs and put them on your card and expect to play it back in HD or close to HD resolution. (essentially talking the role of a portable DVR)

Remember that HTC is a corporation, and like every business, they're in it for one thing, to make money, if they put in either component, VGA, DVI or any other high-bandwidth interface as an output I/O, what are they going to do next? That would kinda be the pinnacle for output I/O and this is like I stated earlier, a relativity new concept for mobile devices.

I hate to even use this as an example but take APPLE iPhone3G, they know what there doing, they didn't put video calling (among 3G, and other things) in the 1st gen iPhone, so people were VERY anxious about that feature in the next model. Once the actual specs came out in the keynote and it was confirmed that the 3G iPhone wouldn't contain a front facing video camera, some people were upset but its something to hold them out till they get the exact model they want, with all the RIGHT features for them. Apple, along with every other phone manufacture, plays the classic game of "not laying all your cards out on the table" Otherwise we'll be able to customize every aspect of a phone, just like we can do to a laptop or desktop. (ex, adding more ram, rom, optional SD card slot, and so on). Making it a truly personal phone, then you wouldn't need another one for a VERY long time.

WHEWWW!!!!! Sorry for the long post........ just trying to get my thoughts out of my head and onto my fingers.........hehe

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FYI: http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a...t=news&id=5455

shows composite output with audio cables

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Not to mention DVI/VGA on a PPC would require a bulky adapter seeing that there are only 11 Pins in a HTC USB connector.

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it's going to be a total video/audio RCA output... yellow/red/white

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whatever happened with that M$ commercial a year or so ago that showed a guy playing with his phone/pda on the plane then walked into a meeting, set his phone down by the projector and wirelessly showed his PowerPoint on the projector???

;; I tried looking for the vid on youtube, but no luck.

edit, maybe that was irda?

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It's gonna have a cga output :D and have an MFM harddrive to sd adapter.
:D :D XP

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has anyone been able to find the tv out cable for sale anywhere?

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A bunch of people pre-ordered it. I think from Expansys.

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I have built a cable and the pins available are composite output only. With that all pins are now spoken for. Any further adapters, such as to VGA, would need to work through the data channel of the USB pins.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41973

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I found this pic

http://i.expansys.com/i/b/b170917.jpg

Whether or not they make a more advanced one down the line is anybody's guess

EDIT: Wow, this video is pretty cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WURkohx3ja4

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i will post a tutorial and pics tommorrow on how to build a cable from the mogul adapter which was usb and 2.5mm pretty easy only problem i have is a little noise from audio but if i ground the ground to the shielding in the cable it goes away

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hey thanx for that, hopefully the touch came with the same cable your talking about converting. i'd definatley rather build one than buy one :-p