hard spl unlock not working on my replaced phone...

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by cmonex

nah, XDA doesn't approve of warez. though, I don't think PPCgeeks does, either.

Please tell me how it is considered warez when someone tweaks your SPL, but it is not considered warez when you tweak HTC's SPL? I'm having a hard time understanding this. It's totally okay for you to take someone else's app, tweak it to suit your needs, and then license it like it's your own. But you call it warez if someone else does the exact same thing to the very app that you ended up with?

[theroyalwe]

I just have to say thanks... they got back to me last night... less than 24 hours is a good turnaround time IMO. I've been using flashed roms since my Diamond I got last Sept and this was the first time I wasn't able to just unlock.

I get what they are trying to do - there is no reason that someone should be making money off of their work except them.

Maybe there are some problems with the verification system... but I imagine most are related to being impatient (I get it, I'm incredibly impatient and spent an hour yesterday trying to find a workaround). Also if you put in a support request make sure you put your IMEI or whatever it's called in the request. I'm sure many of us had flashed our TP1 and then when we got upgraded to a TP2 we'll have to get this corrected for us. My suggestion is to just bite the bullet and ask them to let you unlock your phone. If you are too impatient for that, just pay the $5 and move on.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by theroyalwe

I get what they are trying to do - there is no reason that someone should be making money off of their work except them.

You mean HTC's work. I'm not discounting what the they did to make this HSPL, don;t get me wrong. But in the end, it's HTC's work. These guys just tweaked some HTC software and licensed it as their own. That RUU that runs- HTC's. The actual SPL that is put on? HTC's (tweaked, but still originally written by HTC).

So if you are saying nobody shuold be making money off of their work but them, then I think you mean HTC. Nobody else has any right to charge us for some HTC software that we have technically already paid for anyway.

Asking for donations is fine. I have no problem with that. But requiring a donation, and putting all kinds of copywrite protections on a supposedly free app (that they don't even technically own anyway) is not cool.

And it's even worse when they call it "warez" if someone else does the exact same thing to them that they did to HTC.

Still waiting for them to explain to me why it's considered "warez" if someone tweaks this app and reposts it, yet it's not considered warez when they tweaked HTC's app and posted it (and even charged money for it).

And while we're at it- why is it okay for them to ignore all of the laws ont his matter and simply tell customers "don't use it if you don't like our illegal policies." There are all kinds of consumer protection laws that govern the way business is done. They have thrown all of that out the window, and simply said, "don't use it if you don't like it." OS on the one hand, they want to be treated like a real company (requiring us to pay) but on the other hand, they don't want to deliver like a real company (following the laws). You can't have it both ways...

[theroyalwe]

you absolutely ARE discounting the work they did to make the hardspl.

the point is that they put the work into modifying the software to make the unlocker. Those that shouldn't make a profit are companies or people that charge to unlock devices for people... if they want to do it then they should make their own unlocker. Otherwise they should pay at least some of what they make to those that did do the work.

As for 'warez'... technically what they did is probably warez too... if someone else makes an unlocker that doesn't have a verification then I don't see a problem with that. The only way it should be taken down is if someone just took their code and removed the verification portion. If someone modifies the HTC code and makes a new unlocker then there isn't any problem here...

I'm sure they don't want someone to do that, but I don't see any way they could really prevent it if the other party isn't using their code.

again I think the point here is that if you're using it for your personal devices you have nothing to worry about... if it stops you in verification they make it so it will work with minimal effort required on your part.

If someone has such a problem with the verification then make your own hardspl, start a thread and put it up. If it gets removed then you need to make your argument with the mods, not these guys.

[CozBoogie]

I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is. I understand the OP's initial question...but then y'all sunk way down into the weeds and are just being silly.

If you've been around here for the last couple months then you undoubtedly remember other threads that addressed the unlocker and the work of cmonex.

I don't know how else to say this....but y'all need to chill out!

If you are concerned that information is being collected in the background without your consent or without being disclosed then do not use the unlocker. Keep in mind though that the expectation of privacy in this day and age (especially on the internet) is pretty much a joke. I'll be looking up everyone's IP addresses and posting them here shortly so that others can do evil things with them. I also have access to your email addresses and, through a recently installed hack, can actually remotely turn on your webcam if you have one hooked to your pc/laptop.

There are a couple of options available to everyone and advice offered below. Where appropriate I give credit to the original author:

1. Write your own unlocker (rainfreak).
2. Use the unlocker provided by cmonex.
3. Get someone else to write an unlocker for you (rainfreak).
4. Don't unlock your phone.
5. Stop complaining about the hard work that others are doing for you.
6. Sell your TP2s and buy Nokia n900s (schettj).
7. PEBKAC error (MordyT).
8. You're thinking with the little head and not the big head.
9. Pay more attention to your wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend and less attention to your phone.
10. Get an iPhone.

late,
Coz

[HBOOT]

All is good except for numero 10,nomsayin

[ACHlLLES]

Back on the topic.

