Do you bother hard reseting after Flash?
 

Doesn't seem to make a bit of difference.

I think in the past it may have cleaned up some holes that have since been cleaned up.

Do you still bother to hard reset after it's all done?

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I don't, but i wish i would have before loading up my phone with all my goodies. It seems as though im getting slower than par internet access. A hard reset may have cleared this up.

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i do...and highly recommend everyone doing it.

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I bet I have flashed over 100 times & never once hard reset after the flash. My systems run perfectly, a flash IS a hard reset (it's like formatting a computer hard drive).

~John

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say what, your always posting something is wrong with your rom. i finially saw your phone is perfect now but thats not usually the case from what i read. not saying hardreset will fix your problems but cant hurt.

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I do if I remember to. I really have never noticed a difference if I do or don't though.

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i do it twice....even when i got it out the box...

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i do, my wife dont, she always has less problems then me (cause she dont laod as much but still) although I believe it does, hers always performs well without it....

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When I've flashed I've hard reset and not hard reset, and the results are noticeable. The ROM will run much faster and bug free with a hard reset than without one.

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I do it just in case. No harm in it!

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ALWAYS!!!!!There is a difference, ecspecially if you like to load up on the cabs and whatnot......

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nope and havent had any slow downs or problems.

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Depends. 50/50

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I hard reset after all of my flashes. It only takes 5-10 minutes so why not just go ahead and be on the safe side!

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not sure if it makes a difference of not, but i always hard reset after flash just because there's no reason not to. i just do the 3-finger (plus stylus) salute immediately after flash... takes no extra time

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i don't...

how would people know if it runs faster or not? maybe the new rom you just flashed to is just better.... i would like more opinions from people who actually know what they're talking about. there has to be a way to actually tell if there's a difference if in fact that is the case. until then, it seems like people do it because they heard it helps. That kind of influence can play mind games and make things seem smoother. people even say to do it on a stock rom, which seems silly to me. my tp2 stock rom was the fastest/most stable rom i've ever used. i only flash custom because i'm sick of 6.1 and i want m.2.5

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this is true.
like i said, though, the only reason i do is because there's no reason not to. you don't even waste any time if you do it the way i said above

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Precisely. Has anyone ever seen a logical/factual explanation of the rationale behind doing a hard reset (or two) after flashing a rom? I sure haven't.

The point of a hard reset is to restore the phone and take it back to the state it was in when it was first flashed. This means that hard reset = same as when you flash a new rom.

It's pure superstition. It's like hanging a rosary from your rear view mirror.

If you know something I don't... please, by all means... prove me wrong.

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Well I can say I hard reset 2x after a flash. First, the manual way then the clear storage way. Don't know why......kinda like when I play baseball (play in NABA) and when I am pitching I blow bubbles. Maybe just for comfort or relaxation, but I do it. I feel better after the resets. Plus like strra said, right after a flash when the phone is resetting you do a hard reset, it actually takes no time......but the second one does.

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The kind of problems I post would not have gone away with another hard reset. I like to install cutting edge apps/ROM's etc & troubleshooting always goes along with that. Just out of curiousity, name a problem I have had that wouldn't have occured if I had hard reset again??

The only thing that was a real PITA lately was getting MMS to work right in a manila 2.5 ROM & NOBODY could get that working at the time.

When we finally realized what the fixes where (changing Arcsoft settings etc), you could have hard reset 100 times in a row & it wouldn't have changed anything.

~John

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We've had this discussion before & last time one of the most well know ROM builders on this site said exactly the same thing I'm saying.

Sure, it can't HURT to hard reset 12 times in a row & I've tried it once or twice out of curiousity (& never saw any difference at all & I load my systems to the maz with apps/programs etc) but I usually don't bother.

~John

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Always, and sometimes twice. HR>flash to stock first>HR>flash new rom>HR. But I'm a perfectionist. I do believe it can't hurt and could help. It seems when I don't do it this way I have had certain issues, but not sure if thats related to the HR flashing process. I will continue to do it this way. Doesn't take much extra time and I want the best chance for success.

