HTC PRO 2 Proper 2d/3d Drivers

[jethro_static]

That's a good point. I think U should post in the introductions 1st. JK. I think Ur an old a member then change made a username huh? LOL

I'm gonna watch on the sidelines. If ex comes out with bogus infos again, I wil join again. but everyone has a great info on the topic except 1. Y'all keep it coming.

[gTen]

The problem with the license is its a bit more "complicated"...

From what I can remember HTC did release rom update for the Tytn II which included the drivers, but did not include it in the AT&T Tilt (from now on tis all *guess* work) which is same device, this may mean the the license on the drivers may have limitations like per country/distributor and etc...aka if a TP2 came out in 4 carriers, they may need 4 separate licenses. Also I think the drivers did not work natively on the AT&T tilt either but were token apart and helped develop drivers on xda.

HTC probably buys the MSM7XXX series because they are cheap and Qualcomm probably makes most of its money on the license.

But at this point the ATI Imageon is nothing that impressive and with introduction of snapdragon, I cant see why HTC can't convince Qualcomm to discount the license to the drivers.

And there is my rambling on the licensing issue >.>

[MordyT]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

Oh, My bad coz mr ex overthere said his 1gran rig will blow PS3 out of the water. LMAO.

My point as well. All I'm saying is even though we have the drivers, It will just push the devices capabilities to a certain limit. It will not be a super phone.

Sure its nice to have the drivers. thats is why a lot voted yes. But lack of that drivers won't keep HTC from selling a lot of those. It just means that some people dont even know that the drivers are missing and happy with their devices.

For some of us, like ex, drivers are a good enough reason to stop buying from HTC. And noone wants a superphone (well i do) but they want a device that preforms as its supposed it. And we need drivers.

Originally Posted by Exil3d

You must cross grass hopper! I was a die hard XP fan and sweared by it. I have been beta testing W7 for over 2 months now and I have converted! Vistas problems are completely gone and in some aspects.. you get a bit better performance on W7 than XP Pro.

back on topic.

i love w7 but am still using xp on my main machine. 7 on my backup. probolly gonna convert to 7 when microsoft gives me my copies - part of the feedback program.

cu all later

[fxacur]

Originally Posted by gTen

The problem with the license is its a bit more "complicated"...

From what I can remember HTC did release rom update for the Tytn II which included the drivers, but did not include it in the AT&T Tilt (from now on tis all *guess* work) which is same device, this may mean the the license on the drivers may have limitations like per country/distributor and etc...aka if a TP2 came out in 4 carriers, they may need 4 separate licenses. Also I think the drivers did not work natively on the AT&T tilt either but were token apart and helped develop drivers on xda.

HTC probably buys the MSM7XXX series because they are cheap and Qualcomm probably makes most of its money on the license.

But at this point the ATI Imageon is nothing that impressive and with introduction of snapdragon, I cant see why HTC can't convince Qualcomm to discount the license to the drivers.

And there is my rambling on the licensing issue >.>

Yeap ... I have hear that cellular bussness are like that... shame ... also i dont think the ATI Imageon is a great, comparing it with what is comming (tegra.. as I dont think snapdragon is going to have 3d drivers again.. they may stumble with the same type of licence that the MSM7xxx have)...
Also Shame on Microsoft for not trying to force a minimun user experience... (that may change with WM7) 3d drivers my be are requirement.. but for now we are stuck with crippled hardware...

I am trying to decide if i go with the omnia II or the TP2 ... but it is realy dificult the only points that the onmina have that i want is the 3d aceleration and AMOLED) ...

Have any of you tryed the 3d drivers (last version) and tryed some 3d programs like tomtom, igo or garmin and see if there is some improvement ?

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by MordyT

For some of us, like ex, drivers are a good enough reason to stop buying from HTC. And noone wants a superphone (well i do) but they want a device that preforms as its supposed it. And we need drivers.

Ex reasons are different. He thinks that when the driver is released, TP2 will match Iphone 3gs 3d/2d abilities. The facts are there. I posted it. It cannot happen. He is concerned about scrolling on explorer having page tear. 6.5 does not have that. Anyways, when the official 6.5 comes out for TP2, I dont see a reason why people should stick to 6.1
Does TP2 not performing as it should right now?

