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BlackDynamite 10-29-2009 11:20 AM

CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
So I just got the Sprint version of the Touch Pro 2. Much to my surprise, it is lacking some functionality of its GSM counterpart.

#1: The Sprint dialer screen has a "Hold" button where the GSM version has an "Add Call" button. It sure was nice being able to instantly and easily conference in 1 or more other parties into a call.

#2: Bing and Google Maps can't instantly detect my position on this Sprint version the way they do on the GSM version. If I go into settings and use GPS to get the location, I have to wait a few minutes for the GPS to locate me. On the GSM version it finds you (presumably by using the cell towers) within about 5 seconds of you opening the app. The "Locate Me" option in Bing is actually greyed out when installing it on the Sprint Touch Pro 2. Is there any way to get this functionality?

#3: This one is not as big of a deal, but the weather app doesn't know where I am. On the GSM version, the weather sets itself to the correct city automatically. You can add another city if you like, but it automatically picks up your current city. I don't care about this one too much, but it would be nice. The other 2 (no "Add Call" and no "Locate Me") are borderline deal breakers for me.

Are these limitations just part of the Sprint ROM, or are they limitations of the CDMA technology itself? If this is a limitation of CDMA itself, then that is a major dissapointment to me. In fact, had I know about this beforehand I probably would have never left AT&T for Sprint. I got caught up in the cheaper pricing, and saw the Sprint version had a 3.5mm jack, but I wasn't aware I would have to give up my Bing/Google Maps and conference calling.

If this is a limitation in CDMA itself, then how on earth can anyone claim this is better than GSM? And also, if this is a limitation of CDMA itself, does anyone know what I would need to do in order to reverse this and port my numbers back to AT&T? Is that even possible or would I have to open a new account? Or if I port to T-Mobile, how long do i have to wait for Sprint to give me a refund on the 4 Touch Pro 2's I just bought?

I guess not too many people have owned the GSM version and the CDMA version, so you don't really see posts mentioning this stuff before you buy the CDMA version. After using the GSM version for several months, I don't know if I can give these features up.

EGOvoruhk 10-29-2009 11:25 AM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
2.) Google Maps find me in a few seconds. Have you run Quick GPS?

BlackDynamite 10-29-2009 11:31 AM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EGOvoruhk (Post 1274849)
2.) Google Maps find me in a few seconds. Have you run Quick GPS?

Yes, I've run quick gps. But that is my point- on the GSM version you don't have to run quick gps. You can be in a basement and if you open Bing it finds you instantly. I'm pretty sure it uses cell tower data.

Obviously for turn by turn directions or something you want as GPS lock. But if you are just trying to find out what movies are currently playing in your area, or traffic conditions in your area, or whatever- cell tower location data is fine for that, and much faster than a GPS lock.

There just has to be some way to make it work. If Sprint's family locator (or whatever it's called) workd, then there has to be a way to make Bing work too...

By the way, Bing is 100x better than Google maps. You should try it sometime. It sucks having to use the GPS to get located, but it has more features than Google Maps.

Adrianh85 10-29-2009 11:31 AM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg (Post 1274839)
So I just got the Sprint version of the Touch Pro 2. Much to my surprise, it is lacking some functionality of its GSM counterpart.

#1: The Sprint dialer screen has a "Hold" button where the GSM version has an "Add Call" button. It sure was nice being able to instantly and easily conference in 1 or more other parties into a call.

#2: Bing and Google Maps can't instantly detect my position on this Sprint version the way they do on the GSM version. If I go into settings and use GPS to get the location, I have to wait a few minutes for the GPS to locate me. On the GSM version it finds you (presumably by using the cell towers) within about 5 seconds of you opening the app. The "Locate Me" option in Bing is actually greyed out when installing it on the Sprint Touch Pro 2. Is there any way to get this functionality?

