how much better is the TP2
 

So I am coming off an HTC TP and thinking about going to a TP2. I am not sure as to if they are anyway alike as in features or how they run. I didn't like how over time the TP became very sluggish and non responsive. There were a lot of random freeze ups and it wasn't because i was using too many applications, plus the video messaging was absolutely terrible from the beginning and never really could send/receive pics and such. All in all i was wondering if it would be a better upgrade or would i be dealing with these kinds of issues still? I am considering the Samsung Moment because if its anything like the Droid by Motorola then I'm sold... but that's a question no one seems to be able to know.

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I was thinking about getting a Moment till I played with one in the store for a while and that changed my mind but thats just me.

There is a sub forum on the Moment,

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=127

as for the TP2 it is going to feel pretty close to the TP OS wise. It's got its quark's just like any WM Phone does. Some people seem to have issues with Pic and MMS, Personally I really have never had to many issues with it. just my thoughts.

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I like the bigger screen, but don't like the fact I lost the flash. If I had time to play with the TP2 before upgrading, I would have kept my TP till the HTC Desire comes to USCC next month.

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than the TP1??? well theres not really anything a TP2 can do that a TP1 cant... but build wise, the TP2 is superior in every aspect.. its a solid device, doesnt feel janky at all.. play with it for 2 days and your TP1 will feel like a little kids toy seriously.. and the screen OMG, put a TP1 next to a TP2 and the screen on TP2 is almost the enitre size of a TP1 outer casing and all... i still have active TP1s but My 2 is my main phone.. so anytime i use them for anything but tethering, it feels so tiny and breakable...

for $199 now, you cant go wrong... but an EVOs only 199 as well ;)

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We should really be able to get touch pro 2 for less than $199 considering the obsolete HW

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i wouldn't call it obsolete just yet. lol.

its still the best phone you can get with a keyboard and windows on sprint.
the imagio on verizon is nice but the keys suck.

yes the EVO and Incredible are nice but I am not getting an EVO right away simply because I don't know when 4g is coming to my area. if they didn't charge extra for it I would have ordered it already.

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Obsolete HW compare to Evo.

Software and plans are another story

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True but lets get back on topic. the op is asking about the tp2 vs tp1.
I actually JUST got my tp2 in exchange for my tp1 so I guess I can speak a little to this since I was using a tp1 for awhile after I left VZW and the Imagio.

The build of the TP2 is what makes it so much better then the TP1. The keyboard is solid and almost a pleasure to type on. The screen is much bigger and makes it easy to read emails and web pages unlike the TP1s tiny screen. It also does not overheat when streaming or tethering like the TP1.

the only downside is its size and weight. it really isn't too bad but it is heavier and bigger then the TP1.

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use one for a week and compare it to a touch pro, you wont be calling it obsolete

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oh and the battery life is MUCH better on the TP2. TP1s battery sucks.

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Key points for me are:

1. 5row keyboard - Reviews rated pretty high
2. larger wqva screen - brilliant
3. windows mobile possibilities are almost endless.
4. future of dual/tri/booting of linux-based OS i.e Andriod
5. New Sense UI developments
6. Hardware wise its just solid
7. etc
8. etc

Wirelessly posted (Sprint TP2 6.5 stock: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 8.12; MSIEMobile6.0) Sprint T7380)

i.m.o. the tp2 is a better device hands down. theres pros & cons like any other thing in the world. i thought i did enough research b4 jumping into the world of a windows mobile based device in the first place with tp1 & never seen info on the fact it didnt come out of the box user friendly & required massive amounts of tweaks .. but is what it is & i like the fact i can change sht up on looks n all. just wish it rran smoother & faster. but tp2 is def better

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the real downside is, winMO is done... there will be no more offical anything as far as releases go...6.5 is over(minus maybe a new handset or 2) as far as their concerned... but they want win phone 7...

so its like buying a a car that runs on leaded gas right b4 the switch to unleaded gas

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I've been on my TP2 for about 6 months and there really isn't anything that I miss about my TP1. Battery life was horrible. Camera was horrible. Overheating was horrible. Pretty much just a horrible phone when I compare it to what I have now. TP2 does have it's quirks out of the box but they're all small and can be dealt with or ignored rather easily.

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I like this phone but I have 3 peeves

1) No flash
2) No D-pad, select button
3) Virtually the same friggin hardware

Wirelessly posted (Sprint TP2 6.5 stock: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 8.12; MSIEMobile6.0) Sprint T7380)

i need a d-pad in my life. im so tired of accidental clicking while scrolling & ive tried different settings

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You can hold your finger/stylus on the link for about a second, but not long enough for the select text prompt to come up. Should do the trick.