[gTen]

I don't think they are gonna cripple the snapdragon like that because then Tegra would get a lead...I think the issue lies in the GPU being owned by ATI(as far as architecture and drivers) theoretically, so it may have something to do with it. Again this is all a guess.


Also, Windows Mobile 7 will kinda have a minimum requirement similar to Vista.

My advice to you is this, set your priorities on what you want and need.

To me my priorities would be like this:

1. Good Keyboard

2. No overheating issue on wifi

3. Enough ram and etc to actually function

4. Drivers (both wouldn't hurt but mostly 2d)

5. GSM compatibility

This would be my "basic" chart..it would be a bit more complex in reality..but this would show why drivers or not my choice is the TP2.

You need to decide what is important to you

[fxacur]

Originally Posted by gTen

I don't think they are gonna cripple the snapdragon like that because then Tegra would get a lead...I think the issue lies in the GPU being owned by ATI(as far as architecture and drivers) theoretically, so it may have something to do with it. Again this is all a guess.


Also, Windows Mobile 7 will kinda have a minimum requirement similar to Vista.

My advice to you is this, set your priorities on what you want and need.

To me my priorities would be like this:

1. Good Keyboard

2. No overheating issue on wifi

3. Enough ram and etc to actually function

4. Drivers (both wouldn't hurt but mostly 2d)

5. GSM compatibility

This would be my "basic" chart..it would be a bit more complex in reality..but this would show why drivers or not my choice is the TP2.

You need to decide what is important to you

Yeap .. I know... also my choise would be a TP2 (thats why i am posting here) also comunity support on xda and ppcgeeks are/seems great...

I have not found much info on how much its gonna affect me (As i cant find much info on actual performance). I do want at least equal performance to the Axim... (it's an 5 years old device one would at least expect the same performance....)

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by gTen

I don't think they are gonna cripple the snapdragon like that because then Tegra would get a lead...I think the issue lies in the GPU being owned by ATI(as far as architecture and drivers) theoretically, so it may have something to do with it. Again this is all a guess.


Also, Windows Mobile 7 will kinda have a minimum requirement similar to Vista.

My advice to you is this, set your priorities on what you want and need.

To me my priorities would be like this:

1. Good Keyboard

2. No overheating issue on wifi

3. Enough ram and etc to actually function

4. Drivers (both wouldn't hurt but mostly 2d)

5. GSM compatibility

This would be my "basic" chart..it would be a bit more complex in reality..but this would show why drivers or not my choice is the TP2.

You need to decide what is important to you

I agree they won't cripple snapdragon. If they do, they are completely defeating the purpose of why Snapdragon is developed.

[fxacur]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

I agree they won't cripple snapdragon. If they do, they are completely defeating the purpose of why Snapdragon is developed.

Well... I do agree that it makes no sense to cripple snapdragon, BUT I saw the videos and coments on Tosh TG01, coments on 3d and interface was that it were sluggis...

Also we do not know the power consumption on tegra vs snapdragon ... But I think snapdragon have a big advantage as it is more integrated, but they may be for diferent marquets... I dont know how HTC or other company is planning his future roadmap.. but tegra looks more plausible to a multimedia oriented marquet and snapdragon to a business type of people...on wich they may not care about 3d render/drivers as long they have a smooth interface...

And I think smartphones like the TP2 seems more oriented to business people.. ... (meaning we may only see snapdragon on it) (any way it would be a huge step from the MSM7xxx series)

[redz1234]

lots of great posts on here with great information...

1. my first comment is ex is an ignorant kid.. for every thread I read so far with your name attached to it I had to close the thread and move on..

2. ops should have left this thread closed

3. would i like drivers? yes... would drivers not coming out stop me from buying a TP2? no, because I bought one already...

like someone else said... you buy a phone for your options.. playing games and video's on my phone is the last thing I do on my phone.. I have a psp/ds for that with dedicated d-pad...

4 ex mentioned this site multiple times... http://htcclassaction.org/

i browsed this site to see what he was talking about and too my surprise there's no updates since February 14, 2008... If this issue was so pressing and could be fought in anyway I guarantee a lawyer would have picked up this case... Watch late night tv, grab one of those lawyers at least.. But yet nuttin...

Update February 14, 2008: After a good initial start, it seems the US pointman has abandoned us...

5 ex, my advice for you is I hope you come to realize that YES, htc hasnt released the drivers but geez... give yourself a break... you keep fighting an issue thats not going to change....


- ReDz