Why did people pay the 5.12 again? They simply coudn't wait 24 hours after their request or the unlocker team just decided to start reply again?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by theroyalwe

you absolutely ARE discounting the work they did to make the hardspl.

the point is that they put the work into modifying the software to make the unlocker. Those that shouldn't make a profit are companies or people that charge to unlock devices for people... if they want to do it then they should make their own unlocker. Otherwise they should pay at least some of what they make to those that did do the work.

I agree that no companies should be out there making a profit off of someone else's code. Now, can someone please explain to me how these guys are any different? They are making a profit off of HTC's hard work, and HTC's code. I understand they put in a lot of work to tweak HTC's code. But at the end of the day, it is still HTC's code, and HTC put a lot more work into it than they did. It is extremely hypocritical to say that it's okay for them to sell HTC's code as their own, simply because they tweaked it, and turn around and call it warez if anyone else tweaks it. They did not make this hard SPL "unlocker" or whatever you want to call it from scratch. They simply took HTC's code, tweaked it, and then put protections on it so nobody could use it without their permission. So I am not diswcounting what they did. I'm appreciative of what they did. I am just not understanding why it's okay for them to do it but it's considered warez if anyone else does. And I'm also not understanding where they have a right to charge for it.

Originally Posted by theroyalwe

As for 'warez'... technically what they did is probably warez too... if someone else makes an unlocker that doesn't have a verification then I don't see a problem with that. The only way it should be taken down is if someone just took their code and removed the verification portion. If someone modifies the HTC code and makes a new unlocker then there isn't any problem here...

Why should it be taken down if someone removes the verification? Again, this is not "their" code. It is HTC's code, and they "tweaked" it, then added a verification to it. Ironically, the "tweak" they did to HTC's code in a nutshell removes the "verification" process. Their SPL basically does the same thing as HTC's only it doesn't verify that the ROM is a signed and official ROM. Do you see the irony here? It's totally okay for them to remove HTC's ROM verification process, and then add their own app verification process to HTC's software. But it's considered warez if someone then removes their app verification process from HTC's hacked software?

Originally Posted by theroyalwe

I'm sure they don't want someone to do that, but I don't see any way they could really prevent it if the other party isn't using their code.

Again, this isn't "their" code here. This is HTC's app, tweaked by them. That is why they are requiring a "donation" instead of just flat out charging everyone. Even though there is really no difference whatsoever in the end...

Originally Posted by theroyalwe

again I think the point here is that if you're using it for your personal devices you have nothing to worry about... if it stops you in verification they make it so it will work with minimal effort required on your part.

Where do you draw the line though? If you have 5 lines on a family plan, that is not commercial but will they see it that way? And what makes it okay for them to use HTC's code commercially anyway, especially if they have a problem with anyone else doing the exact same thing.

Originally Posted by theroyalwe

If someone has such a problem with the verification then make your own hardspl, start a thread and put it up. If it gets removed then you need to make your argument with the mods, not these guys.

The problem is, someone else already posted an unlocked version and it was removed. And cmonex just told me it would be considered warez and removed if anyone else did it again. So I am left to assume that these guys have the mods in check. For some reason the mods agree that it would be warez.

Let me ask you this- why would anyone else take the time to work on a hspl when the mods have already permanently removed the unlocked one that was posted here? And now we have cmonex coming into this thread announcing that it would be considered warez and removed again- why would anyone even bother?

Having said all of that- I did pay for mine. Even though I am a residential customer, I still paid- twice.

[O'Neil Mitchell]

Originally Posted by cmonex

again to you. the ticket you sent under name of O'Neil Mitchell, was sent 7th December 1:14 PM (not sure what timezone the site displays), I replied 8th December 4:12 AM while on holiday.
impatience...

As soon as Telus gets around give me my new Pro2, I will be sending you the required information. I never thought when I joined this site years ago, that I would have to engaged in Cloak and Dagger activities to get an Unlocker to free me from the man!

And just so everone is clear, I am not a commercial user. Like most of us, we have friends or family who also have a Pro2, and they are not as geeky as I am

[MinLo]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

I agree that no companies should be out there making a profit off of someone else's code. Now, can someone please explain to me how these guys are any different? They are making a profit off of HTC's hard work, and HTC's code. I understand they put in a lot of work to tweak HTC's code. But at the end of the day, it is still HTC's code, and HTC put a lot more work into it than they did. It is extremely hypocritical to say that it's okay for them to sell HTC's code as their own, simply because they tweaked it, and turn around and call it warez if anyone else tweaks it. They did not make this hard SPL "unlocker" or whatever you want to call it from scratch. They simply took HTC's code, tweaked it, and then put protections on it so nobody could use it without their permission. So I am not diswcounting what they did. I'm appreciative of what they did. I am just not understanding why it's okay for them to do it but it's considered warez if anyone else does. And I'm also not understanding where they have a right to charge for it.