#3: This one is not as big of a deal, but the weather app doesn't know where I am. On the GSM version, the weather sets itself to the correct city automatically. You can add another city if you like, but it automatically picks up your current city. I don't care about this one too much, but it would be nice. The other 2 (no "Add Call" and no "Locate Me") are borderline deal breakers for me.

Are these limitations just part of the Sprint ROM, or are they limitations of the CDMA technology itself? If this is a limitation of CDMA itself, then that is a major dissapointment to me. In fact, had I know about this beforehand I probably would have never left AT&T for Sprint. I got caught up in the cheaper pricing, and saw the Sprint version had a 3.5mm jack, but I wasn't aware I would have to give up my Bing/Google Maps and conference calling.

If this is a limitation in CDMA itself, then how on earth can anyone claim this is better than GSM? And also, if this is a limitation of CDMA itself, does anyone know what I would need to do in order to reverse this and port my numbers back to AT&T? Is that even possible or would I have to open a new account? Or if I port to T-Mobile, how long do i have to wait for Sprint to give me a refund on the 4 Touch Pro 2's I just bought?

I guess not too many people have owned the GSM version and the CDMA version, so you don't really see posts mentioning this stuff before you buy the CDMA version. After using the GSM version for several months, I don't know if I can give these features up.

i have the verizon verison and google map and live search finds me in seconds first the agps then the gps kicks in!!

cdma is said the be limited to only 3 way calls hence conferance calls like the gsm verison was cut down!

pimpsuprazx 10-29-2009 11:41 AM

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It may be missing features to you. But I like the fact I have the option of having both GSM and CDMA. Oh yea, and 3.5mm HEADPHONE JACK

techSage 10-29-2009 11:42 AM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg (Post 1274861)
Yes, I've run quick gps. But that is my point- on the GSM version you don't have to run quick gps. You can be in a basement and if you open Bing it finds you instantly. I'm pretty sure it uses cell tower data.

QuickGPS only has to be run once a week at most if you do it manually as the data is good for a week, but you can set it up to update automatically, too.

By using QuickGPS to get the data at once, you have the advantage that if there is no signal when you go to get a GPS lock, it won't matter because you already have the data whereas aGPS would take longer in that situation.

Beandogg 10-29-2009 11:45 AM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EGOvoruhk (Post 1274849)
2.) Google Maps find me in a few seconds. Have you run Quick GPS?

Quote:

Originally Posted by techSage (Post 1274906)
QuickGPS only has to be run once a week at most if you do it manually as the data is good for a week, but you can set it up to update automatically, too.

By using QuickGPS to get the data at once, you have the advantage that if there is no signal when you go to get a GPS lock, it won't matter because you already have the data whereas aGPS would take longer in that situation.

+1 Google Maps is instantaneous, inside and outside

Darkness231 10-29-2009 11:51 AM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg (Post 1274839)
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#3: This one is not as big of a deal, but the weather app doesn't know where I am. On the GSM version, the weather sets itself to the correct city automatically. You can add another city if you like, but it automatically picks up your current city. I don't care about this one too much, but it would be nice. The other 2 (no "Add Call" and no "Locate Me") are borderline deal breakers for me


This is part of the manila build that is on the phone. I had a custom ROM on my sprint TP that auto found the weather via tower info

briggs 10-29-2009 11:53 AM

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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=91898

see that.

gibwar 10-29-2009 11:54 AM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
I don't know about #1 and #3 but with my Sprint TP2 Google Maps located me within "200 meters" of my current location, and I'm in a basement of an old building that hardly gets any cell reception. It never got a full GPS lock (obviously) but it used AGPS just fine.

Rafy0003 10-29-2009 11:59 AM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
It will take about 45 days for a refund if you cancel your Sprint account as well. They mail the check out to you after 45 days of cancellation.

xenokira 10-29-2009 12:05 PM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
For #2. In Google Maps (and Garmin for that matter) my GPS kicks in within just a few seconds my activating it. For just looking up stuff in the area, Google Maps seems to successfully triangulate my location on the cell towers (GPS disabled) to 4700m..which is a ways, but it works for a very rough approximation for my location.