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I always HR after flashing. If the Chef says to HR and it obviously only adds about a minute to setting everything up, I don't see what harm it does, and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

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IF the rom's have the same drivers and services, than it won't matter much.
also the wm6.5 kernel has a bit extra memory for such things and should be less prone to the issue.
the issue; drivers/ect.. get loaded into slots of memory. if they get loaded into certain slots they can survive a flash.

I'm not sure if this is an issue when flashing via bootloader or SDcard, but certainly can be when flashing via active sync since the phone is fully booted.

side note; to get a full flash from a carrier rom (rom/radio/prl-pri) you have to flash via activesync.


edit; just realized this was a tp2 thread, and it's entirely possible cmonex and the team or even htc fixed this on the bootloader for the TP2.

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I think this post is an example of not hard-resetting after a flashing a updated rom.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=100211

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I'm an IT Engineer. Flashing a ROM IS MORE than hard resetting a device! It wipes out the WHOLE THING! ROM AND RAM! You CAN'T Hard Reset any more than THAT! If that's your ritual, than go ahead. You may like to do stomach crunches while listening to Boston's "More Than a Feeling" while your phone is flashing. It has no effect on the phone whatsoever, but if THAT's your ritual, go ahead.

Some people like 5 O'Clock traffic too I guess so they can get caught up on their cursing perhaps.

My point is, flashing a ROM is BEYOND Hard Resetting! If you hard reset it 10 more times, it will have NO effect on the performance of the phone!

That's factual! The rest is superstition and ritual.

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A voice of reason, I've been saying the same thing.......

~John

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well, half say yes, half say no, my other half dont, I do, she never has any problems.... So who knows,

I personaly right after it flashes, and reboots, I pull the battery and manually hard reset...... I dont wait for the 10 min. set up to press 1234 on clear storage........

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I have seen it happen. when I used to be a kitchen and flash junky in the mogul days, I witnessed several times when drivers and control panels were left over from the previous rom.

really I could care less what people do, but really it comes down to how prepared you are. if you have a good backup/restore plan than who cares if you have to hard-reset if a problem does crop up. if you don't, then you best take the extra 4 minutes for an extra hard reset after flash and not have to worry/wonder.

edit; actually I suppose it could have been an issue with ppckitchen, as thats what I was using.

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as i said, dont think hardreset would fix your problems.

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Never hard reset. Never have problems.

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I've read on a couple of the ROM threads, by the Thread leaders (http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...64&postcount=5) that there is some residue left over after the flash that a hard reset cleans up. I see many posts by people who show themselves to be much more 'expert' than me, that recommend the hard reset after flashing. I take their word for it and hard reset after a flash.

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Thanks for the nice link, but I am far from a "Thread Leader"

I do however know a bit about phones as I am an old user of WinMo (winmo 2003)

That being said, let me shed a little bit of light on this.

1) A Hard reset and clear storage are NOT the same thing.
2) Flashing OVERWRITES anything that is assigned to that area - THIS anology is flawed but should illustrate my point. Think of like a parking lot. The old cars take up slots 1- 42 arranged in a area of 7 * 7. The crusher comes (i.e. a new rom) but it takes up less space. So it overwrites everything, but only puts a new image in 1- 36 in a 6 * 6. So even though you erased the extra, nothing is overwriting it. And anyone who works with computers knows that if you format a HDD I can still retrive data off of it as long as you didn't overwrite with data. In fact, the more secure wipes overwrite it with junk "data".
3) Clear Storage then overwrites it again. In fact, it does a better job then flashing the rom.
4) Reflashing the rom on top of itself seems to help, but no real data has surfaced.
5) (speculation) reflashing stock helps the most because the stock rom is so HUGE and overwrites with data everywhere.

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wanted to note that at least some of the shipped roms have 'everything' in them (rom, radio, prl, pri, and possibly some areas of epst) meaning a complete set is loaded. (also this is only with activesync(wmdc) flashing)
which reminds me, "clear storage" will default all epst settings, requiring re-provisioning.

thanks for explaining all that better than I was willing.