whats your RAM?
 

After a soft-reset, with all your today screen plugins etc. loaded and no other applications open, how much RAM do you have available? I've been pretty ticked with constantly having to manage it and I'm curious what you guys end up with.

22.5 megs

22.21 mb

19.77 MB

25.08mb - but thats with only one non-standard home plugin, agile messenger, and its just reading 'agile messenger stopped'. htc x-button also running

24.55MB

After soft reset, 25 ... sometimes 23, depends on how the phone feels i guess.

with weatherpanel, spb shell, and phonealarm lite. 22-23.

i recently bought pocketbreeze. that dropped my ram down to like 16-17. so i got rid of that.

17.80-18.04 MB Free

Its fluctuating as i type, which is weird :?

theres nothing running at the moment, and ive been playing music on it all day and typing stuff up on the notepad, not to mention several syncing sessions

activesync isn't a very nice app to your memory, so I'd guess that's why its fluctuating right now.

on a soft reset mine ranges from 19-25mb. i hope something happens with a software update. how sweet would it be for an update to let us adjust ram/storage like on 2003ce. even if it was limited to a max of 128mb ram it would be great

22-25 depends on the phone at the time

19-22 depending on how I have it set up.

18-21. I think what is more important is the fact that I have not soft reset in a day with PocketBreeze, WeatherPanel, PhoneWeaver, and iLauncher running on the today screen and SPB Insight running in the back ground I have 11 MB...

I just did a soft reset and mine shows I'm using 29.33MB/47.42MB

I do have the HTC and Spb home screen plugins loaded along with one that tracks/shows my plan usage and the HTC X-Button. I also have SDialer loaded and, of course, ActiveSync. I can't think of anything else that might be loaded.

20-21mb with the 6tab Kaiser home pluggin, and pbreeze running...

After a soft-reset, I'm showing 23-25mb free. That's with iLauncher, HTC X-button and Vista Battery Gauge running.

LOL, that won't happen.

The only reason that slider bar existed in 2003 is because all memory was based on RAM in the older devices- there was no REAL storage memory.

An older device, such as the original ipaq 3600 series, had 64mb of SHARED memory- RAM and Storage. That meant that if you installed 45mb of apps and files (they didn't even have storage cards on the original devices), you were left with only 15mb to actually RUN anything.
Palm Pilots were the same way back then. The biggest disadvantage of doing it this way was then when your battery ran out, so did all your storage!

Later 2003 devices added some dedicated internal storage (seperate from the main storage which was still ram), so that you could store things that would survive a battery outage, and often even a hard reset.

WM5 introduced the end of shared memory for WM, and now we have dedicated EPROM chips for storage and RAM that is independant.
So, that's why the slider is not available anymore. You don't have 128mb of RAM available in the mogul... only storage memory (slightly slower but more reliable than RAM in the long run).

Hope that clears things up!

Now, why the available memory on the mogul is so erratic is a mystery to me as well...

And why there are such huge memory leaks on the phone. I leave the phone off for 18 hours and I'm short at least 5MB that nothing short of a soft-reset will get back (and yes, I've made sure there's no programs open and used programs to 'free' used memory).

This is getting kinda annoying if i dont turn it off and back on every day i t goes to 14 mb free with NOTHING open

Yeah i was in opera almost all night at work yesturday had to soft reset 2x it would hit a low of 2mb and like a high of 5 or 6 i think it was.

i was playing with my storage card at work to see something, was j.w. is it normal when you add or remove the storage card for the ram to fluctuate? if i pulled it out it would rase some, and if i would insert it back in it would lower the same amount give or take.

hmm, not to wonder off subject, but with this being wm6 and all, i was thinking, what about that instant ram feature thats on vista?

if im correct, theres usually about ten percent of any storage memory that works as instant access? is that right? can we use that?

heres an article about it

wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Superfetch#SuperFetch

21.47

The device needs to run a driver of sort to read what's on the card, so that's why your memory pops up and down when you remove/install the card.

16.89 w/nothing currently running (all apps closed)

Today ive been playing with youtube videos on tcpmp (ithink), using pie, using various remote desktop programs (currently trying to get m$ remote desktop to run), writing some notes, using piscel browser, and playing music with audio manager

its about time for a reset, itd be great if i didnt have to ever reset, but i'll take that as a cost for having the ability to do so much

The memory "leak" thing is nothing more than a cache "optimization" in place to make the device respond snappier.
Whether it succeeds or not is another story altogether...

Basically, like any cache, it stores recent calculations for faster response later. For example, if you open and close IE alot, you might notice that the first time you open it on a fresh restart takes a little bit longer than the next times- that's because the second time you start it up, parts of it are still in memory from the first time!

You might be wondering why this happens even after forcing it closed with Xbutton or the memory settings. That's because the info stored in the performance cache aren't directly related to any one program! Many apps can use the same routines and calculations, and therefore this process exists on a processor/file system layer as opposed to a software layer, and therefore also exists even when all programs are closed!

Meaning, if I have mapopolis that uses a certain routine to access my BT GPS receiver, even after I close it, some of that routine stays in memory because perhaps Google Maps will use the same routine, and therefore respond faster!

Now, ideally, this should speed up performance, and it SHOULD disappear on its own if the memory is needed and the information goes "stale" (hasn't been processed in a while = not really needed for optimized perfomance). However, one look at the way Microsoft handles "automatically closing apps" (native X button, anyone?) is enough to know that WM can't manage its own memory very well.
I can, however, vouch for the fact that the longer you leave all programs closed, the more of your memory starts to creep back into available. I've sat and watched this happen. So, it sort of works, but perhaps not well enough if people are having low memory system crash problems.

Now, before you all start blaming MS for this... Its not Microsoft's problem. They developed CE-5 (which WM6 is based on) on machines limited to 32MB to make sure the programmers didn't get lazy with OS bloat.
Its the manufacturers who add all this file system optimization and stuff to their final device. In this case, its the way HTC thinks the system should run, which is why this anomaly is NOT as apparent on, say, a WM Treo device.

The good news is that if we complain enough, HTC might realize this optimization does more bad than good, and leave it out on the next ROM update for us.
However, truth be told, I think it works. The Mogul is one of the snappiest PPC's I've used of late, although I can't say for sure if its because of the cache or not.
This is just my personal opinion, so don't flog me! I just don't look at the memory useage anymore unless I'm having a problem, which mind you, I hardly do.
My most recent observations were this:
Soft reset gives me ~21MB (got some htc plugins), and after a day of use, making sure to leave everything closed, I get 18-19MB. At lowest, I hit 10MB after closing alot of apps. This memory usually comes back to 18-19mb in a matter of time for me. If for some strange reason it doesn't (can't say how often this happens), I soft reset.
All in all, I'm happy with the Mogul.

I agree "dishe", I get around 22-23mb after a soft reset and I have SPB Pocket Plus and Weatherpanel running along with the regular stuff: calendar and messaging. I am very happy with the device and even though the memory will drop to 18mb (give or take a mb here or there) it doesn't seem to slow the device down at all. I love my Mogul!!!

I updated to a newly released rom for us on Telus.

I was running WM5, wound up with around 22mb free at any given time.

Since updating, my reboots are atleast 30 seconds faster, and overall the unit is snappier then with wm5.

This is a night an day difference in responce and recovery time compared to the older OS.
I just did theis yesterday morning and couldnt be happier, ok maybe i could but this was a nice suprise in my Mogul from the update.

(This is the way it should have been released.)

edited to add: i have around 23-26 mb at any given time now with wm6.

Just curious, but what do you have installed on your device now?