I'm (obviously) using stock ROM and no extra software other than Google Maps & QuickGPS

Malatesta 10-29-2009 12:26 PM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
For Google Maps, Advanced Forward Link Trilateration (AFLT) works fine on the Sprint version. This is not aGPS/GPS but cell tower triangulation and it works instantly and accuratley on the Touch Pro 2, Snap, Treo Pro and Intrepid. I have never seen AFLT work on CDMA and Bing though. Must have to do with the API & Sprint.

As others have mentioned, the weather/GPS thing is coming with Manilla 2.5+ and may be in our WM6.5 update.

Add caller is not there b/c CDMA conference calls are limited to 3 parties.

At least our weather shows up in the calendar, unlike AT&Ts , we have 3.5mm jack and world-phone ability (CDMA + GSM) ;-)

BlackDynamite 10-29-2009 12:47 PM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
Okay, so after some checking I guess Google Maps does work. I just figured it wouldn't because the weather and Bing didn't.

All of you guys using Google Maps, can you see if Bing also works? Because Bing is way, WAY better than Google Maps. If only 1 of them work, I'd much rather it be Bing than Google Maps. Maybe there is some setting somewhere that I am missing?

Mr. X 10-29-2009 12:58 PM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg (Post 1274839)
So I just got the Sprint version of the Touch Pro 2. Much to my surprise, it is lacking some functionality of its GSM counterpart.

#1: The Sprint dialer screen has a "Hold" button where the GSM version has an "Add Call" button. It sure was nice being able to instantly and easily conference in 1 or more other parties into a call.

#2: Bing and Google Maps can't instantly detect my position on this Sprint version the way they do on the GSM version. If I go into settings and use GPS to get the location, I have to wait a few minutes for the GPS to locate me. On the GSM version it finds you (presumably by using the cell towers) within about 5 seconds of you opening the app. The "Locate Me" option in Bing is actually greyed out when installing it on the Sprint Touch Pro 2. Is there any way to get this functionality?

#3: This one is not as big of a deal, but the weather app doesn't know where I am. On the GSM version, the weather sets itself to the correct city automatically. You can add another city if you like, but it automatically picks up your current city. I don't care about this one too much, but it would be nice. The other 2 (no "Add Call" and no "Locate Me") are borderline deal breakers for me.

Are these limitations just part of the Sprint ROM, or are they limitations of the CDMA technology itself? If this is a limitation of CDMA itself, then that is a major dissapointment to me. In fact, had I know about this beforehand I probably would have never left AT&T for Sprint. I got caught up in the cheaper pricing, and saw the Sprint version had a 3.5mm jack, but I wasn't aware I would have to give up my Bing/Google Maps and conference calling.

If this is a limitation in CDMA itself, then how on earth can anyone claim this is better than GSM? And also, if this is a limitation of CDMA itself, does anyone know what I would need to do in order to reverse this and port my numbers back to AT&T? Is that even possible or would I have to open a new account? Or if I port to T-Mobile, how long do i have to wait for Sprint to give me a refund on the 4 Touch Pro 2's I just bought?

I guess not too many people have owned the GSM version and the CDMA version, so you don't really see posts mentioning this stuff before you buy the CDMA version. After using the GSM version for several months, I don't know if I can give these features up.

1) thats a GSM feature, CDMA networks dont support conference calling like they do so its a mute point to add this.

2)Google maps will be included and gps works fine in any custom rom, mine is a gsm port of 6.5 :)

3) you're referring to sense UI, and this will also be included in custom roms such as mine.

chronster 10-29-2009 01:19 PM

Re: CDMA version missing features? Anyway to add these features from the GSM version?
 
It is a shame that there needs to be these differences though. Will 4g eliminate a lot of these, or will it not change a thing?


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