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I just upgraded from a TP1 to a TP2 (was looking at the Moment and Hero but sprint wanted me to upgrade my data plan -which I'm glad I decided not to do) and I must say that I am VERY happy with my TP2.
Compared to the original TP, the screen besides being larger is much brighter. I love the keyboard, especially the softer touch keys which work better with my large fingers.
Overall, it seems much more responsive and most importantly, battery life is significantly better than on the TP. I used to carry a spare battery with my TP and switch out halfway through the day. The TP2 will give me at least 2 days of solid use.
And fiannly, there is still a market out there for your TP. Buy the TP2 and subsidize your purchase by selling your TP1.

Why didn't I go with the Moment Hero or EVO? I don't think its right for Sprint to charge a premium to use the Android phones. Why pay 10 to 30.00 more a month for an "everything package" when I already have an unlimited data plan. and finally, I have a lot of $ in Winmo programs so I really couldn't justify going with another platform and then have to spend more money replacing my programs that I use frequently.

David

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I'm surprised you've having that problem on a TP2. The TP was horrible in that regard, but even in Outlook, which used to be the worst, I don't think I've ever mis-clicked when I meant to scroll with the TP2. There are definite improvements there. Try scrolling more with the pad of your finger instead of the tip. Then use the tip of your finger for selecting.

I got this tip from someone else here but you can use the keyboard controller to map vol-up/vol-down to up/down arrows in Outlook, for example, so you can quickly scroll around in your message list and delete specific items using the left softkey when the message is selected. Also, you can quickly bring up the context menu for a message (to delete, reply, forward, move, etc.) by clicking the message icon on the far left side of the screen within the message list (as opposed to tapping the subject text, which opens the message). I don't recall the TP being able to do that. Clearly that's an outlook thing and not a hardware thing, but it is something I noticed with the TP2 that I don't remember with the TP. Maybe I just never RTFM or tried it, though.

TP vs TP2 seems "meh" on paper but in reality it's like night and day to me. It's just a massive improvement. And the TP2 keyboard FTW.

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I agree with you on the lack of a camera flash...I also miss the "flashlight" as well.

David

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Actually, it's nothing like that at all.

If you want a car analogy, it's like buying a car with a manual transmission as models with CVT are coming out.

CVT has been anointed The Next Big Thing (tm), but that claim is questionable at best, and in sticking with the manual, you're not really losing anything and in fact you're gaining quite a bit, and you're free to use your manual automobile until the end of time.

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OK so all in all the TP2 is worth buying... Also i have to note that i will be buying this phone out of contract because i am not the main line in my service contract and am not eligible for an upgrade so I will have to pay fuill price or ebay whatever phone i get. I am a full time student and have my phone line paid for unless i am to get C's or lower so i am fortunate that i do not have to pay for service myself. I really want a new phone because the HTC TP i had just stopped turning on and i don't have insurance on it and its the 3rd one and last i will own as far as the TP is concerned, and this BB i am currently on just pisses me off and i am sick of it. I am really torn as to if i should get the TP2 or the Samsung Moment because i really like the way the Motorola Droid works but the moment isn't an exact replica as far as software and UI but does have the apps feature i like and could benefit from. I also dont really want to pay $600 for a new EVO and not come with a pull out KB. I don't feel as if an all touch screen phone is for me because even though i own and iPod touch it really gets old using the whole touchscreen 24/7 and my big fingers push too many things at once. I just don't want to get a phone and absolutely hate it because it doesn't do anything i want or do what it is supposed to. I kinda am leaning towards the Moment for the simple fact its similar to the iPhone without the being 'limited' part so-to-speak. I want a phone that works well in doing basic phone tasks and doesn't take forever like MMS and SMS but cant handle applications that i need to use that only a smart phone can give me. Its hard to make a decision on which phone i should really go for.

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This! Higher screen res is great, more spaced out kb is awesome (minus loss of ctrl key but keyboard config makes up for this nicely) but the battery life is amazing compared to the TP1. I got to the point where I had to charge my TP1 daily (every 8 hrs or so) with little use and unless I missed something you couldn't get third party batteries and charge them in the phone. With the TP2 I've been able to last 2 days without a charge on medium use. I went on a trip that used to kill my TP1 battery in 4-6 hrs because it'd jump between roaming/1x/evdo over and over all day and my TP2 batt was at 70% after 8 hours.

Maybe one option will be to wait for June 6th. I know you don't want to get an EVO but the people who do are likely going to be selling their phones and perhaps you can snag a TP2 for cheap. :)