Call HTC or your carrier and see if they will unlock your phone so you can flash whatever rom you would like too put on your TP2.....

HTC and your carrier put work in to make it so you couldn't have that ability, so I'm sure what their response will be.....

Briefly reading you sig link, you should know this!

HTC didn't put any work into giving you the ability to flash custom roms and Cmonex/Oil did....
The unlocker is their creation made from scratch....

If someone adjust the software that Cmonex/Oil made, the unlocker, then it would and should be considered warez...
Now if someone starts from scratch and makes their own software to unlock the phone, so be it, but I havn't seen anybody accomplish this yet....

Cmonex isn't selling HTC's code...
Cmonex made something to break the Carrier's/HTC's lock on your ability to do things that HTC?carriers's didn't want you to have the ability to do ......
Cmonex/Oil are offering two unlocks for free per person(upgraded last night I believe), and if there is a legit reason they will allow the unlocker to unlock it additional times....

If they don't have it setup the way they do now then others will take the Cmonex/Oil work and profit from commercially unlocking TP2's....
It has been done on prior devices with Cmonex/Oil unlocker's before....

It has already been stated that here or in the official unlock thread that a 3rd party phone dealer is already doing this....
Except the 3rd party dealer wasn't giving away anything free but was charging per unlock....

YOU ARE DISCOUNTING WHAT THEY DID and at the same time being pretty disrespectful IMO

If what they did was a simple tweak why haven't you produced one yet?
Why hasn't anyone else created one?

As far as profit I guess it depends on how you value your time and hard work....
If after spending 3 weeks creating something and you receive $1 and you consider that profit, I need to hire you to help with the kids around my house.....

I don't think we see Cmonex/Oil on any magazine's top 1000 richest ppl list anytime soon because they created a TP2 unlocker

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Where do you draw the line though? If you have 5 lines on a family plan, that is not commercial but will they see it that way? And what makes it okay for them to use HTC's code commercially anyway, especially if they have a problem with anyone else doing the exact same thing.

5 lines with all TP2's? Sounds commercial to me unless your buying 14yr old Susie and 10 yr old Timmy a TP2 and somehow he's wants to flash it....

Seems like your just trying to push the envelope but in that case maybe you should donate since their unlocker is gonna be a huge favor to your family.....

Even in the case that your family plan is shared by friends rather than actual family the bill for the phones would come to $1000 in phones with Verizon being the cheapest, all the other US carriers the total would be $1750....
Donating $25 to unlock the all of your 5 lines and your complaining after purchasing $1000 worth of phones that came locked, hmmmmmmmmmm......
Those five people bought $1000 in phones but are complaining that donating .025% of the purchase price is too much to ask....ROFL

With that being said I guess that all of the cooks here don't deserve any donations at all for their creations either RIGHT?

Since all the cooks are doing is taking HTC's and Microsoft work and tweaking it right?

That you should just get what you want for free without any consideration that people actually did more than clink on a link and download the file to make roms/unlocking/themes possible.....

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

The problem is, someone else already posted an unlocked version and it was removed. And cmonex just told me it would be considered warez and removed if anyone else did it again. So I am left to assume that these guys have the mods in check. For some reason the mods agree that it would be warez.

If someone took anybodies work here and changed it without the softwares authors' permission then yes it would be a big NONO.....
I wouldn't use the term warez but rather it would be stealing....

I know your gonna restate that they tweaked HTC's source code but I didn't get an unlocker preinstalled on my TP2, DID YOU????

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Let me ask you this- why would anyone else take the time to work on a hspl when the mods have already permanently removed the unlocked one that was posted here? And now we have cmonex coming into this thread announcing that it would be considered warez and removed again- why would anyone even bother?

Nobody has stepped up to make an unlocker because it isn't as easy you think it is....
If someone made an unlocker without using/stealing cmonex's/oil's program I would think it would be fine....
If PPCGEEK's didn't like that there was a free unlocker available, the free unlocker author is more than welcome to take it to another site or create their own site......

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Having said all of that- I did pay for mine. Even though I am a residential customer, I still paid- twice.

Cmonex/Oil I'm sure appreciated your donation.....
If you would have had patience to wait you wouldn't of had to donate.....

Not to be a grammar nazi but you wouldn't be a residential customer you would of used the unlocker for your own private use....

I make spelling/grammar mistakes here all the time so not trying to be mean but I wanted to clarify .....


Last but not least why isn't this topic closed?????
I thought for sure you were gonna shut this puppy down Coz!!!